Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

happy9 said:
You like to put words in people's mouths. I didn't say droves, and I didn't say taking over our country. But if you are telling me that what's happening in places like oakland, portland, seattle isn't people displaying their hate for our values as a country, you are lost. Peaceful protest is one thing and rightfully protected. As controversial as flag burning is, have at it, it's protected speech. We can have dialogue and it can be heated. Unfortunately what's happened is the hijacking of a worthy cause by a group of people that truly cannot relate to America as a whole.
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"displaying hate for our values as a country." Not necessarily. Wanting social change or change in general does not mean it is contrary to our values. In their eyes they just want to make America better. Now, is it contrary to how YOU see America's value system, yes. But by the same token they can say YOU are displaying hate for America's values by not supporting "equality" (as they define it) or social justice, etc.

Remember, wearing a flag pin on your lapel or hoisting the American flag outside your home or in your pickup truck DOES NOT make you more patriotic than the person who doesn't.
 
The HB Dad said:
no further discussion from me. im a facts, not feelings guy.

I do suggest researching information on your own. its amazing what you can find out
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Be straight with me, I don't know what you mean, seriously. I gave you straight answers. When I stated stuff was irrelevant it was only because it didn't pertain to the circumstances of the actual shooting. You didn't answer my questions and I really wanted to know what you think.
 
Justafan said:
Be straight with me, I don't know what you mean, seriously. I gave you straight answers. When I stated stuff was irrelevant it was only because it didn't pertain to the circumstances of the actual shooting. You didn't answer my questions and I really wanted to know what you think.
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What i think? i think we as a country are following influencers for likes, re-tweets and whatever new emoji comes along that gets people to blindly follow whatever is trending. I think its incredible that you defended jacob Blake without knowing the entire story.

Do i think the cops made a mistake? maybe. its possible. Not from the information i have found so far. If you have something else to share, please do!
 
Justafan said:
"displaying hate for our values as a country." Not necessarily. Wanting social change or change in general does not mean it is contrary to our values. In their eyes they just want to make America better. Now, is it contrary to how YOU see America's value system, yes. But by the same token they can say YOU are displaying hate for America's values by not supporting "equality" (as they define it) or social justice, etc.

Remember, wearing a flag pin on your lapel or hoisting the American flag outside your home or in your pickup truck DOES NOT make you more patriotic than the person who doesn't.
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Let's agree to disagree. I think chanting death to america, kill the police, etc goes against certain values that are ingrained in American society. And you are right, wearing a lapel pin and hoisting an american flag can be hollow, have seen that also. Fakers on both sides of the equation.

Peaceful protest and heated, intellectual discussion to affect social change is something completely different and well within the norms of most societies. If that breaks down and peaceful protests are met with violent oppression, then game on. Our constitution allows for that as well. The middle becomes gray and dangerous.
 
The HB Dad said:
What i think? i think we as a country are following influencers for likes, re-tweets and whatever new emoji comes along that gets people to blindly follow whatever is trending. I think its incredible that you defended jacob Blake without knowing the entire story.

Do i think the cops made a mistake? maybe. its possible. Not from the information i have found so far. If you have something else to share, please do!
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Cops are in a no win situation, especially right now. They are unable to subdue effectively(because their techniques are under scrutiny and it makes them more passive in their approach) then things quickly escalate out of their control. It's always been hard to be in law enforcement, now it's harder.

But anyway, the physical act of policing and what should be policed can be an entire discussion on its own.
 
The HB Dad said:
I think its incredible that you defended jacob Blake without knowing the entire story.

Do i think the cops made a mistake? maybe. its possible. Not from the information i have found so far. If you have something else to share, please do!
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Incredible? Not knowing the entire story? Were only talking about trying to effectuate an arrest. He's on the floor, he resists, has no weapons on him, gets tazed, still gets up, walks around the car, opens the door and gets shot. Simple. I just don't think there was need to shoot him under those circumstances.

And I say no need to shoot him and I'm going to give you two reasons. One, as a man, how the hell can you not handle that without shooting? Even T said they should have tackled him.

Legally, there are different rules for shooting "fleeing" suspects in the back. Of course the cop is going to say he was going for the alleged knife in the car. He'll probably win on that.

My bigger issue is with use of deadly force in general. Goes to the first reason I gave above. It's too easy, in my opinion, to use "legally justified" deadly force.
 
Justafan said:
Incredible? Not knowing the entire story? Were only talking about trying to effectuate an arrest. He's on the floor, he resists, has no weapons on him, gets tazed, still gets up, walks around the car, opens the door and gets shot. Simple. I just don't think there was need to shoot him under those circumstances.

And I say no need to shoot him and I'm going to give you two reasons. One, as a man, how the hell can you not handle that without shooting? Even T said they should have tackled him.

Legally, there are different rules for shooting "fleeing" suspects in the back. Of course the cop is going to say he was going for the alleged knife in the car. He'll probably win on that.

My bigger issue is with use of deadly force in general. Goes to the first reason I gave above. It's too easy, in my opinion, to use "legally justified" deadly force.
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difference of opinion i guess. If it was my daughter who called 911 about a man who put his finger in her and smelled it, I wouldnt be too concerned about his rights as a man.
 
Justafan said:
Incredible? Not knowing the entire story? Were only talking about trying to effectuate an arrest. He's on the floor, he resists, has no weapons on him, gets tazed, still gets up, walks around the car, opens the door and gets shot. Simple. I just don't think there was need to shoot him under those circumstances.

And I say no need to shoot him and I'm going to give you two reasons. One, as a man, how the hell can you not handle that without shooting? Even T said they should have tackled him.

Legally, there are different rules for shooting "fleeing" suspects in the back. Of course the cop is going to say he was going for the alleged knife in the car. He'll probably win on that.

My bigger issue is with use of deadly force in general. Goes to the first reason I gave above. It's too easy, in my opinion, to use "legally justified" deadly force.
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What were they supposed to do, run up from behind and put him in a chokehold? Oh wait... another, career criminal died that way by refusing arrest so I guess that's out. GTFOH. If deadly force is a problem, or physical force is a problem, put the blame where it belongs... the criminal that fought.
 
The HB Dad said:
difference of opinion i guess. If it was my daughter who called 911 about a man who put his finger in her and smelled it, I wouldnt be too concerned about his rights as a man.
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Don't move the goal posts, the issue was use of force in effectuating an arrest. Couldn't help yourself?

Are these facts, or allegations. Weren't you the one who said to wait for all the facts, then use critical thinking?
 
The Outlaw said:
What were they supposed to do, run up from behind and put him in a chokehold? Oh wait... another, career criminal died that way by refusing arrest so I guess that's out. GTFOH. If deadly force is a problem, or physical force is a problem, put the blame where it belongs... the criminal that fought.
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Well are they pussies or heroes?

You're right, they all had it coming. Rittenhouse was a criminal crossing state lines. The guy who got out of his truck was a stupid criminal who asked for it. And the little White girl from you're video was hanging with the wrong crowd, should've asked for a different mother.

C'mon big boy, tell me how any of these three were victims instead. I'm dying to hear it.
 
The HB Dad said:
What i think? i think we as a country are following influencers for likes, re-tweets and whatever new emoji comes along that gets people to blindly follow whatever is trending. I think its incredible that you defended jacob Blake without knowing the entire story.

Do i think the cops made a mistake? maybe. its possible. Not from the information i have found so far. If you have something else to share, please do!
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What part of the "whole story" tells us why the cops felt threatened by Blake turning his back on them?
 
Justafan said:
Don't move the goal posts, the issue was use of force in effectuating an arrest. Couldn't help yourself?

Are these facts, or allegations. Weren't you the one who said to wait for all the facts, then use critical thinking?
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interesting. I just provided you with crucial information to help you in this case and you blow right over because it doesn't support your stance. I'll put this in the simplest form i can. I DONT CARE ABOUT ANY PERSON'S RIGHTS IF THEY ASSAULT A WOMAN. i dont care if they are black, brown, pink, white or green. I am sensitive to crimes against women and kids so my empathy bucket is low for the guy.
 
Justafan said:
Incredible? Not knowing the entire story? Were only talking about trying to effectuate an arrest. He's on the floor, he resists, has no weapons on him, gets tazed, still gets up, walks around the car, opens the door and gets shot. Simple. I just don't think there was need to shoot him under those circumstances.

And I say no need to shoot him and I'm going to give you two reasons. One, as a man, how the hell can you not handle that without shooting? Even T said they should have tackled him.

Legally, there are different rules for shooting "fleeing" suspects in the back. Of course the cop is going to say he was going for the alleged knife in the car. He'll probably win on that.

My bigger issue is with use of deadly force in general. Goes to the first reason I gave above. It's too easy, in my opinion, to use "legally justified" deadly force.
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What happened to billy clubs? Have they been banned since the Rodney King fiasco?
 
espola said:
What part of the "whole story" tells us why the cops felt threatened by Blake turning his back on them?
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You must be really stupid or just an agitator. A cop has to make a split-second decision whether to kill somebody or risk dying because an idiot now has his hands out of the officer’s sight. More times than not, the officer is right. So if you really care about black criminals, go tell them to obey orders and keep their hands where the officer can see them, dumbfuck.
 
The HB Dad said:
interesting. I just provided you with crucial information to help you in this case and you blow right over because it doesn't support your stance. I'll put this in the simplest form i can. I DONT CARE ABOUT ANY PERSON'S RIGHTS IF THEY ASSAULT A WOMAN. i dont care if they are black, brown, pink, white or green. I am sensitive to crimes against women and kids so my empathy bucket is low for the guy.
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How about if he's President?
 
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