New Research on Covid Transmission

The only thing that bothers me about in person learning is that inevitably, someone is going to test positive-then guess what? School shuts down again, rinse, repeat. All the open close, open close, is so disruptive to their learning. I guess this is where you hope the schools have their stuff together so this is seamless. I don't know what the answer is anymore.
It will happen and there is no perfect answer. but I believe it worth trying. I know some districts are putting kids in "cohorts" so you stay with the same group of kids. One of the kids in your cohort group gets sick and your group has to go back to online learning for 2 weeks. My son's district was offering parents the choice of 100% in person, 100% online or 50/50, before the Governor shut down all in person learning.
 
It will happen and there is no perfect answer. but I believe it worth trying. I know some districts are putting kids in "cohorts" so you stay with the same group of kids. One of the kids in your cohort group gets sick and your group has to go back to online learning for 2 weeks. My son's district was offering parents the choice of 100% in person, 100% online or 50/50, before the Governor shut it down all in person learning.
Cohorts would be great. My older kids school axed cohorts because they couldn’t bear the thought of no electives. ( First world problems. )
 
They can’t protect the cashiers. The cashiers are getting sick.

The working class neighborhoods in NYC had far higher antibody rates than the wealthier areas. One part of Queens had over 50% get it. Most of the people there were essential workers- like cashiers.
Was that very early before any real protocols were in place or are cashiers still getting sick in NYC? Working-class neighborhoods are typically more crowded and my guess is it is a greater burden to get their necessities delivered and avoid crowds at the stores. Also, I am thinking in Queens there are a lot of mom and pop shops that can't easily set up plastic shields, enforce masks, etc. Just a guess though. My impression is that in our area, cashiers appear to be safe, but that's simply based on me not hearing otherwise as I scan through the articles.
 
Said it before and Ill say it again.....

If they can protect a cashier in a supermarket checkout line that sees hundreds of random people everyday within a 6ft radius and they are OK ... how can they not protect teachers seeing the exact same smaller number of low risk kids? I smell politics in this one. Or.. maybe when the teachers explain again how important they are and why they need raises we give that money to the true heros in the grocery store.

The complete inability of school districts to motivate themselves to intellectually work through the problem and solve it is mind blowing. Motivated (and well funded) school districts up and down the east coast are implementing plans (that will be uncomfortable to fund and execute) that address the key issues of bringing kids back to school in safe and efficient manner. Social distancing, reducing daily child density, cleaning, testing. All hard things to do but they are willing to undertake it. Private schools are doing the same thing.

Meanwhile, here in the SW and West, all we get is "look at data" and "we can't and shouldn't". Frustrating to say the least and almost criminal if you think of the impact that will be achieved (yes, I use the word achieved) on kids who do not have the luxury of good WIFI, parent availability, and access to technology.

There , that is my rant, now back to soccer.
 
The complete inability of school districts to motivate themselves to intellectually work through the problem and solve it is mind blowing. Motivated (and well funded) school districts up and down the east coast are implementing plans (that will be uncomfortable to fund and execute) that address the key issues of bringing kids back to school in safe and efficient manner. Social distancing, reducing daily child density, cleaning, testing. All hard things to do but they are willing to undertake it. Private schools are doing the same thing.

Meanwhile, here in the SW and West, all we get is "look at data" and "we can't and shouldn't". Frustrating to say the least and almost criminal if you think of the impact that will be achieved (yes, I use the word achieved) on kids who do not have the luxury of good WIFI, parent availability, and access to technology.

There , that is my rant, now back to soccer.
From an infectious disease doctor


"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "
 
"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "
The issue is people are using emotion vs looking at the data. A lot on this board refuse to look at the data.
 
From an infectious disease doctor


"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "
I'm sure Espy will say she'a Witch Doctor. Scary times were about to enter folks. I know who the winner will be but getting to the finish line will be rough and some wont make it. They wont like the change that is coming.
 
Was that very early before any real protocols were in place or are cashiers still getting sick in NYC? Working-class neighborhoods are typically more crowded and my guess is it is a greater burden to get their necessities delivered and avoid crowds at the stores. Also, I am thinking in Queens there are a lot of mom and pop shops that can't easily set up plastic shields, enforce masks, etc. Just a guess though. My impression is that in our area, cashiers appear to be safe, but that's simply based on me not hearing otherwise as I scan through the articles.

I don’t know if cashiers are still getting sick in NYC. I do know that essential workers have higher rates of covid than those who are lucky enough to work from home.

The store near me seems to have new cashiers every month. I don’t know if that is because people quit or because they get sick, or both.
 
From an infectious disease doctor


"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "

Pretty soon ( like today, tomorrow, etc) school districts are going to see a substantial enough exodus that it''s going to impact funding. Private schools/charters are figuring it out and parents are taking notice. I'm convinced the level of incompetence and complacency (basically the definition of a bureaucracy) in many school districts are close to being insurmountable barriers. They aren't motivated by anything (except maybe loss of $$). It's too bad, plenty of good teachers in the public school system. They will look elsewhere and will find a place as private schools/charters shed teachers who aren't willing to assume "risk" or they are in need of more teachers in order to effectively teach in this new environment.

It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.
 
Pretty soon ( like today, tomorrow, etc) school districts are going to see a substantial enough exodus that it''s going to impact funding. Private schools/charters are figuring it out and parents are taking notice. I'm convinced the level of incompetence and complacency (basically the definition of a bureaucracy) in many school districts are close to being insurmountable barriers. They aren't motivated by anything (except maybe loss of $$). It's too bad, plenty of good teachers in the public school system. They will look elsewhere and will find a place as private schools/charters shed teachers who aren't willing to assume "risk" or they are in need of more teachers in order to effectively teach in this new environment.

It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.
My daughters OC private HS has seen a huge increase in applications and are now turning students away.
 
Pretty soon ( like today, tomorrow, etc) school districts are going to see a substantial enough exodus that it''s going to impact funding. Private schools/charters are figuring it out and parents are taking notice. I'm convinced the level of incompetence and complacency (basically the definition of a bureaucracy) in many school districts are close to being insurmountable barriers. They aren't motivated by anything (except maybe loss of $$). It's too bad, plenty of good teachers in the public school system. They will look elsewhere and will find a place as private schools/charters shed teachers who aren't willing to assume "risk" or they are in need of more teachers in order to effectively teach in this new environment.

It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.
Yep, the students' education is no longer the priority of California public schools.
 
Happy said "It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.
My daughters OC private HS has seen a huge increase in applications and are now turning students away.
Charter is on fire and Private schools are turning away folks. I know a big money guy who never makes mistakes with his money and he's going to be starting a new kind of school. Were meeting tomorrow for cocktails. I might invest in this. I promised not to share but you would want your kid in this program from the sounds of it.....
 
Pretty soon ( like today, tomorrow, etc) school districts are going to see a substantial enough exodus that it''s going to impact funding. Private schools/charters are figuring it out and parents are taking notice.
Recall that many of the teachers unions are demanding private schools stay closed AND they want the reduction of charter schools.

Why? Because they don't want parents to see how poorly they perform, and they don't want parents to escape to greener pastures.
 
Recall that many of the teachers unions are demanding private schools stay closed AND they want the reduction of charter schools.

Why? Because they don't want parents to see how poorly they perform, and they don't want parents to escape to greener pastures.
Some are even being called, "school hoppers." Can you imagine that......sic!!!
 
I don’t know if cashiers are still getting sick in NYC. I do know that essential workers have higher rates of covid than those who are lucky enough to work from home.

The store near me seems to have new cashiers every month. I don’t know if that is because people quit or because they get sick, or both.
I see a lot of the same people at Whole Foods, Costco and Total Wine - 95% of the shopping I do. I always feel better when they have plastic shields between the customer and the cashier. These stores have them - along with the mask requirement. In the best of times, cashiers have to put up with a lot. These days, I always try to make sure I thank them for being there.
 
My daughters OC private HS has seen a huge increase in applications and are now turning students away.
My DYS and DOS private schools are also turning away applications (despite both of them being in LA County and still shuttered). Their elementary school in Ventura County is also oversubscribed with a long waiting list and looking to reopen in 2 weeks.
 
I see a lot of the same people at Whole Foods, Costco and Total Wine - 95% of the shopping I do. I always feel better when they have plastic shields between the customer and the cashier. These stores have them - along with the mask requirement. In the best of times, cashiers have to put up with a lot. These days, I always try to make sure I thank them for being there.
The old guys at Stater Bros and all grocery folks should get paid triple. Plus Starbucks, Am/Pm and basically all the workers who are working except the _________________________________________________________________. They dont feel safe and they are lock step in arms and their life is way more important then the __________________________________________________________ and the parents who have to ________________________________________. That's why the mass exodus out of the state is happening. New York City too. The piggy bank will not get filled up with those folks money. Other states are getting great people with jobs and money.
 
The old guys at Stater Bros and all grocery folks should get paid triple. Plus Starbucks, Am/Pm and basically all the workers who are working except the _________________________________________________________________. They dont feel safe and they are lock step in arms and their life is way more important then the __________________________________________________________ and the parents who have to ________________________________________. That's why the mass exodus out of the state is happening. New York City too. The piggy bank will not get filled up with those folks money. Other states are getting great people with jobs and money.
It will be interesting to see if this is just a "blip" or a real trend. CA "growth" was less than 0.9% from 2016 to 2019 while US population was up about 1.6%. That isn't too big a deal on its own. Now if we start losing employers, that's another story.

I know espola wants me to move to Texas, but my wife doesn't like to sweat. First world problem, I know. She could park the car in the garage and start the AC before pulling out. One thing I do miss about the years I lived in Florida was that if you parked outside, the walk from the door to your car was a good substitute for ironing your outfit.
 
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