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Wez said:
You really are an ignorant fool. Freedom of religion dumbshit. If NYPD can wear crosses, what's wrong with a beard or turban? Not that I care for your idiotic reply, we all know what you'll say.
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The only religion religious zealots acknowledge is their own. So they see freedom of religion as just for them. Organized religion sure has screwed the pooch when it comes to love and understanding . . . problem is, people are in charge . . . and as they gain power . . .
 
Wez said:
You really are an ignorant fool. Freedom of religion dumbshit. If NYPD can wear crosses, what's wrong with a beard or turban? Not that I care for your idiotic reply, we all know what you'll say.
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Since when?
Freedom of religion? Are you kidding me? Try that in public school.
 
Wez said:
You really are an ignorant fool. Freedom of religion dumbshit. If NYPD can wear crosses, what's wrong with a beard or turban? Not that I care for your idiotic reply, we all know what you'll say.
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Teddy said it best.


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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Teddy said it best.


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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
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Nothing about religion in here.....just sayin
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Like Ted Haggard there is something lil' joe wants shoved down his throat . . . a bag of meth . . . a viagra . . . a hotel room . . . and a gay hooker . . .
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You and Wez have this gay thing on your mind and on the tip of your tounge, it doesn't bother me, but you seem almost homophobic or just homos. I can't figure it out. You just might be on the sex offender registry for all I know.
For someone who put me on ignore you are really interested in my posts.
 
Wez said:
Shouldn't everyone be happy that the NYPD is tolerant of all Americans, not just Christians?
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Sikhs have a long tradition of service in military and police in India and the British Empire. The beards and turbans are the most visible traits of their religion which has a fairly strict code of behavior, dress, and worship. You might even say they are ultra-conservative, from their own basis.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
expansive, not restrictive.
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Sounds jingoistic actually, although I think there is still truth to it. The expansiveness clearly came at the expense (a shamefully mild term for genocide) of the original inhabitants and was clearly restrictive in the case of the imported forced labor. For these cases, the historical reckoning is not yet complete.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Sounds jingoistic actually, although I think there is still truth to it. The expansiveness clearly came at the expense (a shamefully mild term for genocide) of the original inhabitants and was clearly restrictive in the case of the imported forced labor. For these cases, the historical reckoning is not yet complete.
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I wasn't sure how to respond to that. One of my history hobbies is research into colonial and near-post-colonial life in New England. The Plymouth Pilgrims were fortunate to have landed in an area that recently had been abandoned by the natives because of an epidemic of some European illness, perhaps measles, perhaps acquired by contact with European fishermen (Portuguese and French are known to have been working the New England coast at that time). Not only were there no inhabitants with which to be concerned, there were stockpiles of preserved fish and vegetables left behind. On a small scale, the Pilgrims fell into a vacuum and survived (barely) the first Winter, after which the neighboring natives just saw them as just another competitor for space and natural resources, although a bit odd. Then they brought in all their friends and relatives.
 
It did not have to go down the way it did. The argument for genocide (a systematic policy of eradication) is most forceful in the case of the western tribes. Maybe I read Dee Brown when I was still too impressionable. I tried to get my son interested in the Alvin Maker series but he goes his own way. Is globalism a logical extension of manifest destiny? That's an interesting question.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
It did not have to go down the way it did. The argument for genocide (a systematic policy of eradication) is most forceful in the case of the western tribes. Maybe I read Dee Brown when I was still too impressionable. I tried to get my son interested in the Alvin Maker series but he goes his own way. Is globalism a logical extension of manifest destiny? That's an interesting question.
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No, it's the new world order coming to fruition.
 
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