Yes and know. Some teams try and play like UCLA and others play like NC. It's called a game match up for a reason. Each game is different and full of surprises. Rain and turf or grass. If winning is #1, then the game and the girls will dictate the style. So many people whine and moan over hs soccer. it amazes me to this day. It's called school pride Outlaw and when some girls put on their hs jersey, school pride and winning comes first, over stylish play and all that. Unfortunately, girls some times get in cat fights and gets chippy. Some top players get frustrated and quit and that's ok too. My dd loves the competitive ganas outlaw. Do you understand ganas?
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No argument about school pride. Why else WOULD you play? All we're saying is that, for most schools and regions, the skill level is lower and that leads to more injuries. The coaching is typically bad and the frustration level increases for stronger players. And if you've spent years working and sacrificing for the dream of playing at the college level, and some hack comes in and takes your kid out with a cheap shot or late tackle, it's frustrating. My kid has played for 11 years and never been injured. First year of HS ball? Took a late knee to the hip and had to come off. First time.
My favorite part is club teammates doing battle against each other in HS gear. Love the post game photos in alternate colors.
Wow, what level is your player at? My dd broke a bone in her foot ((hack in club stepped on it)), broke her wrist at ODP tryouts, got a concussion against Surf when she played for Blues. Let's see, what else can I think of???? Oh ya, had a seizure on the field in OT in the Dallas Cup finals. 1 minute left in OT and she raced down a kickball to try and score and the GK clipped her feet and my dd went flying in the air and had convulsions on the filed. 911 was called and it was gnarly and scary all in one Outlaw. She was flopping like a fish. The only time I ever ran on the field. A doctor from our older sister team was right behind me. Scariest 2 minutes of my life. What had actually happen was my dd got the win knocked out of her and needed to breath. She tried to go back in but we pulled her out 100%. She had other injuries in her career but she played through them I think. I can;t imagine playing soccer for 11 years and never getting injured if you play with ganas.
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HS sports is what you make of them.
There are somewhat of urban myths behind the hoopla that it's more risky or the level is not good enough, or the coaching is non existed.
With 2 players already in/through college and a upcoming HS senior high school sports have been great for our kids. Way more injuries for our daughter ECNL teams compared to HS, oldest son didn't notice any difference nor for the younger. They both have had college coaches and other scouts out to see them during HS play.
Coaching was never a issue and heck if your good enough should be dominating the so called lower level players. Do the two man crews miss somethings sure they do buy good players learn how to adapt to whatever style of play or player
Learning different styles playing vs different players and challenging oneself is normally a positive and HS players can take leadership roles playing with the mixed ages, helps in preparation for later life where everyone is not the same age, on the same page.
club soccer is great to and fun also but it's almost a isolated type of deal where your don't get that many outside opportunities and it's a closed ecosystem for the most part.
There are somewhat of urban myths behind the hoopla that it's more risky or the level is not good enough, or the coaching is non existed.
With 2 players already in/through college and a upcoming HS senior high school sports have been great for our kids. Way more injuries for our daughter ECNL teams compared to HS, oldest son didn't notice any difference nor for the younger. They both have had college coaches and other scouts out to see them during HS play.
Coaching was never a issue and heck if your good enough should be dominating the so called lower level players. Do the two man crews miss somethings sure they do buy good players learn how to adapt to whatever style of play or player
Learning different styles playing vs different players and challenging oneself is normally a positive and HS players can take leadership roles playing with the mixed ages, helps in preparation for later life where everyone is not the same age, on the same page.
club soccer is great to and fun also but it's almost a isolated type of deal where your don't get that many outside opportunities and it's a closed ecosystem for the most part.
I don't think ECNL will make one beyond what they already have. That you are to abide by local and state requirements. ECNL around the country does not operate on the same schedule. Some conferences play winter and spring seasons because their HS soccer is played in the fall. Some do what we usually do (fall/spring seasons with HS in the winter), and some do fall/winter (with HS in the spring). So it is really up to the conferences to set their schedule.
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Daughter plays NPL and we've played many of your heavy, SoCal hitters at Surf. My kid is big, though, so others tend to pull up when going head to head with her.
She has friends and teammates that are barely hanging on, though, because of injuries... especially knees. Ganas is great until it ends your career.
Huh? The PPP was specifically designed to help keep small businesses like youth soccer clubs afloat. These clubs have obviously been among the most severely impacted by the pandemic, and they actually provide a service to children. I’m having a hard time thinking of many businesses that are more deserving since they at least help kids. Contrast them with publicly-traded for profit businesses that are taking millions in PPP loans.
This narrative that youth soccer clubs are power hungry greedy businesses that don’t care about kids is tiresome and complete b.s. Virtually all of them are doing the best they can to survive. The vast majority are trying to provide services as best they can within restrictive shelter in place or social distancing rules, and they’re entitled to be paid for that. Soccer coaches in particular have been severely hurt by the pandemic in that they weren’t making much to begin with and most then went to nothing.
If you don’t want to pay for the limited services they can provide right now, don’t, or go somewhere else where you will get what you pay for.
Excellent takes on hs soccer. I know where the Urban myths come and I know why their said. If my dd would have stayed in Temecula and went to that charter school called TPS, then she would have played D7. I swear as God as my witness she would not have bailed on her classmates and school. She played in 8th grade with them and her club coach was not all too happy. My dd was the coach on the field and tried to play possession because that's what her club preached. When they needed a few goals, she would try and score. It was rough but she had so mucg fun. We actually sat next to some parents from a little school in Hemet and my dd was playing really good, like a Cat playing with a mouse. The other parents were so rude. "Go back to club, you don;t belong here." Her club coach telling her please dont play middle school soccer. She came to her old man for advice. "Daddy, what should I do?" I told her to do what your heart desires and I will support you 100%. I did say they will hack her and it wont be anything like Surf and you have a high chance of getting hurt and never playing again. She went to school the next day and came home and said she's playing with her friends from school. Half played local club like Hawks, Legends South and Temecula United. We had a good little team.
She is very fortunate to be big and never get hurt playing club. First parent I've heard that from. Again, that's super awesome
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There's more comp injuries because the high school season is 2-3 months long. I was lucky... my high school coach was a former college player, but many of these kids play for the teacher willing to take $3k extra, per year, to sacrifice his/her weeknights.
Yeah! I love a fight!
Hey another small ray of sunshine for those of you with kids in private or charter middle school. The state health officials seem to indicate that the footnote waiver (the one allowing elementary schools to seek a waiver) may also appliy to middle schools. If your private or charter elementary or middle school doesn't know, you can them a heads up. For the public schools it seems they are SOL because an objection from a community group (such as the teacher's union) seems to be interpreted as enough not to get the waiver.
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California districts can seek waiver for elementary schools from ban on in-school instruction
County health directors would decide whether to allow small groups of students into schools or open up districts in remote corners of counties.
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Will the two coaches agree? My son's team had a backup keeper who was also on the A wrestling squad, He came to soccer practice when schedule allowed and played in soccer games that did not interfere with the wrestling match schedule. He didn't make many appearances in soccer, but he made it to the state wrestling meet finals in his weight, losing in OT.
you could always play two high school sports at once. There’s a time cap for the week and both coaches obviously have to agree to it but it’s allowed. Your school/district might have a different rule but according to CIF it’s allowed.
will be interesting if anyone tries to do spring hs soccer, club soccer and hs track. With no more DA our kid was thinking club soccer, then hs soccer then back to club soccer in the spring and maybe add track if the hs coach would be flexible. But if ecnl is happening in spring our focus will be there and getting exposure. What a mess. Feel badly for these kids. Not that they are owed a fair life but a fun high school experience sure is a great rite of passage. I feel for all the seniors this year. Ugh.
Is there a Jo Jackson for the girls?
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HS soccer and track will work at the same time. Simple reason would be track (for the most part) is an individual sport and you can be training with soccer team and compete at track events. The only thing you will need to have track training if you are running relays.
Not necessarily - jumping and throwing events benefit from knowledgeable coaching, and any distances beyond sprints can benefit from strategic thinking in planning final kicks.
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FWIW it seems very obvious to me that ECNL will proceed with the spring season....... only covid can stop it
Let's hope Labor Day Surfers Only Cup ((no posers...lol)) and then ECNL fall ball. Futbol dad of 1, I want it all for my goat and you know that. A little bit of everything is good for the young mind