CIF decision

[Patandpats]

Here are the boys and remember all of these commitments are before the DA ended and we added even more great players to HS whenever it happens.


CALIFORNIA-NORTH
[Includes the Central Coast, North Coast, Sac-Joaquin and Northern sections]

F	Zack Batchelder	Montgomery (Calif.)	Sr.	UC Davis
F	Liam Johnson	Sacred Heart Prep (Calif.)	Sr.	Santa Clara
F	Wyatt Meyer	St. Mary's (Calif.)	Sr.	California
M	Julian Churchill	Jesuit (Calif.)	Sr.	Washington
M	Kalani Kossa-Rienzi	Berkeley (Calif.)	Sr.	Washington
M	Chris Meyers	Jesuit (Calif.)	Sr.	Washington
M	Miguel Tostado	Menlo-Atherton (Calif.)	Sr.	UC Santa Barbara
M	Kevin Welch	Montgomery (Calif.)	Sr.	UC Davis
D	Tate Hackett	Bellarmine Prep (Calif.)	Jr.
D	Diego Ramos	Ygnacio Valley (Calif.)	Jr.
GK	Fernando Escobedo	Clayton Valley Charter	Sr.
Coach	Jon Schwan	Montgomery (Calif.)

CALIFORNIA-SOUTH
[Includes the Central, Los Angeles, San Diego and Southern sections]

F	Grayson Doody	Loyola (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
F	Buba Fofanah	Cate School (Calif.)	Sr.	Portland
F	Jake Means	Simi Valley (Calif.)	Sr.	UC Irvine
M	Moises Hernandez	San Luis Obispo (Calif.)	Sr.	Cal Poly
M	Jake Kosakoff	Torrey Pines (Calif.)	Sr.	UC San Diego
M	Tyler Oakson	Mission Viejo (Calif.)	Sr.	SMU
M	Uriel Sanchez	Servite (Calif.)	Sr.	Cal State Dominguez Hills
M	Andrew Valverde	North Torrance (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
M/D	Pablo Greenlee	Harvard-Westlake (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
D	Tomas Griego	Loyola (Calif.)	Sr.	San Francisco State
GK	David Mitzner	Servite (Calif.)	Sr.	Portland
Coach	Arturo Lopez	Cathedral (Calif.)

 

[Ellejustus]

Excellent information Pats. Don;t forget Reilyn Turner from Laguna Beach HS. UCLA commit. She really wanted to play this last season but got hurt at one of those Woman National Team games and had to sit out. It was not safe for her at all. The other teams swarmed her and played way to rough on her and it was at times bush league, if you know what I mean. By far the best player my dd had the privilege to play with. Basically, when my dd was a Fr she and the other Srs were amazing to the little Fr rookies. My dd was a new student and didnt know a soul and the veterans on that team took care of her.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Lots of great players in high school and they are getting recruited. Here are the TDS all region teams and their commitments. Some pretty great schools.

CALIFORNIA-NORTH
[Includes the Central Coast, North Coast, Sac-Joaquin and Northern sections]

F	Karlie Lema	Live Oak (Calif.)	Jr.	California
F	Emma Vane	Archbishop Mitty (Calif.)	Jr.
M	Megan Edelman	Monte Vista (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
M	Julia Leontini	Monte Vista (Calif.)	Sr.	Stanford
M	Sistine Noel	Mountain View (Calif.)	Jr.	Santa Clara
M	Elizabeth Ospeck	Carondelet (Calif.)	Sr.	Notre Dame
M	Michaela Rosenbaum	Montgomery (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
M	Lexi Zandonella	Carondelet (Calif.)	Sr.	Sonoma State
D	Julia Gonsman	Amador Valley (Calif.)	Sr.	California
D	Isabella Panaccione	St. Francis-Mountain View (Calif.)	Jr.	Santa Clara
GK	Leah Freeman	Berkeley (Calif.)	Sr.	Oregon
Coach	Shane Kennedy	Tamalpais (Calif.)

CALIFORNIA-SOUTH
[Includes the Central, Los Angeles, San Diego and Southern sections]

F	Colby Barnett	Los Alamitos (Calif.)	Jr.	Santa Clara
F	Samantha Williams	JSerra (Calif.)	Sr.	Stanford
F	Alexandria Wright	Carlsbad (Calif.)	Jr.	UCLA
M	Rilee Harmon	Santiago/Corona (Calif.)	Sr.	California
M	Tabitha LaParl	Los Alamitos (Calif.)	Jr.	Pepperdine
M	Isabel Loza	La Mirada (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
M	Grace Watkins	Mira Costa (Calif.)	Sr.	Duke
M	Marin Whieldon	Upland (Calif.)	Sr.	Washington State
D	Anna DeLeon	Palos Verdes (Calif.)	Sr.	Florida
D	Kendyll Fritts	JSerra (Calif.)	Sr.	Colorado
GK	Ryan Campbell	JSerra (Calif.)	Sr.	Stanford
Coach	Bo Whieldon	Upland (Calif.)

I'll bet every single one of them played club ball... and probably at a high profile club as well. When you submit a player profile to TDS, it asks for your club name and high school.

 

[Ellejustus]

I was thinking this morning about this. I have never ever heard someone tell me high school basketball sucks and it's too dangerous or talent-less. I have heard people say their basketball team sucks because they have no talent, but not, "basketball sucks in High School." I played baseball in the South Coast League in the early 80s. I would never have said, "high school baseball sucks and the players who play high school baseball suck. The scouts only watch travel ball games." The truth is our school was in the wrong league and we got killed by the likes of Capo Valley HS, Mission Viejo, San Clemente, to name a few of the giants. We would lose 23-2, no joke. I got my chance to hit with MLB scouts in the stands with their MPH guns. I went up against guys like Lee Plemel from Laguna Hills, the Call bros from Capo and some top draft pick named Dobbs from Capo beach. I also hit against Paul Abbott out of Sunny Hills. I struck out against all of them. Abbott and Dobbs were in the 90s with a nasty change up and curve ball. 1, 2 3 and my dream was over. I did not stand their looking and went out swinging foolishly in front of the scouts. Big wake up call for me that I was not big league material. So I went for being a pro surfer instead. EOTL thinks I was pro and I never said that. My bros were but not me. My best chance of pro was baseball and I smoked way too much weed in High School. I'm all for it for medical purposes for those over 50 with bad back but no flower for teens.

 

[Eagle33]

I don't think HS soccer is bad, but I do believe some coaches want club parents to believe it is.

 

[Ellejustus]

I'll bet every single one of them played club ball... and probably at a high profile club as well. When you submit a player profile to TDS, it asks for your club name and high school.

To be clear, HS was social, not a place where the girls got recruited. These top players did not need a showcase either, they already were on the lists in 7th & 8th grade. I got all this figured out now but it's no point to go back into the past everyone. The future is now and all this soccer tiers will get sorted out. Soccer first of all needs to be free at the grass roots. It's free around the world but expensive as hell to play here. We need a plan where kids can play for free.

 

[Stephen A smith]

To be clear, HS was social, not a place where the girls got recruited. These top players did not need a showcase either, they already were on the lists in 7th & 8th grade. I got all this figured out now but it's no point to go back into the past everyone. The future is now and all this soccer tiers will get sorted out. Soccer first of all needs to be free at the grass roots. It's free around the world but expensive as hell to play here. We need a plan where kids can play for free.

Exactly why the mens teams don't qualify for the WC. The system is set up for the the ones that can afford it. That doesn't mean they are the best. Then you see clubs Taking money from the government and parents. I doubt they give any back. On top of that they are holding camps. It's all greed

 

[Copa9]

How all those girls made colleges pre-ECNL and pre-DA? Playing ECNL is not the only option to get noticed. Again, if you HS program sucks that's a different story, but there are plenty very good programs with great coaching, at least in OC.
Is your DD already in college?

You pretty much answered your own question. There was no ECNL, DA. Coaches looked at ODP teams, league, conference champions and nationals championship teams, national teams.

 

[Dubs]

I do, I want ECNL to work out and the GA and all the leagues. That is 100%. However, let's find a way to do both.

So you didn't read what I said. It is only a problem when both are going on at the SAME TIME!!! My kid played HS ball her Fresh and Soph years, so I'm not against the concept of playing for your school, social aspects, blah blah blah. I get it. She's in ECNL so you can play if you want to. My issue is when both ECNL and HS will be during the same time frame! Playing either both or choosing to play HS over ECNL is not a wise choice IMO. As good as you say your HS league is, it's not anywhere near ECNL and will never be as long as this level of soccer exists for elite players and players striving to be elite.

 

[Dubs]

How all those girls made colleges pre-ECNL and pre-DA? Playing ECNL is not the only option to get noticed. Again, if you HS program sucks that's a different story, but there are plenty very good programs with great coaching, at least in OC.
Is your DD already in college?

I'm not disputing that at all. As others have said, there are many paths to Rome. I'm just saying HS ONLY is very much the not travelled path. Can it work out? Sure. I guess. I don't know of any "I only played HS without club and got recruited to play womens D1 soccer". My kid is going into her senior year and has been committed since Soph year before the rule changed.

 

[Dubs]

Lots of great players in high school and they are getting recruited. Here are the TDS all region teams and their commitments. Some pretty great schools.

CALIFORNIA-NORTH
[Includes the Central Coast, North Coast, Sac-Joaquin and Northern sections]

F	Karlie Lema	Live Oak (Calif.)	Jr.	California
F	Emma Vane	Archbishop Mitty (Calif.)	Jr.
M	Megan Edelman	Monte Vista (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
M	Julia Leontini	Monte Vista (Calif.)	Sr.	Stanford
M	Sistine Noel	Mountain View (Calif.)	Jr.	Santa Clara
M	Elizabeth Ospeck	Carondelet (Calif.)	Sr.	Notre Dame
M	Michaela Rosenbaum	Montgomery (Calif.)	Sr.	UCLA
M	Lexi Zandonella	Carondelet (Calif.)	Sr.	Sonoma State
D	Julia Gonsman	Amador Valley (Calif.)	Sr.	California
D	Isabella Panaccione	St. Francis-Mountain View (Calif.)	Jr.	Santa Clara
GK	Leah Freeman	Berkeley (Calif.)	Sr.	Oregon
Coach	Shane Kennedy	Tamalpais (Calif.)

CALIFORNIA-SOUTH
[Includes the Central, Los Angeles, San Diego and Southern sections]

F

Colby Barnett

Los Alamitos (Calif.)

Jr.

You guys are not reading what I am writing. Who said I'm against HS soccer? My DD played HS Fresh/Soph, but that was not what got her recruited. It was ECNL. Each one of the girls that you listed here plays at a club and was either on an ECNL team or a DA team! Again, please listen... I am against HS soccer ONLY when the schedule of the HS season intersects/interferes with the ECNL season. That's it. Otherwise, HS is a personal choice girls make on their own. There is no right answer. We good now?

 

[Simisoccerfan]

Every single girl listed above for Cal South played ECNL. It is just plain ignorant and wrong to think that HS soccer had anything to do with it. Also no one that is uncommitted and wants to play in college. will chose HS over ECNL if you can’t do both. Also girls need to play for clubs or leagues that use Instat since college recruiting budgets will be slashed for years.

 

[Dubs]

I was thinking this morning about this. I have never ever heard someone tell me high school basketball sucks and it's too dangerous or talent-less. I have heard people say their basketball team sucks because they have no talent, but not, "basketball sucks in High School." I played baseball in the South Coast League in the early 80s. I would never have said, "high school baseball sucks and the players who play high school baseball suck. The scouts only watch travel ball games." The truth is our school was in the wrong league and we got killed by the likes of Capo Valley HS, Mission Viejo, San Clemente, to name a few of the giants. We would lose 23-2, no joke. I got my chance to hit with MLB scouts in the stands with their MPH guns. I went up against guys like Lee Plemel from Laguna Hills, the Call bros from Capo and some top draft pick named Dobbs from Capo beach. I also hit against Paul Abbott out of Sunny Hills. I struck out against all of them. Abbott and Dobbs were in the 90s with a nasty change up and curve ball. 1, 2 3 and my dream was over. I did not stand their looking and went out swinging foolishly in front of the scouts. Big wake up call for me that I was not big league material. So I went for being a pro surfer instead. EOTL thinks I was pro and I never said that. My bros were but not me. My best chance of pro was baseball and I smoked way too much weed in High School. I'm all for it for medical purposes for those over 50 with bad back but no flower for teens.

This is girls HS soccer and you're comparing it to HS BBall from a recruiting standpoint. It's not comaparable! You can wish it to happen, but doesn't mean it will.

 

[Ellejustus]

So you didn't read what I said. It is only a problem when both are going on at the SAME TIME!!! My kid played HS ball her Fresh and Soph years, so I'm not against the concept of playing for your school, social aspects, blah blah blah. I get it. She's in ECNL so you can play if you want to. My issue is when both ECNL and HS will be during the same time frame! Playing either both or choosing to play HS over ECNL is not a wise choice IMO. As good as you say your HS league is, it's not anywhere near ECNL and will never be as long as this level of soccer exists for elite players and players striving to be elite.

Look Dubs, I watched all this with my own eyes. This is not a right or wrong but more of a both and. I'm not advocating doing both hard core either. If your coach ((Doc)) is whispering things like, "HS Soccer sucks" then I would say back to him, "you suck." To each his own. I can tell you ECNL and GDA had issues with Ganas. I saw girls play at showcases and the zeal and ganas to win was not there. I then see these same girls play in big rival games in HS and the player is amazing because their playing with school pride and ganas. I saw my own two eyes. I am a witness and I know sports should be played with ganas, not soft development where you dont try hard to not get hurt. The showcases are more for individuals who want to show off imo. I did not see the spirit of winning. Again, I believe ECNL will work things out for Socal HS Soccer. Let's in brace it. You dd must have been in a bad league with a bad coach. High School Soccer Rules....lol!!!

 

[Ellejustus]

Every single girl listed above for Cal South played ECNL. It is just plain ignorant and wrong to think that HS soccer had anything to do with it. Also no one that is uncommitted and wants to play in college. will chose HS over ECNL if you can’t do both. Also girls need to play for clubs or leagues that use Instat since college recruiting budgets will be slashed for years.

and they did both.

 

[soccer5210]

My daughter is a rising senior ECNL player who has decided that she is not interested in playing in college (had been looked at and contacted by some D1s and D2s prior to her decision.) Wants to pursue a medical major and have a “regular” college experience, and realized that soccer would make both of those things so much harder that it wasn’t worth it to her. That said, ALL she wants is to have a final high school season. She would/will drop club in a split second to be able to play her last high school season. I think there may be more ECNL seniors than you might think who feel the same.

 

[GT45]

My daughter is a rising senior ECNL player who has decided that she is not interested in playing in college (had been looked at and contacted by some D1s and D2s prior to her decision.) Wants to pursue a medical major and have a “regular” college experience, and realized that soccer would make both of those things so much harder that it wasn’t worth it to her. That said, ALL she wants is to have a final high school season. She would/will drop club in a split second to be able to play her last high school season. I think there may be more ECNL seniors than you might think who feel the same.

That is nice your daughter feels that way, but the idea that other ECNL seniors will follow her path is VERY unlikely. It takes an extra commitment to play ECNL (both time and money), so 99% of those kids want to play in college. But there is no reason to debate this. They can play both. It is just a matter of the HS and club coaches being smart and not overworking the kids in training.

 

[Ellejustus]

My daughter is a rising senior ECNL player who has decided that she is not interested in playing in college (had been looked at and contacted by some D1s and D2s prior to her decision.) Wants to pursue a medical major and have a “regular” college experience, and realized that soccer would make both of those things so much harder that it wasn’t worth it to her. That said, ALL she wants is to have a final high school season. She would/will drop club in a split second to be able to play her last high school season. I think there may be more ECNL seniors than you might think who feel the same.

The last three years of club soccer has sucked for many girls and many are saying good bye for good. I know a few who thought it was the best sport since slice bread. I'm here to tell you as a fan of sports with ganas, youth club soccer lost that ingredients some time ago. HS Soccer is played with Ganas and that is why it should be embraced, not made fun of and told it sucks. Let's just say it needs to be improved and I'm willing to support that because its free!!!!

 

[jpeter]

My daughter is a rising senior ECNL player who has decided that she is not interested in playing in college (had been looked at and contacted by some D1s and D2s prior to her decision.) Wants to pursue a medical major and have a “regular” college experience, and realized that soccer would make both of those things so much harder that it wasn’t worth it to her. That said, ALL she wants is to have a final high school season. She would/will drop club in a split second to be able to play her last high school season. I think there may be more ECNL seniors than you might think who feel the same.

Our daughter is now a college sophomore, loved her senior HS year but it was normal and played ECNL also.

Everyone had college offers including her but she went the medical route and got a bunch of sholarships outside sports. She still participated in athletics intramural so it was working well until the shutdown.

 

[Dubs]

and they did both.

Dude, they did both because they were not scheduled at the same time. ECNL (as I'm sure you know) breaks for HS soccer....which my kid did!

 

[soccer5210]

That is nice your daughter feels that way, but the idea that other ECNL seniors will follow her path is VERY unlikely. It takes an extra commitment to play ECNL (both time and money), so 99% of those kids want to play in college. But there is no reason to debate this. They can play both. It is just a matter of the HS and club coaches being smart and not overworking the kids in training.

Im not debating that, just putting out a perspective that may be unique to seniors. I hope things get better and everyone gets to be able to make the choice to play either or both.