Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Desert Hound said:
See here is the difference.

When I signed my kid up the deal was travel.

I didn't join and then complain about the fact the league involves travel.

See how that works?
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False choice.

There are not enough high skill kids for two leagues. The high skill kids belong in the same league.

And, if the parents of those high skill kids think day trips to Vegas and Salt Lake are crazy stupid, we have every right to say so. And to ask our clubs to use their influence to realign the conferences.

The day trips for mismatched opponents are crazy stupid. There is no reason to drive 300 miles or fly 900 miles just to make sure that the 10th best team in the country can still beat the 240th best team.
 
Desert Hound said:
You state local clubs have what you need. And yet for some reason when given the choice you don't like that option.
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For some kids, playing local means playing up two years. It just isn’t safe. Otherwise I would.

And yes, she could play her age and play local. But it ruins the game for the middle skill kids. I won’t do that.
 
Desert Hound said:
Actually it is a bit different. Research the thing you plan on joining.

If after you research it and you decide it doesn't work, don't do it.

In my case we looked at it, liked it and joined.

What we didn't do is what you are doing... sniveling and asking the league to change because you don't like traveling. I am not asking them to change things for me. I knew what we signed up for. That is the difference between you and I.

The smart people sign up for things that work for them.

I certainly do not sign up for stuff that I don't like.

Why do you?

You state local clubs have what you need. And yet for some reason when given the choice you don't like that option.
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I can see why you would be so excited for your kid to play ECNL. The SoCal teams are a vast improvement over your local competition.

Arizona made some sense in early ECNL because they couldn’t steal players from existing SoCal clubs. Now that GDA caused ECNL to add a bunch of teams in SoCal, especially SD, AZ’s and NV’s usefulness has come to an end for SoCal.

The other difference between you and me is that I look past today and also try to help people. I want to make sure you have advance warning so you can prepare accordingly. I’m nice like that.
 
Desert Hound said:
Actually it is a bit different. Research the thing you plan on joining.

If after you research it and you decide it doesn't work, don't do it.

In my case we looked at it, liked it and joined.

What we didn't do is what you are doing... sniveling and asking the league to change because you don't like traveling. I am not asking them to change things for me. I knew what we signed up for. That is the difference between you and I.

The smart people sign up for things that work for them.

I certainly do not sign up for stuff that I don't like.

Why do you?

You state local clubs have what you need. And yet for some reason when given the choice you don't like that option.
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So when AZ and NV move to a different region, will you be leaving ECNL? Probably not.
 
MSK357 said:
So when AZ and NV move to a different region, will you be leaving ECNL? Probably not.
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If you think arizona encl clubs will not use showcases as leverage your crazy... like you said you have plenty of top clubs in California and ECNL knows they can cut the teams that are not happy and know those top kids will go to the ECNL teams that are still willing to travel to arizona 1 week out of the season. look how the Cali clubs treat each other now you think they will fight together to make it all cal south? they already trying to keep teams out.
 
Just A Dad said:
If you think arizona encl clubs will not use showcases as leverage your crazy... like you said you have plenty of top clubs in California and ECNL knows they can cut the teams that are not happy and know those top kids will go to the ECNL teams that are still willing to travel to arizona 1 week out of the season. look how the Cali clubs treat each other now you think they will fight together to make it all cal south? they already trying to keep teams out.
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We should just start another showcase in socal, I'm sure people traveling from out of state would prefer it lol.
 
Just A Dad said:
If you think arizona encl clubs will not use showcases as leverage your crazy... like you said you have plenty of top clubs in California and ECNL knows they can cut the teams that are not happy and know those top kids will go to the ECNL teams that are still willing to travel to arizona 1 week out of the season. look how the Cali clubs treat each other now you think they will fight together to make it all cal south? they already trying to keep teams out.
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AZ would be fools to use showcases as leverage.

Having local showcases is great for your girls and your clubs. Why put that at risk?

You would be smart to accept the ex DA clubs. Builds a better local base with 4 teams so you aren't in an all travel situation like Real Colorado is now.
 
MSK357 said:
We should just start another showcase in socal, I'm sure people traveling from out of state would prefer it lol.
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If ECNL wanted a showcase in socal it would have happened long ago. again you need the local clubs to work together to put a showcase on
 
dad4 said:
AZ would be fools to use showcases as leverage.

Having local showcases is great for your girls and your clubs. Why put that at risk?

You would be smart to accept the ex DA clubs. Builds a better local base with 4 teams so you aren't in an all travel situation like Real Colorado is now.
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We will have 4 teams in State, our Club teams will play each other, Rapids and Pride teams. At least we don't have to travel to KS and Neb anymore ;)
 
dad4 said:
AZ would be fools to use showcases as leverage.

Having local showcases is great for your girls and your clubs. Why put that at risk?

You would be smart to accept the ex DA clubs. Builds a better local base with 4 teams so you aren't in an all travel situation like Real Colorado is now.
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i have know problem if ECNL wanted to add the ex DA clubs but thats not my choice. I dont see it happening because they are both very vocal that GA is a much better league then ECNL.
 
Just A Dad said:
i have know problem if ECNL wanted to add the ex DA clubs but thats not my choice. I dont see it happening because they are both very vocal that GA is a much better league then ECNL.
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not my choice, either.

I think “we are better than ECNL“ hype would fade quickly if a merger were offered. That’s just the propaganda for parent consumption. The leagues are Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
 
I've been waiting on some breaking news before I start going off. I will say I have learned a lot this week. I will go back in my hole after I make this statement. I will not be taking any questions on this subject and I will not comment anymore about traveling. First, a travel league outside of socal sucks!!!! However, I love ECNL and what it's all about for Teens in High School who want to play at a top college. Road games are fun and a very good experience. @Desert Hound is spot on as is @Mile High Dad and all my friends in Vegas. All of us will go grab a Corona in Vegas ((my treat)) and take in a show ((not my treat)) with Vegas Guy at the next showcase get together. We should have 16 team SW Conference for first year. After first year, drop to 14. 12 Socal Teams ((Mr Lavers, please add Beach & Legends top teams so we can be unified. TY!!!)) 2 NV teams 2 AZ teams. This will be the top league. My first year of ECNL was a learning and humbling experience for this dad. After the horrible first year of that GDA league, I had nowhere to go and no soccer family to be adopted in. I called one of the Big Families to look for a new home. Do we do GDA and just let my kid fight them head on with HS Soccer just like that Dallas Hair Dresser and see what the GDA judge would do? Or, do we believe the rumors? I'm just a 5% damm fool. I think I was 5% at fault and 45% faults of Clubs, Docs, coaches and 50% on the now folded GDA league. Two leagues of full time travel sucked and was overkill with weak competition all around. We know why too. Carry on you all and stay safe. Go soccer!!!
 
Mile High Dad said:
My goat is an 04 and has been traveling since she was U10. We hit Nv, Az and played in the Blues Cup a few times . Personally I feel blessed to get to travel to watch her play the game she loves. Sure there are some trips when like EJ says everyone gets a hat trick, it is a waste all around. But those teams get weeded out. Imagine being those parents and kids. Lopsided matches 4-1/3-0 type games are learning experiences for all and then when you get the hard fought draw or the 1-0 game, it is certainly worth the price of admission. So from my lone CO perspective, traveling to play teams that represent the more competitive teams in a certain area is absolutely worth it. It took leaving Socal 15 years ago to see how big the world is outside of Ca. Now looking forward to see how NorCal and the NW plays. Texas was a blast and it is fun to see our Club hold its own down there. I really applaud the Ca parents that deal with getting your goats to practices after working all day. We are 1 mile from our practice fields and 6 miles from our complex. I’m also a bit skewed since my DD has battled back from contact ACL injuries too. We may be starting some social distancing practices in June. So I would say enjoy the ride for your kid cuz it goes by really quick.
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Thanks for this post @MileHighDad. I know the girls enjoy the traveling and hanging out and I always enjoy the competition and playing new teams like you said. I know there is a divide between some people in here on travel but as long as it isn't too much (every other weekend), I am fine with it. One trip to AZ and one trip to Vegas, could be a lot worse. Plus one showcase a year plus playoffs. More showcases in the recruiting years makes sense too. I do think some of the regions have it pretty bad as far as travel so I do think us in the SW conference shouldn't complain too much. We live in socal with so many top teams and great weather plus the two out of state trips don't require flying if you don't want it to, you can drive to both.

But in other news, I am hearing that OC clubs are looking to start back up in mid May so sounds like we are close to get the DDs back out and getting some kind of practice, what it will look like I am not sure.
I have heard that Texas has already resumed practice or will start soon. Norcal, CO or other states, have you heard anything about return dates?
 
SoccerGuru said:
Thanks for this post @MileHighDad. I know the girls enjoy the traveling and hanging out and I always enjoy the competition and playing new teams like you said. I know there is a divide between some people in here on travel but as long as it isn't too much (every other weekend), I am fine with it. One trip to AZ and one trip to Vegas, could be a lot worse. Plus one showcase a year plus playoffs. More showcases in the recruiting years makes sense too. I do think some of the regions have it pretty bad as far as travel so I do think us in the SW conference shouldn't complain too much. We live in socal with so many top teams and great weather plus the two out of state trips don't require flying if you don't want it to, you can drive to both.

But in other news, I am hearing that OC clubs are looking to start back up in mid May so sounds like we are close to get the DDs back out and getting some kind of practice, what it will look like I am not sure.
I have heard that Texas has already resumed practice or will start soon. Norcal, CO or other states, have you heard anything about return dates?
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Bay area is waiting on testing capacity. They want to be running at least 150 tests per day per 100K residents.

Even then, they will probably worry about employment first and recreation second.

June?
 
SoccerGuru said:
Thanks for this post @MileHighDad. I know the girls enjoy the traveling and hanging out and I always enjoy the competition and playing new teams like you said. I know there is a divide between some people in here on travel but as long as it isn't too much (every other weekend), I am fine with it. One trip to AZ and one trip to Vegas, could be a lot worse. Plus one showcase a year plus playoffs. More showcases in the recruiting years makes sense too. I do think some of the regions have it pretty bad as far as travel so I do think us in the SW conference shouldn't complain too much. We live in socal with so many top teams and great weather plus the two out of state trips don't require flying if you don't want it to, you can drive to both.

But in other news, I am hearing that OC clubs are looking to start back up in mid May so sounds like we are close to get the DDs back out and getting some kind of practice, what it will look like I am not sure.
I have heard that Texas has already resumed practice or will start soon. Norcal, CO or other states, have you heard anything about return dates?
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Club has been talking about running small group practices soon and even the HS Coach is kicking around an idea to sneak in a few unofficial games (friendlies) in June.
 
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