College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

Not watching it that closely. Nor do I think I get to find out.

Maybe she cut a deal. Maybe there is a lack of evidence. Maybe there is nothing worthy of the prosecutor's time. Maybe the announcement comes next week.

All I can say is I don't know, and I don't get to know.

(Just don't give me some bogus argument about how you "PROVED" it. )

Sorry about the typo. I meant “probably”, but neither facts nor rational thought seem to matter much here, so whatever.
 
Sorry about the typo. I meant “probably”, but neither facts nor rational thought seem to matter much here, so whatever.

You are probably right but there is a big chasm between "probably" and "certainly" unless/until all information is disclosed. But as @dad4 says, we don't know and we don't get to know. And I'll add, unless they choose to share. Here's the difference between us on this: I'm comfortable that a very logical conclusion may be there wasn't enough for the feds to prosecute and for ucla to fire. That may even be the most logical. But I know a little bit about how criminal investigations/prosecutions work and I know a fair amount more about employment hiring and firing decisions so I do know that feds may choose not to prosecute for various reasons independent of absolute guilt or innocence and I know a lot of employers that choose not to fire despite knowing that an employee has committed infractions. But - and please read this carefully - I don't know what happened, don't necessarily think that that happened and don't want any of that to have happened. But I'm not a child so I know that I want is not always the way things are and I also know that, even if it turns out I'm correct, it's never a good approach to be so certain about things when I don't have full and complete knowledge.

And still you don't address the pink elephant in the corner. How does a player get listed on the roster with a fake profile?
 
You are probably right but there is a big chasm between "probably" and "certainly" unless/until all information is disclosed. But as @dad4 says, we don't know and we don't get to know. And I'll add, unless they choose to share. Here's the difference between us on this: I'm comfortable that a very logical conclusion may be there wasn't enough for the feds to prosecute and for ucla to fire. That may even be the most logical. But I know a little bit about how criminal investigations/prosecutions work and I know a fair amount more about employment hiring and firing decisions so I do know that feds may choose not to prosecute for various reasons independent of absolute guilt or innocence and I know a lot of employers that choose not to fire despite knowing that an employee has committed infractions. But - and please read this carefully - I don't know what happened, don't necessarily think that that happened and don't want any of that to have happened. But I'm not a child so I know that I want is not always the way things are and I also know that, even if it turns out I'm correct, it's never a good approach to be so certain about things when I don't have full and complete knowledge.

And still you don't address the pink elephant in the corner. How does a player get listed on the roster with a fake profile?
Excellent points sir. I watched Smokey and The Bandit and Cledus was just a real nice guy and had bandits back and keeping them Smokeys off his ass. Carrie was my first actress I liked as a kid. I'm just only curious how the pink Ele in the corner.
 
You are probably right but there is a big chasm between "probably" and "certainly" unless/until all information is disclosed. But as @dad4 says, we don't know and we don't get to know. And I'll add, unless they choose to share. Here's the difference between us on this: I'm comfortable that a very logical conclusion may be there wasn't enough for the feds to prosecute and for ucla to fire. That may even be the most logical. But I know a little bit about how criminal investigations/prosecutions work and I know a fair amount more about employment hiring and firing decisions so I do know that feds may choose not to prosecute for various reasons independent of absolute guilt or innocence and I know a lot of employers that choose not to fire despite knowing that an employee has committed infractions. But - and please read this carefully - I don't know what happened, don't necessarily think that that happened and don't want any of that to have happened. But I'm not a child so I know that I want is not always the way things are and I also know that, even if it turns out I'm correct, it's never a good approach to be so certain about things when I don't have full and complete knowledge.

And still you don't address the pink elephant in the corner. How does a player get listed on the roster with a fake profile?

UCLA does not get to “choose to share”. California law is very specific with respect to what a school may and may not discuss with respect to both student and employee investigations. I went over this a year ago when “taxpayers” first started clambering that they employ Cromwell and were therefore entitled to know what is going on. I can also tell with absolute certainty that you know enough about criminal prosecutions and employment decisions to be embarrassing yourself without knowing it. A few more episodes of the Office and Law and Order might be in order.

I don’t need to know how she got listed on the website, because I know the reason was insufficient to justify Cromwell’s termination. It was sufficient to justify Salcedo’s though. I know that because that is what happened. Regardless, I already told you why it happened. Just because you don’t like the answer, it is not my problem.
 
I can also tell with absolute certainty that you know enough about criminal prosecutions and employment decisions to be embarrassing yourself without knowing it. A few more episodes of the Office and Law and Order might be in order.

Winner! You got it, EOTL. You know everything about me and these two sentences show it.

(also, lawyers are taught to read carefully. All those cases they have to read in law school, right? I know you know b/c you are clearly an attorney. But you may have missed the part when I have said - a few times but buried in some of the comments - that I'd like your version to be right. So even though you have already told me why it happened - and, I know. I should accept it as conclusive fact. I mean, you did use "duh" twice and that's usually reserved for really important, mic-dropping points - and even though I have told you I hope you are right, somehow you are concluding that I don't like the answer. I like the answer. I really like the answer. But L&O is on - it's always on, I think - so I'm dropping this for a while to continue my legal training)
 
Be careful what you say. Some people here get very upset when you don’t accuse Cromwell of being part of a CONSPIRACY that included not only Singer BUT ALSO Dan Guerrero and the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT itself.

It makes no SENSE that Cromwell didn’t do anything to merit termination because HOW CAN YOU HAVE A CONSPIRACY if she actually got fired, and then what would we have to SPECULATE about? In other words, the FACT that SHE did NOT get FIRED is PROOF that SHE deserved TO get FIRED.
LOL, being a dirt bag is not a crime. Wire Fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy to defraud the US are.
 
Winner! You got it, EOTL. You know everything about me and these two sentences show it.

(also, lawyers are taught to read carefully. All those cases they have to read in law school, right? I know you know b/c you are clearly an attorney. But you may have missed the part when I have said - a few times but buried in some of the comments - that I'd like your version to be right. So even though you have already told me why it happened - and, I know. I should accept it as conclusive fact. I mean, you did use "duh" twice and that's usually reserved for really important, mic-dropping points - and even though I have told you I hope you are right, somehow you are concluding that I don't like the answer. I like the answer. I really like the answer. But L&O is on - it's always on, I think - so I'm dropping this for a while to continue my legal training)
I think coach dad is attorney snowman...... That's a 10/4 good buddy. Good job :) I never watched law & order. Hey coach dad, why do you even care about all this? Most of us are just asking a elephant in the room question. Peak a boo......lol!
 
I think coach dad is attorney snowman...... That's a 10/4 good buddy. Good job :) I never watched law & order. Hey coach dad, why do you even care about all this? Most of us are just asking a elephant in the room question. Peak a boo......lol!

Why do I care? Just make up a conspiracy theory. That’s the game we’re playing right?
 
per LA Times..."students admitted through UCLA’s process for athletes are required to be “athletically qualified” and play on the team for at least the first year in school"

"One of the students, Lauren Isackson, who had not played competitive soccer in high school, was listed on the 2017 women’s soccer roster. She never played in a game. "
We know that Ms. Isackson was placed on the roster. We know she was not "athletically qualified". If the LA Times is correct, this is one known case of a requirement being broken.

Did Ms Isackson play on the team for at least the first year in school? If not, this would be another case of a requirement being broken.

I did notice that Ms. Isackson was not included in the team photograph. Does anyone know if she ever participated in practice?
 
"Full House" going to the Big House...maybe Mossimo will design Covid masks for fellow inmates?

Yikes!!! Do you think they got all the cheaters in this scandal?

"By Friday, 24 of the 36 parents charged will have pleaded guilty, including "Desperate Housewives" star Felicity Huffman, who received a 14-day prison sentence."
 
Yikes!!! Do you think they got all the cheaters in this scandal?

"By Friday, 24 of the 36 parents charged will have pleaded guilty, including "Desperate Housewives" star Felicity Huffman, who received a 14-day prison sentence."

No sure more cheaters didn't get caught and I still heard coaching saying minimum NCCA GPA and requirements are all that's need for us to get you in our program.

Not a bad deal for them but now they are convicts, has cost her family millions I would think.

Giannulli’s agreement states he will serve five months in prison, pay a $250,000 fine and have two years of supervised release with 250 hours of community service.

Both agreements are subject to the court’s approval.

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No sure more cheaters didn't get caught and I still heard coaching saying minimum NCCA GPA and requirements are all that's need for us to get you in our program.

Not a bad deal for them but now they are convicts, has cost her family millions I would think.

Giannulli’s agreement states he will serve five months in prison, pay a $250,000 fine and have two years of supervised release with 250 hours of community service.

Both agreements are subject to the court’s approval.

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In October 2019, the USC Registrar confirmed that Olivia and her sister were no longer enrolled at the university, but, due to student privacy laws, the university did not confirm if the sisters were expelled. <Wikipedia>
 
Well this story just keeps going

Ex-USC soccer coach tells of faking athletic credentials

I hope these people who are going to trial get put away for awhile. Those who pled guilty got off pretty easy. They are all so obviously guilty, yet their arrogance has them taking it to trial.
 
Well this story just keeps going

Ex-USC soccer coach tells of faking athletic credentials

I read somewhere that coaches got together and split the $50,000 cash among themselves. Another ex-sailing coach said he can;t have all top A+ sailors on the team because they all can;t start. We all know if A+ player is not on the boat they will get all pissed. So you look for C+ sailors who dont give a shit if they sail that day or not. They need to make mama & papa happy by attending Big U. This Rick guy made the cash calls and was the deal maker. This really helps me get a better understanding on how this game works behind the scenes. My mother would be so sad to hear this kind of news from her school :(
 
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Well this story just keeps going

Ex-USC soccer coach tells of faking athletic credentials

My kid got some training from this coach way back in the ulittles days. In the right moment, the lure of hard cash can make fools of any of us.
 
My kid got some training from this coach way back in the ulittles days. In the right moment, the lure of hard cash can make fools of any of us.

The UCLA men's coach that was busted was actually scheduled to observe and talk with my son and his team the day his involvement became public. Been there previously and was ramping up his recruitment efforts.
 
I read somewhere that coaches got together and split the $50,000 cash among themselves. Another ex-sailing coach said he can;t have all top A+ sailors on the team because they all can;t start. We all know if A+ player is not on the boat they will get all pissed. So you look for C+ sailors who dont give a shit if they sail that day or not. They need to make mama & papa happy by attending Big U. This Rick guy made the cash calls and was the deal maker. This really helps me get a better understanding on how this game works behind the scenes. My mother would be so sad to hear this kind of news from her school :(

There where/is millions involved and some of them ended up was houses, toys, and vacations that normal college coaches or admins couldn't afford that the govt later proclaimed as illicit.

This scandal did lift the the veil on some of the potential back doors to get in and most university tighten up the pass the potential unqualified students through with lesser educational or qualifications deal some coaches became accustomed to.
 
There where/is millions involved and some of them ended up was houses, toys, and vacations that normal college coaches or admins couldn't afford that the govt later proclaimed as illicit.

This scandal did lift the the veil on some of the potential back doors to get in and most university tighten up the pass the potential unqualified students through with lesser educational or qualifications deal some coaches became accustomed to.
I get it man. I've learned a lot over the years with girls soccer.
 
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