Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Thanks for posting....Massive lawsuits will hit USSF for many reasons, this article just spells out one.....
I assume you mean clubs in GDA who don't get ECNL suing, but what would they be suing for? What would be the basis of "massive lawsuits"? They maybe hired some people and may need to let them go. They may have bought some equipment but hey ho. Their coaches may have had to get higher grade badges, but so what - they are now more qualified. Genuinely, I don't see what the basis would be and certainly don't see any "massive" settlements. Its not like they were all free (were any?) and even if some were subsidized, that money came from non GDA parents in the club or tournaments or sponsors.

You couldn't make up the NCFC stuff in that article and if you did, nobody would believe you.
 
I would normally agree with this assessment, except participation in the boys ECNL likely swings in favor of Beach and Legends. I would bet 90% for Beach and 80% for Legends (lower only because of the Arsenal input). Surf and RSC are not locks -- depends on how they handled their exit from ECNL. As you said, ECNL rewards loyalty.

I expect most other Socal clubs are going to be left out. Would not be surprised if they add another AZ (Tucson) club.

No more than 5 clubs will be added to SW ECNL if this goes down, my bet would be 4. Just a prediction.

AZ-Tucson has no strong girls programs, so I can't see how they would get a spot. They have the boys ECNL team, FC Tucson, but they are probably the weakest of the AZ boys teams.

RSL-AZ does have boys ECNL, and boys DA (08-06), so may have the best chance of an ECNL girls spot, but I'd expect Rising & Arsenal wouldn't be happy with that. It would be ironic in Phoenix - Del Sol & Sereno (RSL) were the ECNL clubs and kept Rising (Blackhawks) & Arsenal out for years ...
 
I assume you mean clubs in GDA who don't get ECNL suing, but what would they be suing for? What would be the basis of "massive lawsuits"? They maybe hired some people and may need to let them go. They may have bought some equipment but hey ho. Their coaches may have had to get higher grade badges, but so what - they are now more qualified. Genuinely, I don't see what the basis would be and certainly don't see any "massive" settlements. Its not like they were all free (were any?) and even if some were subsidized, that money came from non GDA parents in the club or tournaments or sponsors.

You couldn't make up the NCFC stuff in that article and if you did, nobody would believe you.

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AZ-Tucson has no strong girls programs, so I can't see how they would get a spot. They have the boys ECNL team, FC Tucson, but they are probably the weakest of the AZ boys teams.

RSL-AZ does have boys ECNL, and boys DA (08-06), so may have the best chance of an ECNL girls spot, but I'd expect Rising & Arsenal wouldn't be happy with that. It would be ironic in Phoenix - Del Sol & Sereno (RSL) were the ECNL clubs and kept Rising (Blackhawks) & Arsenal out for years ...
FC Tucson is not strong. That is not a good addition to girls ECNL.

So some inside funny on Blackhawks (now Rising) and Sereno (now RSL)
- for years del Sol and Sereno (both ECNL) would take the best girls from the other clubs once the entry year for ECNL started.
- then DA was announced. del Sol jumped to DA and Sereno stayed ECNL. So a Blackhawks coach told the girls don't go to DA tryouts (lots of girls were going to tryouts, so the club was concerned), and told the parents there is a good chance this new DA league will fold in a few years. He preached loyalty to the club. A month later he jumped to Sereno to coach an ECNL team. Wouldn't it be funny if he was right about DA.
- So he jumps to Sereno. Sereno gets a go getter guy in charge and gets DA and a deal where the MLS RSL club helps fund the club. Wouldn't it be funny if he got the club to leave ECNL to get DA only to lose DA and maybe not get ECNL again.
- And another entertaining one. Once Sereno got DA (they later became RSL) he (the director) called all the parents together for a meeting. He proudly proclaimed that RSL was one of just a few clubs that has both DA and ECNL. A parent asked about DPL. He told everyone DPL isn't even legit. Not a league and to be happy that RSL has ECNL which is a great top national league. The following week ECNL took it away from RSL. So there was another meeting the following week. He proudly told the parents about the pathway and the club is very lucky to have both DA and DPL. A parent asked about ECNL. He said ECNL is a 2nd tier league not worth their time and DPL is perfect for those kids wanting to work into DA OR for those who wanted to play HS.

Always kind of fun to remember the things the track suit salesmen told parents.

Now my chuckle is related to the sales various clubs/coaches do. Unfortunately in all of this kids get caught up in all this crap and that part sucks big time.
 
FC Tucson is not strong. That is not a good addition to girls ECNL.

So some inside funny on Blackhawks (now Rising) and Sereno (now RSL)
- for years del Sol and Sereno (both ECNL) would take the best girls from the other clubs once the entry year for ECNL started.
- then DA was announced. del Sol jumped to DA and Sereno stayed ECNL. So a Blackhawks coach told the girls don't go to DA tryouts (lots of girls were going to tryouts, so the club was concerned), and told the parents there is a good chance this new DA league will fold in a few years. He preached loyalty to the club. A month later he jumped to Sereno to coach an ECNL team. Wouldn't it be funny if he was right about DA.
- So he jumps to Sereno. Sereno gets a go getter guy in charge and gets DA and a deal where the MLS RSL club helps fund the club. Wouldn't it be funny if he got the club to leave ECNL to get DA only to lose DA and maybe not get ECNL again.
- And another entertaining one. Once Sereno got DA (they later became RSL) he (the director) called all the parents together for a meeting. He proudly proclaimed that RSL was one of just a few clubs that has both DA and ECNL. A parent asked about DPL. He told everyone DPL isn't even legit. Not a league and to be happy that RSL has ECNL which is a great top national league. The following week ECNL took it away from RSL. So there was another meeting the following week. He proudly told the parents about the pathway and the club is very lucky to have both DA and DPL. A parent asked about ECNL. He said ECNL is a 2nd tier league not worth their time and DPL is perfect for those kids wanting to work into DA OR for those who wanted to play HS.

Always kind of fun to remember the things the track suit salesmen told parents.

Now my chuckle is related to the sales various clubs/coaches do. Unfortunately in all of this kids get caught up in all this crap and that part sucks big time.
It never ends. I had a similar story too. ECNL one day and then DPL the next.
 
Thanks for posting....Massive lawsuits will hit USSF for many reasons, this article just spells out one.....

What’s up with your fixation over lawsuits? There aren’t going to be massive lawsuits against USSF as a result of disbanding the DA. It never promised anyone DA would last forever. You also apparently never read the mandatory arbitration agreements with class waivers that USSF has made everyone besides union workers sign ever since it got hit with the concussion class action many years ago.
 
It never ends. I had a similar story too. ECNL one day and then DPL the next.

Tomorrow that will be something else.

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ECNL has bylaws and clubs apply for membership. clubs don't just get in because they want to or due to another league not playing. Voting happens on each application for membership. At this point the 20-21' season process was already done. Will they open that back up?
 
Tomorrow that will be something else.

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ECNL has bylaws and clubs apply for membership. clubs don't just get in because they want to or due to another league not playing. Voting happens on each application for membership. At this point the 20-21' season process was already done. Will they open that back up?

Depends on whether ECNL and its partner US Club want the opportunity to build and control the whole competitive youth soccer pyramid or if they’d rather peel off a couple more DA clubs and let the rest spin. ECNL and it’s clubs have some degree of bitterness towards the DA clubs, many of them were perfectly happy to leave ECNL in the lurch when GDA could have killed it (and probably would have if the folks running US Soccer were not so incredibly incompetent and inflexible on things like the no hs rule and their dumb licensing and staffing requirements). But we’re also in the middle of a pandemic, there’s a lot of uncertainty as to what the fall will look like, and giving all the DA clubs a home would (a) provide an option for more locally concentrated leagues and less travel, which may be necessary and certainly will be less burdensome on struggling families; (b) creating a two tiered ECNL league and more showcases (the DA dates and venues should be available), which means more $ for the people running ECNL; (c) attracting a bunch of usysa clubs by creating regional leagues with some kind of pro/rel into the second tier of ECNL and some kind of tournament that includes non-ECNL teams; and (d) working with us soccer provide scouting and education support and to turn pdp into an odp like platform pool of players who could be in the mix for ynt spots.
 
My kid's experience was this. She played other sports (she was actually named Orange County athlete of the year her senior year and is very proud of that). She committed to the school that she just graduated from as a sophomore and played 4 years of varsity high school soccer. Was there a large skill gap on her team? Somewhat. She had 4 other players who went on to play D1 college soccer on her team. She was in student government and in a few clubs. If my daughter can have it all so can yours and others. We never saw anybody try to take her out while playing high school soccer so I am not sure that is an actual thing.. She played ODP and won two ODP National Championships. She just finished college in December after her 4th and final college season and she already graduated last June and has two college cup appearances, an Elite Eight and a Sweet 16 appearance to go along with 92 starts in 92 games played. She is now a professional player in the NWSL and is in the process of studying for the LSAT ( a good use of her quarantine time for sure). She remembers more about her high school team than about her club teams and her college team has created a group of friends for life.

I only went to about a dozen high school games of hers over her 4 year career. I rarely missed a club game and only missed one of her college games. I used to think that high school soccer was a waste of her time. She proved me wrong. Good luck to you and your player.

In my experience, the parents who’ve been dogmatic in their belief that there’s one right way to make a great soccer player tend to have daughters who are neither great soccer players nor particularly successful at much of anything. Have any of the anti-HS folks here ever had a daughter play and make a meaningful contribution in the PAC-12 or ACC? Or go to med, law or business school? If so, please stand up.
 
With all this guessing on who’s going to ECNL, read this...looks like this new LASC (Some of the Old LA Surf DA/SoCal Academy) is going ECNL sooner than later..


To The Families of Strikers FC ECNL & Los Angeles Soccer Club,

We hope all of you are safe and healthy as you read this. The past few weeks have been incredibly challenging for our families and communities, stressing all aspects of our home, work and school lives. Activities we took for granted in February now seem like distant memories. Whatever your family’s individual situation, we hope that you are well, and being kind to yourself as you manage through this once-in-a-generation event.

While it is impossible to know for certain how long this period will last, when we’ll be able to resume “normal” life, and what that life will look like in the weeks and months ahead, we wanted you to know that we have not stopped looking for ways to improve our organizations, the opportunities for our players and the community at large. The last month has, in fact, been a rare opportunity to focus on how we can make our clubs and our community stronger when we come out of this tremendous period of uncertainty.

It is along these lines that we are proud to announce a working partnership between Los Angeles Soccer Club and Strikers FC ECNL to expand Girls ECNL’s footprint into the San Gabriel Valley. The partnership brings together two incredible organizations each focused on player development and leadership on and off the field, fostering a sense of club citizenship and ownership by our players and families, and creating strong ties to the communities we play in. Both Strikers and LASC will continue to operate under their own identity while working together to bring some of Southern California’s strongest coaching talent under the same roof, creating a bridge between two talented player pools in Los Angeles and Orange County.

As we move through this period of uncertainty, we want all of you to know we will have an even stronger program waiting for the players when they return to the fields. Additional details will follow in the weeks ahead, but for now, continue to be safe, focus on family and know that our community will rebuild stronger than ever before.

Sincerely,

Rob Fisher, Strikers FC ECNL
Matt Bradbury, Los Angeles Soccer Club

Wow, so this just happened!? Who wins here on this partnership? Seems like an expansion for Strikers FC but dont know how players will benefit.
 
Long time. Hope everyone is well. Solar Dallas 04 dad here. Just my DD’s perspective but she is excited about the possibility of playing HS soccer next year and playing ECNL. Guess we will see
How this unfolds on Wednesday.

When USSF President was announced I immediately googled her and discovered she was at a NC club that promoted a pyramid that held ECNL as their highest format and noticed the club had a relationship with NC Coursge which struck me odd. Next thing you know nC courage is all in on ecnl. Man I can’t say I saw that part coming but as soon as I saw what club she came from I said to our director that I would be willing to bet she is going to take DA down or get it out from under USSF.

excited to see if I’m right.

but at the end of the day my daughter is just as excited about playing ecnl and HS as she was about DA the past several years. Heck at this point like all our kids she is just itching to play!
 
I assume you mean clubs in GDA who don't get ECNL suing, but what would they be suing for? What would be the basis of "massive lawsuits"? They maybe hired some people and may need to let them go. They may have bought some equipment but hey ho. Their coaches may have had to get higher grade badges, but so what - they are now more qualified. Genuinely, I don't see what the basis would be and certainly don't see any "massive" settlements. Its not like they were all free (were any?) and even if some were subsidized, that money came from non GDA parents in the club or tournaments or sponsors.

You couldn't make up the NCFC stuff in that article and if you did, nobody would believe you.

It takes years to build up a reputation while it takes minutes to destroy it. Business litigation takes many forms, including contract disputes, misrepresentation, PR issues, breach, false advertising, etc. All these have the potential to bring about unwanted consequences. You honestly think a piece of paper/agreement will stop severe legal action. It didn’t stop the WNT destroying the league :eek:
 
It takes years to build up a reputation while it takes minutes to destroy it. Business litigation takes many forms, including contract disputes, misrepresentation, PR issues, breach, false advertising, etc. All these have the potential to bring about unwanted consequences. You honestly think a piece of paper/agreement will stop severe legal action. It didn’t stop the WNT destroying the league :eek:

Ha ha. What is the particular legal basis upon which you foresee litigation and what facts support it? What contractual provision was breached? What exactly did USSF falsely advertise, where did they falsely advertise and who was the USSF rep who falsely advertised? What was the misrepresentation? Who relied on it to their detriment and how so? Please share your wealth of knowledge to support the impending massive litigation that takes many forms and the smell of which is going to fly out the window.

What league did the WNT destroy again? Are you saying that the WNT seeking equal (actually more) pay that they deserve ruined the Development Academy? How dare the little ladies ask to be treated fairly. They just need to shut up and get back into the kitchen where they belong.
 
Ha ha. What is the particular legal basis upon which you foresee litigation and what facts support it? What contractual provision was breached? What exactly did USSF falsely advertise, where did they falsely advertise and who was the USSF rep who falsely advertised? What was the misrepresentation? Who relied on it to their detriment and how so? Please share your wealth of knowledge to support the impending massive litigation that takes many forms and the smell of which is going to fly out the window.

What league did the WNT destroy again? Are you saying that the WNT seeking equal (actually more) pay that they deserve ruined the Development Academy? How dare the little ladies ask to be treated fairly. They just need to shut up and get back into the kitchen where they belong.
So emotional. Why?
 
Ha ha. What is the particular legal basis upon which you foresee litigation and what facts support it? What contractual provision was breached? What exactly did USSF falsely advertise, where did they falsely advertise and who was the USSF rep who falsely advertised? What was the misrepresentation? Who relied on it to their detriment and how so? Please share your wealth of knowledge to support the impending massive litigation that takes many forms and the smell of which is going to fly out the window.

What league did the WNT destroy again? Are you saying that the WNT seeking equal (actually more) pay that they deserve ruined the Development Academy? How dare the little ladies ask to be treated fairly. They just need to shut up and get back into the kitchen where they belong.
Damn it, @EOTL! I was right there with ya on this post until you throw in the “ more than they deserve” comment. Who are you to say what they deserve? As far as I’m concerned, they deserve AT LEAST what they’re asking for.
 
So emotional. Why?
EOTL seems to like to make people angry, and play stupid when presented with arguments.

He's also doing a pretty good job of changing my opinion on ECNL. I used to like it.

EOTL has made it pretty clear that this is a power struggle between clubs, and that the kids/parents don't matter one bit. Good to find that out now, I guess. Better than spending 20K to give my dd a chance to blow her ACL.
 
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