ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

MacDre said:
They are not promoting gang life, they are expressing their reality as descendants of former slaves. Gangs were around prior to Rap. Regan and Hoover put the drugs in the community-COINTELPRO
I think sometimes white folks don’t realize how recent slavery was. So let me give you some perspective...My daughter born in 2007 is the first person in my family that hasn’t been born into servitude and having to work in the fields or clean people’s houses. To take it a step further, I looked at the slave roles for my grandparents when slavery was abolished and 85% of the slaves were 12-14 years old. Sick shit. And relatively recent.
It must be nice to have to have so much privilege that you only have to concern yourself with what’s going on in your bubble. It must be nice to tell your kid to do their best instead of having to tell them that their best isn’t good enough because they have to be better.

I envy your privilege.
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Sorry... that's bullshit. They know nothing about slavery because they weren't slaves, their parents weren't slaves and their grandparents weren't slaves. That's an excuse. A black man and woman can be as successful as anyone today if they value education and hard work. Not in every environment, but nobody has that. Stop with the "Hoover put the drugs in" bullshit, too. At some point you have to look in the mirror and accept responsibility for your actions. You don't get to blame Hoover for rap music glorifying violence, guns, drugs, etc. All that does is perpetuate the stereotype that you can't get out of the hood any other way and THIS is how you make it. Fucking Nipsey Hussle calling himself a Messiah was a complete joke. "He gave back to the community by being a role model." Really? Rolling into the hood wearing 5 gold chains and a Mercedes, saying "don't do what I did" is supposed to be a good thing? LMAO! Who is stupid enough to buy that? You don't get to promote violence and the thug life and then cry that you're profiled. Two black on black shootings at that fucking guy's funeral. Seriously?

What's wrong with cleaning people's houses? I'm white and got a part time job when I was 15. That's not servitude. That's called "if you want a car and spending money, you help pay for it." What the fuck? I'm not condoning slavery... but that "I'm a descendant" has run its course.
 
MacDre said:
So for me the right coach is one that has love for my kid and a vested interest in their future because they see my kid as a future leaders of the community.
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That is it in a nutshell.

I believe action speaks louder than words. I avoided those that had sales pitch and made promises I knew they could t keep. I guess. growing up in the game gave me some insight and perspective in figuring out what I felt was right or wrong. Unfortunately some times you don’t discover the dirty underbelly until it’s too late so it becomes a lesson learned.
 
The Outlaw said:
Truthfully, I had 4 black kids in my school. A brother/sister combo. Brother was a very good athlete and I'm not aware of anybody treating him badly. Sister was pretty and likable. Same there. The other two guys were also very likable but, as I look back on it now, I wonder if they were bojangles'ing it to be accepted or if they were really just that funny and cheerful all the time. I hope it was the latter, but I never saw any of them treated poorly... knowing that means very little. Actually, at 16, most of the guys I played with were Mexican and they fucked with this white boy more than anything. It was always in good fun, though.
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I heard Landon got it real good too by the Mexican players. I wonder why they were tough on him? Anyway, you seem like one who has a lot of pain too. My mom had a lot of pain as did my dad. My dad was married and lost his first wife and baby at birth because the Doc was drunk and did a big mistake that killed his wife and baby. Mistakes happen but that experienced kept my father from wanting kids. He met my mom after her husband died at 36 of a heart attacked. They got married and adopted and fostered 8 kids. Cool story. However, my dad got that dreaded Parkinson's disease when I was 7 and I watched die at the VA hospital in Long Beach when I was 19. Talk about treating our Vets like crap, don't get me started. Life is full of pain and pain has all colors to it.
 
MacDre said:
They are not promoting gang life, they are expressing their reality as descendants of former slaves. Gangs were around prior to Rap. Regan and Hoover put the drugs in the community-COINTELPRO
I think sometimes white folks don’t realize how recent slavery was. So let me give you some perspective...My daughter born in 2007 is the first person in my family that hasn’t been born into servitude and having to work in the fields or clean people’s houses. To take it a step further, I looked at the slave roles for my grandparents when slavery was abolished and 85% of the slaves were 12-14 years old. Sick shit. And relatively recent.
It must be nice to have to have so much privilege that you only have to concern yourself with what’s going on in your bubble. It must be nice to tell your kid to do their best instead of having to tell them that their best isn’t good enough because they have to be better.

I envy your privilege.
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Please don't engage with this guy over this. He's not arguing in good faith.
 
Kicker4Life said:
That is it in a nutshell.

I believe action speaks louder than words. I avoided those that had sales pitch and made promises I knew they could t keep. I guess. growing up in the game gave me some insight and perspective in figuring out what I felt was right or wrong. Unfortunately some times you don’t discover the dirty underbelly until it’s too late so it becomes a lesson learned.
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Finally we get to the truth from Kicker. Where did you grow up "in the game" Kicker? One of the Presidents of a big club grew up in the NBA game. That will help me understand where you coming from. You obviously had way more insight then I did. Man, me going for all those sales pitches. I see you laughing at me Kicker. Just wait bud....lol!!
 
The Outlaw said:
Sorry... that's bullshit. They know nothing about slavery because they weren't slaves, their parents weren't slaves and their grandparents weren't slaves. That's an excuse. A black man and woman can be as successful as anyone today if they value education and hard work. Not in every environment, but nobody has that. Stop with the "Hoover put the drugs in" bullshit, too. At some point you have to look in the mirror and accept responsibility for your actions. You don't get to blame Hoover for rap music glorifying violence, guns, drugs, etc. All that does is perpetuate the stereotype that you can't get out of the hood any other way and THIS is how you make it. Fucking Nipsey Hussle calling himself a Messiah was a complete joke. "He gave back to the community by being a role model." Really? Rolling into the hood wearing 5 gold chains and a Mercedes, saying "don't do what I did" is supposed to be a good thing? LMAO! Who is stupid enough to buy that? You don't get to promote violence and the thug life and then cry that you're profiled. Two black on black shootings at that fucking guy's funeral. Seriously?

What's wrong with cleaning people's houses? I'm white and got a part time job when I was 15. That's not servitude. That's called "if you want a car and spending money, you help pay for it." What the fuck? I'm not condoning slavery... but that "I'm a descendant" has run its course.
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Your funny...cleaning a house for a car or spending money when you were 15. My family cleaned houses to put food on the tables as grown ass people and usually walked or rode the bus to work. I usually missed school in the fall because I had to pull tobacco so my family could eat. In the spring, I had to cut trees and stack wood so the wood could dry by winter and we wouldn’t freeze.
Now the tobacco industry is gone and all the textile mills are overseas. Public schools are underfunded. So the youth sell drugs. Sad.

No one wants to sell drugs. People are trying to feed their kids. There are only so many jobs at Walmart.
 
Ellejustus said:
I heard Landon got it real good too by the Mexican players. I wonder why they were tough on him? Anyway, you seem like one who has a lot of pain too. My mom had a lot of pain as did my dad. My dad was married and lost his first wife and baby at birth because the Doc was drunk and did a big mistake that killed his wife and baby. Mistakes happen but that experienced kept my father from wanting kids. He met my mom after her husband died at 36 of a heart attacked. They got married and adopted and fostered 8 kids. Cool story. However, my dad got that dreaded Parkinson's disease when I was 7 and I watched die at the VA hospital in Long Beach when I was 19. Talk about treating our Vets like crap, don't get me started. Life is full of pain and pain has all colors to it.
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No, I don't have a lot of pain. I'm not sure where you get that idea. I've worked hard and be relatively fortunate. Sorry that's not the case for you.
 
The Outlaw said:
No, I don't have a lot of pain. I'm not sure where you get that idea. I've worked hard and be relatively fortunate. Sorry that's not the case for you.
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Your a liar Outlaw. No one on this planet escapes pain or death. Nice try. Life is full of pain. Kicker's life is better than my life because Kicker say's it is. No pain, no gain bro.
 
MacDre said:
Your funny...cleaning a house for a car or spending money when you were 15. My family cleaned houses to put food on the tables as grown ass people and usually walked or rode the bus to work. I usually missed school in the fall because I had to pull tobacco so my family could eat. In the spring, I had to cut trees and stack wood so the wood could dry by winter and we wouldn’t freeze.
Now the tobacco industry is gone and all the textile mills are overseas. Public schools are underfunded. So the youth sell drugs. Sad.

No one wants to sell drugs. People are trying to feed their kids. There are only so many jobs at Walmart.
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No, I didn't say I cleaned houses. I said there's nothing wrong with cleaning houses. I rode my bike 5 miles each way to flip hamburger patties for minimum wage like many other kids my age. I worked all through high school and paid for most of my college... by working after school and on weekends when many other kids were partying. My parents did the same thing. I get it... everyone has it differently. I grew up with kids that never worked until after college. Life isn't fair. What you're telling me is that none of the drug dealers want to do it. So are you saying many aren't doing it because they can make absurd money for half a day's work and not pay taxes on the income? Public schools ARE underfunded... and I'd rather see our tax dollars go to schools rather than making sure jail and prison inmates get a free ride for things like food, medical, education and "rent" per say. But then people would whine that it's inhumane to make murderers, rapists and thieves have to earn a living like the rest of us.
 
Ellejustus said:
Your a liar Outlaw. No one on this planet escapes pain or death. Nice try. Life is full of pain. Kicker's life is better than my life because Kicker say's it is. No pain, no gain bro.
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It's actually "you're" and not "your" a liar... and no, I'm not a liar. I told you I don't have a lot of pain. I never said I escaped pain or death.
 
I dont go to class like you saint Outlaw or go work after school like a good boy should. No sir, I was out running the streets (beaches) and smoking hippie lettuce among many other things. It was the 70s. One of my rich white friends dad made millions. I'll share how later. Anyway, he brings out this white rock and I was hooked for 6 months. The first time I took a line, I played hoops and I was by far the best that night. It was fun until he ask me for money. The dad ended up going to jail for along time because of some "white" color crime. I think we all made some mistakes and in once since or sense, were all guilty of crimes against ourselves, others and humanity. Outlaw has very little pain in life and did everything write as a white boy. Black people just need to do the same and all will be ok for them. Your so lost dude your full of hate!!!!
 
The Outlaw said:
No, I didn't say I cleaned houses. I said there's nothing wrong with cleaning houses. I rode my bike 5 miles each way to flip hamburger patties for minimum wage like many other kids my age. I worked all through high school and paid for most of my college... by working after school and on weekends when many other kids were partying. My parents did the same thing. I get it... everyone has it differently. I grew up with kids that never worked until after college. Life isn't fair. What you're telling me is that none of the drug dealers want to do it. So are you saying many aren't doing it because they can make absurd money for half a day's work and not pay taxes on the income? Public schools ARE underfunded... and I'd rather see our tax dollars go to schools rather than making sure jail and prison inmates get a free ride for things like food, medical, education and "rent" per say. But then people would whine that it's inhumane to make murderers, rapists and thieves have to earn a living like the rest of us.
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Yep. Selling drugs is a high-risk minimum wage job without benefits. The only people making the money are the kingpins.
 
MacDre said:
Yep. Selling drugs is a high-risk minimum wage job without benefits. The only people making the money are the kingpins.
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Nothing like grown up rich white millionaire dads in club soccer lying to 11 year old girl and her dad. I'm supposed to have Kickers insight and no(know) that the grown ups from Rancho Sante Fe will lie to me and her, all so they could win #10 championship and become the #1 club in the GDA. Thanks guys, I super appreciate you all lying to me. I know I'm dumb and stupid for falling for all it. However, I did and that's why I probably will be here until those losers are out of the game.
 
Ellejustus said:
I dont go to class like you saint Outlaw or go work after school like a good boy should. No sir, I was out running the streets (beaches) and smoking hippie lettuce among many other things. It was the 70s. One of my rich white friends dad made millions. I'll share how later. Anyway, he brings out this white rock and I was hooked for 6 months. The first time I took a line, I played hoops and I was by far the best that night. It was fun until he ask me for money. The dad ended up going to jail for along time because of some "white" color crime. I think we all made some mistakes and in once since or sense, were all guilty of crimes against ourselves, others and humanity. Outlaw has very little pain in life and did everything write as a white boy. Black people just need to do the same and all will be ok for them. Your so lost dude your full of hate!!!!
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LMAO! So I'm full of hate because I was smart enough to avoid drugs and you weren't? Man... I can hear the violins from here.

What's with your inability to grasp your and you're? Is it deliberate? English not your first language?
 
The Outlaw said:
LMAO! So I'm full of hate because I was smart enough to avoid drugs and you weren't? Man... I can hear the violins from here.

What's with your inability to grasp your and you're? Is it deliberate? English not your first language?
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Hey, read my story. I couldn;t speak when I was born. I was deaf. So yes, English was sort of second language. I read my mom's body language and she said I was so smart she didn;t realize I was a dumb deaf mute until I was 3. Can you believe that Outlaw? I was special needs all through k-8th because I stuttered bad after I learned how to talk from my two years of operations when I was 3 and 4. I was labeled dumb by my teachers and school district and probably from guys like you. I would kick your ass on the baseball field or the gym for my revenge. I never went to class in HS because I was told I was stupid because I couldn;t speak in front of people. I liked surfing way more and thought I could be pro surfer until I realized I wasn;t as good as Tom Curren and few others I grew up with. I missed out on being a pro so i thought I could get my dd to do it for me. So my writing skills is poor at best too. I actually quit HS and took the GDE after Sr year hoops season was over. I hated school and I kind of think it's overrated and over sold to our youth. You don;t have to go to college to be successful to be a winner. America is changing and college isnt the only game in town.
 
Here you go Lester Outlaw. You make me puke dude. Your an embarrassment to all white people. I'm sick of your hate. Take a hike jack and go back to them old days.

 
Sorry Ellejustus if that’s your real story. But I take it with a grain of salt since as soccer helper you talked about having 2 D1 coaches lined up for in home interviews with your daughter... but someone astutely asked how that could be so, since discussion with D1 coaches can’t happen till after June 15 after sophomore year of school...

Anyway, you shrugged that story off as ‘sarcastic’. But that isn’t sarcasm. It’s a plain old lie.
 
Giesbock said:
Sorry Ellejustus if that’s your real story. But I take it with a grain of salt since as soccer helper you talked about having 2 D1 coaches lined up for in home interviews with your daughter... but someone astutely asked how that could be so, since discussion with D1 coaches can’t happen till after June 15 after sophomore year of school...

Anyway, you shrugged that story off as ‘sarcastic’. But that isn’t sarcasm. It’s a plain old lie.
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So many of them to count.
 
Ellejustus said:
Hey, read my story. I couldn;t speak when I was born. I was deaf. So yes, English was sort of second language. I read my mom's body language and she said I was so smart she didn;t realize I was a dumb deaf mute until I was 3. Can you believe that Outlaw? I was special needs all through k-8th because I stuttered bad after I learned how to talk from my two years of operations when I was 3 and 4. I was labeled dumb by my teachers and school district and probably from guys like you. I would kick your ass on the baseball field or the gym for my revenge. I never went to class in HS because I was told I was stupid because I couldn;t speak in front of people. I liked surfing way more and thought I could be pro surfer until I realized I wasn;t as good as Tom Curren and few others I grew up with. I missed out on being a pro so i thought I could get my dd to do it for me. So my writing skills is poor at best too. I actually quit HS and took the GDE after Sr year hoops season was over. I hated school and I kind of think it's overrated and over sold to our youth. You don;t have to go to college to be successful to be a winner. America is changing and college isnt the only game in town.
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Great story. Maybe you should back away from calling people "liar" or "lost" or "full of hate" and "privileged" because of your personal issues.
 
Ellejustus said:
Here you go Lester Outlaw. You make me puke dude. Your an embarrassment to all white people. I'm sick of your hate. Take a hike jack and go back to them old days.

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So the truth is hate now? If you disagree, tell me why. If I'm wrong, tell me how. Don't just babble incoherent sentences with spelling people can't decipher. You're the one with 50 profiles and endless time to post. Try using your words instead of memes and videos. I'm capable of debating with you and MacDre. I've disagree'd with him before and I've complimented him before.
 
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