ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

@Ellejustus If you look at wiki at all the girls on the USWNT, they all were Varsity at other sports as well. If you think your daughter is a Goat and she is only good at one thing, well maybe she's just a great player not a Goat. Labron james was the best football player in Cleveland. As unicorn you need to be good at everything. Ronaldinho, Neymar, Pele, Zico, Ronaldo, Messi were elite Futsal players as their second sport. Goats in both.
 
@Ellejustus If you look at wiki at all the girls on the USWNT, they all were Varsity at other sports as well. If you think your daughter is a Goat and she is only good at one thing, well maybe she's just a great player not a Goat. Labron james was the best football player in Cleveland. As unicorn you need to be good at everything. Ronaldinho, Neymar, Pele, Zico, Ronaldo, Messi were elite Futsal players as their second sport. Goats in both.
Futsal is a variant. Not an entirely different sport. Falcao is a true great at futsal.
 
Outlaw, my dd and all her white friends love rap just so you know. One of the rap artist was killed and she cried. I was shocked. Like a good father, I asked her a few questions about why so emotional? She told me all about this guy and his life. We then started listing to his music on the way to school and she share what it all meant, I loved it because their was a message, even a message to an old white dude like me who doesn;t listed to rap that much. My dd loves rap and listens to it before every game, no joke. When she wakes up I will ask her what his name is. Young guy who predicted his death. That is a Legend in my book :)

I appreciate your opinion, but if it's the rapper I think it is, he was a gang member. Most are. RAP, as a whole, glorifies violence and misogyny. Aside from what little talent it takes to babble rhymes into a microphone, I can't support a "music" that glorifies guns, violence, drugs and classifying women as strippers and whores. It would be amusing if so many didn't use it as a religion.
 
@Ellejustus If you look at wiki at all the girls on the USWNT, they all were Varsity at other sports as well. If you think your daughter is a Goat and she is only good at one thing, well maybe she's just a great player not a Goat. Labron james was the best football player in Cleveland. As unicorn you need to be good at everything. Ronaldinho, Neymar, Pele, Zico, Ronaldo, Messi were elite Futsal players as their second sport. Goats in both.

I do agree with this 100%... but the soccer Gods have taken this away. Times have changed and YOU need to receive an invoice 12 months a year.
 
So tired of all these "parents" talking about the "toxic" soccer environment! Be careful, kids learn from their parents and mimic them! Our kids love the soccer going on. If your player doesn't like where they are at, make a change and move on. Sports have never been perfect or fair, any sport actually. Focus on your player, emphasize academics, honesty, character, soccer skills and a strong work ethic. Maybe the problem is this generation thinking that their agenda is more important than anyone else's, or maybe they are trying to fulfill their own failed or unfulfilled dreams. Those who are constantly complaining about one league or another are the very ones contributing to the so called "toxic" environment.
Calling soccer toxic is so over dramatic. I do wish we could play more local competition, as there are many good players my DD doesn’t get to play against often because of the DA/ECNL split. But, our coach set up friendlies with a handful of nearby ECNL teams this past season, and my kids play futsal with top girls from both leagues. It used the be that PDP and ODP provided lots of mixing up, and I thought DA would be the sad end of that. But, NTC, YNT and ID camps all mix up the girls too, so there are still chances. Nothing in life is ideal. We’ve been with the same local club all the way, through good coaches and bad, through the change to DA, etc. None of that mattered much, because most of their development happens in the backyard and at the park.
I hear all these crazy goals parents have for their kids on here. Make money, go pro, college, etc. Those are all byproducts if they happen! I just want my girls to learn to give something their all, hopefully love it enough to keep doing it, learn all that comes with being part of a team and contribute to the betterment of the game. Any additional goals they have are their own and I’m just a resource to them.
 
@Ellejustus If you look at wiki at all the girls on the USWNT, they all were Varsity at other sports as well. If you think your daughter is a Goat and she is only good at one thing, well maybe she's just a great player not a Goat. Labron james was the best football player in Cleveland. As unicorn you need to be good at everything. Ronaldinho, Neymar, Pele, Zico, Ronaldo, Messi were elite Futsal players as their second sport. Goats in both.
I don;t think my dd is a true soccer GOAT at all. I think she falls into almost a goat and can push the true goat to greatness. Someone has to push them. That's my honest take. She can surf, play volleyball, run varsity track in the 100 and lead first 25 meters but lose the race to the true goat in track. My dd speed and quickness, IQ, insane competitive drive, willingness to share the rock and lead others to a championship makes her a great player, but not goat. When she learns how to juggle better and be CIF volleyball champ then we can talk true GOATHOOD. I think she's good enough to run with them and hang and not like when I played pick up ball with Scott Brooks at UCI. I only played defense and never saw the ball. Scottie always had it and I didn;t care because I wanted to win. In every big game my dd has played, she has been a goal in the game. She's faster, quicker, smarter on the field, shares the ball and wins championship a hell of lot more than the pro I know. That pro is better with skills with cones and juggling. I take my chance with learning those things later if the opportunity presents itself. Right now, I don;t see that happening because the girls dont really get paid to juggle.
 
I appreciate your opinion, but if it's the rapper I think it is, he was a gang member. Most are. RAP, as a whole, glorifies violence and misogyny. Aside from what little talent it takes to babble rhymes into a microphone, I can't support a "music" that glorifies guns, violence, drugs and classifying women as strippers and whores. It would be amusing if so many didn't use it as a religion.
I forgot to ask you. Are you white? How old? Where you grow up bro? That will help me understand where your coming from. Thanks
 
Outlaw, my dd and all her white friends love rap just so you know. One of the rap artist was killed and she cried. I was shocked. Like a good father, I asked her a few questions about why so emotional? She told me all about this guy and his life. We then started listing to his music on the way to school and she share what it all meant, I loved it because their was a message, even a message to an old white dude like me who doesn;t listed to rap that much. My dd loves rap and listens to it before every game, no joke. When she wakes up I will ask her what his name is. Young guy who predicted his death. That is a Legend in my book :)
RIP Nipsey. My favorite song by dude.
 
She likes this rapper. Her friend from 8th grade had a sister who killed herself in a tree that they played in. My dd wrote an English paper about it this year. Very deep girl she is and cares about all the girls :)

 
@Ellejustus If you look at wiki at all the girls on the USWNT, they all were Varsity at other sports as well. If you think your daughter is a Goat and she is only good at one thing, well maybe she's just a great player not a Goat. Labron james was the best football player in Cleveland. As unicorn you need to be good at everything. Ronaldinho, Neymar, Pele, Zico, Ronaldo, Messi were elite Futsal players as their second sport. Goats in both.
Very good point. If your kid ain’t an “All American” or something similar forget about playing at a higher level. In fact, I will even say that excelling at more than 1 sport should be a prerequisite to play in leagues like GDA or ECNL.
 
I forgot to ask you. Are you white? How old? Where you grow up bro? That will help me understand where your coming from. Thanks

I grew up in Central CA and am on the 2nd half of life. Enough life and cultural experience to call it what it is instead of pretending to be PC. Played soccer from the age of 9. Never made it but played with guys that did.
 
She likes this rapper. Her friend from 8th grade had a sister who killed herself in a tree that they played in. My dd wrote an English paper about it this year. Very deep girl she is and cares about all the girls :)


Not the one I was thinking off but also a thug. It's unfortunate he was murdered but he wasn't a good human, either. Talks about girls like whores... which, as a father, I refuse to endorse. I don't care if it's cultural or "just music". I'm a rock fan and they aren't much better... but rockers aren't waving guns and drugs around in videos. Promoting gang life and violent culture.
 
Making sure she is with the right group of Coaches (on and off the field).
Good point. But, how does one know what’s right? Is what’s right for your kid right for mine? What was right for your kid last year, is it still right now?

There’s an old African Proverb that states “it takes a village to raise a child” and I grew up in a era where coaches volunteered. Some were preachers, PAL, former athletes, alcoholics, an ex-cons but the one thing they had in common was their love of kids and ties to the community. So for me the right coach is one that has love for my kid and a vested interest in their future because they see my kid as a future leaders of the community.

How can it be right if your kid is just a meal ticket to a coach?
 
Not the one I was thinking off but also a thug. It's unfortunate he was murdered but he wasn't a good human, either. Talks about girls like whores... which, as a father, I refuse to endorse. I don't care if it's cultural or "just music". I'm a rock fan and they aren't much better... but rockers aren't waving guns and drugs around in videos. Promoting gang life and violent culture.
And you are a good human? No one is good, so please, stop the nonsense. Were all broken pieces from the pain caused by others. Once we receive the pain, we give the pain back like you're doing. Fresno bro? Stockton? I know a few plumber dudes from Stockton and those are tough dudes when their all together as a group. When their all alone, their little boys like snoopy the Snoopdog. Rockers, they just had sex with 1000s of girls and can;t remember anything today and with whom. Great roll models the rockers are for my dd.
 
And you are a good human? No one is good, so please, stop the nonsense. Were all broken pieces from the pain caused by others. Once we receive the pain, we give the pain back like you're doing. Fresno bro? Stockton? I know a few plumber dudes from Stockton and those are tough dudes when their all together as a group. When their all alone, their little boys like snoopy the Snoopdog. Rockers, they just had sex with 1000s of girls and can;t remember anything today and with whom. Great roll models the rockers are for my dd.

Yes, I am a good human. What pain am I giving back? Calling out the truth when I see it? That's not pain... that's not running from the truth and perpetuating the problem. I just distinguished the difference between rockers and rappers and you ignored it. Having consensual sex with a 20-year old groupie is different than prostituting a 16-year old because they have no support system and live in fear. Yeah... I get the whole pack mentality and how it works. How is that relevant to anything? It only takes 1 finger to pull a trigger.
 
Good point. But, how does one know what’s right? Is what’s right for your kid right for mine? What was right for your kid last year, is it still right now?

There’s an old African Proverb that states “it takes a village to raise a child” and I grew up in a era where coaches volunteered. Some were preachers, PAL, former athletes, alcoholics, an ex-cons but the one thing they had in common was their love of kids and ties to the community. So for me the right coach is one that has love for my kid and a vested interest in their future because they see my kid as a future leaders of the community.

How can it be right if your kid is just a meal ticket to a coach?

What you describe is a time when we all paid $20-$50 a season to play. When I was a kid, adults didn't know anything about soccer... with very few exceptions. Soccer was some ridiculously looking sport that got your kid good exercise and held you over until baseball season. Now that soccer has become an enterprise with DOC's making 6-figures, the highest level of comp will never go back to good will. We have some fantastic coaches that do it for the good will, because they damned sure aren't getting rich doing it, but parents have influence and those are all life lessons for our daughters to navigate. Shitty coaches... shitty parents... shitty teammates... shitty referees... pretty much models much of life as an adult, doesn't it?
 
My dd wrote this for her English class this year.
Acacia Edwards
Mr Hendricks
English (10)

It was a day like any other, not too warm, not too cold. That's what I loved about May; the weather was always so uplifting. The blazing sun warmed my skin like a cozy blanket, then the Spring breeze would flow in, cooling me down to create the perfect temperature. But today was not like any other day. Today would be a day I would try to forget and try to push out of my head. I was 12 years old, so young, so fresh, so very impressionable. I went to school like any other day, went to class and sat down in my seat. I looked around all over my math class for my best friend, xxxxxx. She wasn't in her usual seat. Naturally, I figured her seat had been changed. I scanned the classroom...not by the white board, not in the front, not in the back, not in the middle. Where was she? I hadn't spoken to her since last night. I just knew something was off by her voice but she told me everything was fine. She told me, she really told me she was fine and I believed her. I felt an instant feeling of fear in my stomach, the kind of feeling you feel when your parents say, "Anything you need to tell me?" the sudden feeling of being sick to your stomach even if you did nothing wrong. I knew something was wrong, I just knew it. But I decided I was just being paranoid, shook the feeling off and continued on through the rest of the school day.
When I arrived at home, my parents were waiting for me in the living room with a disturbed look on their faces as if they had just seen a ghost. The feeling came back. I scanned their faces for any clues of what was about to be said, but nothing could prepare me for what was coming next. It was as if their mouths were moving but I couldn't hear a word, an unintentional mute you could say. Either that or my mind was blocking it out and all that came out of my mouth was, “What?” As my dad put his arm on my shoulder, an instant shock of chills ran through my body and he said with a shaky voice, “They found her hanging in the backyard.'' At this moment, I did not know what was what. I was in a state of shock. I could not breathe. I sat down. Something broke inside of me and a dam was let loose, flowing down my face. Xxxxx older sister, xxxx had committed suicide and xxxxx found her dangling from our favorite climbing tree when we were younger. Her sister was like my sister. I loved and looked up to her more than anyone else. I decided I needed to call Xxxxx right away. On the way to my room, everything felt so different - the world felt bleek and helpless. I looked in the mirror and I spoke out, not to anyone specific, maybe I was speaking to God, if He is real. I just needed to speak out loud even if no one heard me. I still remember to this day looking into my swollen eyes and puffy cheeks in the mirror, “Why Xxxx, why?” I then just sat there as the hours slowly crept by, crying as if I would never stop. My mind was spinning as if my brain was on a roller coaster that was out of control. My adolescent brain could not comprehend why anyone that was so happy and so bubbly could take their own life and honestly I still don’t understand it. The next couple of weeks were hard. Her death really impacted my life, from eating to my soccer games. I would attend practice but I should have just stayed home. I was just constantly going through the motions, never fully mentally there. I was always sad and the whole world just seemed different, like it was a fragile thing that could easily get broken.
Xxxx was a popular girl at school with the students and the teachers. Her death had a huge impact on each and every individual who attended the school. They had grief counselors come to the school for weeks to help students talk about it, as if that could help during the melancholy time. To this day, it is still a mystery as to why this beautiful, seemingly happy girl chose to take her own life. She did not leave a note. There were no clues, except for a cryptic heading on an Instagram post about not being a “good enough” artist to be alive, but there was not one person who did not admire her work. It took me a long time to get over it and it took an even longer time for me to stop hating her for leaving me and her family broken. Xxxxx and her family ended up moving. We stayed in touch for a while but to be honest, it’s been a long time since either of us have reached out. Maybe, it just hurts too much. I still like May but nowadays, when May comes around, it's not as happy or as carefree but then again, neither am I. May isn’t that perfect temperature I used to love so much with the promise of summer just a few months away. Now, it's a time when I am always reminded of Xxxx death. I now make it a priority to make sure if any of my friends or anyone I know for that matter is okay. I feel sad when someone dies but my eyes do not produce tears. It’s almost as if my tears are in hibernation or have simply run dry.
Xxxx death taught me how precious life is and that anyone can die at any moment. It affected me in good and bad ways. It was bad because I had to grow up fast. Death is too serious for a twelve year old. It is an adult topic. It was good because it taught me that life is precious and to check on your friends. Smiles don’t mean anything. What’s really going on behind it? It takes one second to ask someone if they are ok, to let them know they are not alone, and that you are there for them and will listen.
 
Not the one I was thinking off but also a thug. It's unfortunate he was murdered but he wasn't a good human, either. Talks about girls like whores... which, as a father, I refuse to endorse. I don't care if it's cultural or "just music". I'm a rock fan and they aren't much better... but rockers aren't waving guns and drugs around in videos. Promoting gang life and violent culture.
They are not promoting gang life, they are expressing their reality as descendants of former slaves. Gangs were around prior to Rap. Regan and Hoover put the drugs in the community-COINTELPRO
I think sometimes white folks don’t realize how recent slavery was. So let me give you some perspective...My daughter born in 2007 is the first person in my family that hasn’t been born into servitude and having to work in the fields or clean people’s houses. To take it a step further, I looked at the slave roles for my grandparents when slavery was abolished and 85% of the slaves were 12-14 years old. Sick shit. And relatively recent.
It must be nice to have to have so much privilege that you only have to concern yourself with what’s going on in your bubble. It must be nice to tell your kid to do their best instead of having to tell them that their best isn’t good enough because they have to be better.

I envy your privilege.
 
What you describe is a time when we all paid $20-$50 a season to play. When I was a kid, adults didn't know anything about soccer... with very few exceptions. Soccer was some ridiculously looking sport that got your kid good exercise and held you over until baseball season. Now that soccer has become an enterprise with DOC's making 6-figures, the highest level of comp will never go back to good will. We have some fantastic coaches that do it for the good will, because they damned sure aren't getting rich doing it, but parents have influence and those are all life lessons for our daughters to navigate. Shitty coaches... shitty parents... shitty teammates... shitty referees... pretty much models much of life as an adult, doesn't it?
How many black kids did you run with bro in the soccer games when you were 16? My dd coach in HS shared his American soccer stories with me and let's just say the white boys weren;t so nice and actually some called him "sand N" all the time. That was back in the day so things might be a little better in todays game.
 
How many black kids did you run with bro in the soccer games when you were 16? My dd coach in HS shared his American soccer stories with me and let's just say the white boys weren;t so nice and actually some called him "sand N" all the time. That was back in the day so things might be a little better in todays game.

Truthfully, I had 4 black kids in my school. A brother/sister combo. Brother was a very good athlete and I'm not aware of anybody treating him badly. Sister was pretty and likable. Same there. The other two guys were also very likable but, as I look back on it now, I wonder if they were bojangles'ing it to be accepted or if they were really just that funny and cheerful all the time. I hope it was the latter, but I never saw any of them treated poorly... knowing that means very little. Actually, at 16, most of the guys I played with were Mexican and they fucked with this white boy more than anything. It was always in good fun, though.
 
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