That he got fired for a conflict of interest with those 2 players going off to Europe and not staying local. His brother is their manager. But it does not say he was bullying players. @futboldad1 says that’s the rumor on the streets though.
Player Development vs Super Team Chasing?
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That he got fired for a conflict of interest with those 2 players going off to Europe and not staying local. His brother is their manager. But it does not say he was bullying players. @futboldad1 says that’s the rumor on the streets though.
You sure have a high opinion of your worth ...mistakenly.
I know without you, this thread wouldn’t be the same getting 1000 hits a day. Like I’ve mentioned before, they should hire you at Disney Studios.
I use to have a good opinion of BK but about 2 years ago that changed. Remarks were shared from a concrete know it and they were terribly negative. Since then more chunks trickled out. Also there were pieces written on their blog that were questionable compared to earlier articles. Even at TFA when BK was there his dismal had question marks. As tactician, a purveyor of philosophic ideas on how the game should be played, and his approach to the game were superior to many. It’s to bad he took things beyond acceptable.
@Fact so you went back to all my posts in threads outside this to rate them dumb. It’s on..gonna build a bot to rate dumb every time you post. You never knew I can write code huh?> you sure got a lot of time on your hands. But better yet, I’m a platinum member so I can erase all your ratings...so keep wasting your time. They are all gone
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Justus
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Luis, I tried to hold off responding but I can't take it anymore. I'm with Fact on this rant contest. Let me tell you a story bro. When my dd went to her first club tryout for Arsenal South in Temecula back in 2010, we were told we would play U8 for the coming up season. I took my kid to the "tryout" and we only had 9 kids show up for 7x7. 4 kids were 8 years old and could only play U9. So we decided to play up and let's just say we got our asses kicked just about every weekend. We had this one dad from Lake Elsinore named Louis, I kid you not, who told all the kids what to do every freaking game. He annoyed the shit out of me for telling my dd what to do all the time. My dd played defense and saved some goals but also let a few of the bigger girls roll her over and make a pancake out of her. Louis's kid was the biggest and oldest on the team and played CM and Louis trained her after practice as well. He would get all mad too because my kid let the goal in sometimes. Anyway, my first season with my daughters club life sucked because of Louis. We made the Governor's division for state cup too, barely. 3rd game after losing first two we are getting killed 6-0 and Louis is still yelling at the kids and my kid too. Finally, I snapped!!!! I told Luis to shut the HELL up and to never talk to my kid again. Louis was 6 3', 240 and was doing Crystal Meth I found out later as well. He came right in my face and challenged me to fight right there, in freaking Antelope Valley. I'm 5'9 on a good day. Anyway, I ran away to the parking lot with my wife and found Jenny Lawlor standing by her car and the rest is history
Luis, I tried to hold off responding but I can't take it anymore. I'm with Fact on this rant contest. Let me tell you a story bro. When my dd went to her first club tryout for Arsenal South in Temecula back in 2010, we were told we would play U8 for the coming up season. I took my kid to the "tryout" and we only had 9 kids show up for 7x7. 4 kids were 8 years old and could only play U9. So we decided to play up and let's just say we got our asses kicked just about every weekend. We had this one dad from Lake Elsinore named Louis, I kid you not, who told all the kids what to do every freaking game. He annoyed the shit out of me for telling my dd what to do all the time. My dd played defense and saved some goals but also let a few of the bigger girls roll her over and make a pancake out of her. Louis's kid was the biggest and oldest on the team and played CM and Louis trained her after practice as well. He would get all mad too because my kid let the goal in sometimes. Anyway, my first season with my daughters club life sucked because of Louis. We made the Governor's division for state cup too, barely. 3rd game after losing first two we are getting killed 6-0 and Louis is still yelling at the kids and my kid too. Finally, I snapped!!!! I told Luis to shut the HELL up and to never talk to my kid again. Louis was 6 3', 240 and was doing Crystal Meth I found out later as well. He came right in my face and challenged me to fight right there, in freaking Antelope Valley. I'm 5'9 on a good day. Anyway, I ran away to the parking lot with my wife and found Jenny Lawlor standing by her car and the rest is history
Wow that is an extreme case. And I feel bad for what you had to go through. No one should have to go through that and he should have been kicked out from the get go. I would never scream at another kid that is not mine like this guy did. Was he the coach? As far as fact, it’s about him not contributing to the subject matter and just acting dumb and not having anything to say. Everyone else is posting their argument and that’s what it’s about. We are having a friendly debate. If he was posting with some sort of constructive logic, I’m all ears and will respond accordingly but he is just spamming this thread and has nothing to say that is thoughtful and constructive to the subject matter at hand. He is just doing this to piss me off. And him going back to all my posts and rating them dumb was just uncalled for. I don’t go attacking him like he has done to me unless he attacks me first. So I’m not sure why you taking his side when we are talking about player development vs super teams and he has not provided any arguments but just trash talking, negative rating bs. @JumboJack, @Nefutous you got anything to add to the subject matter?
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Justus
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Louis thought he was the coach Luis and Fact was pissed because the girls are only 8. Fact is 100% in the right on this bro. This is not extreme anymore either Luis. I'm sad to inform you that it's getting worse on the sidelines everyday and someone is going to get very hurt unfortunately.
I’m not sure how that relates to player development vs super team chasing which is why I came here in the first place to talk about that subject. Who’s talking about some crazy parent screaming at all the 8 year old girls from the team? Not me and I’m not doing that so why do you compare me to him when you don’t even know me. I’m no saint to say that I have never said things on the field to my own DD on what to do in games but that’s my daughter. I see that all the time with other parents on the team and parents from other teams we play. Things like shoot, run, pass, look behind you etc. Whatever you say to your child in games is on you and in context with the relationship you have with your kid. So who’s talking about all that you are referring to not me but you and fact. I know it’s getting crazy out there. The only time I almost got jumped after a game was when I saw the coach from the other team bad mouthing our girls and I couldn’t resist but to talk back to him. Then all the ex cholo parents from the other team wanted to come after me but aside from that I have never witnessed a brawl in a game
I’m talking about how to maximize player development by balancing teams, I’m talking about player development being the responsibility of the player not only pinning it to the coach who spends a limited amount of time teaching them how to play soccer not developing individual players. I’m talking winning goes hand in hand with development. I’m talking about super teams and my respect for them to cut and recruit. I’m not talking about a whole team of 8 year old girls being taunted by a parent.
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@Justus the one thing that I’m curious about is why the coach of the team allowed this parent to go over his authority during games and instruct all the girls on what to do? I’ve seen many coaches joy stick teams and I’m ok with that if it needs to happen at times. I know it’s the coach’s job to put him in his place. As far as I’m concern if I have an issue with the coach and his direction with the team and progress I talk to him 1 on 1. Which to me that’s fine and the right way to go about it.
Justus
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Great questions Luis. Louis the dad coach did all his coaching from our side and our coach was far, far away and was overwhelmed in life I think with three kids and being a single mom. Were talking 7 and 8 years old, right? I didn't have 1 on 1 talks with coaches and I don't remember the joy sticking. I only remember Louis telling everyone where to go. He didn't start yelling until the big Governors tournament at State Cup that he thought we had a chance to advance in.
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@Luis Andres
Parent Justus is describing sounds like that female dog recording the removed game you posted. Who was that anyways?
Parent Justus is describing sounds like that female dog recording the removed game you posted. Who was that anyways?
Ok so it just happened during state cup not throughout the regular season. So it was a one time event I’m assuming? Interesting, so the coach was a female. Maybe she was intimidated by him? That’s what I would think. I understand she may have been overwhelmed by her own personal life but that is no excuse for her to let it happen and not confront him. My two cents. So he was the only one that thought you guys had a chance to advance in the tournament interesting. So what happened after that incident when you saw him again at team practice?
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The way this thread is getting views and scrutinized by so many I’m not about to throw anybody under the bus and get in trouble for it. I learned my lesson. Trust me, If I were to say anything... I’d have my head on the chopping board next week so I can’t answer that question.
The fact that you give a damn about ratings proves my point that you are a complete dbag. Finish 93 posts of mine to rate as dumb, go for it loser but shouldn’t you be using that time to bag on 8 year olds. LOL
I just signed in cause I figured out the difference btw you and @Justus. EJ is upset because he sees the inherent unfairness in the system and wants a level playing field for every kiddo. He just cannot accept that life is unfair and sometimes takes his anger out on innocent parents. He has his heart in the right place thou l.
You on the other hand think it is unfair that your child prodigy has to waste her time with kiddos beneath your standard. You spend all your time on this board in an attempt justify bullying 8
year old little girls. You’ll never learn cause your vindictive as proved by hunting down 93 of my posts, a person you don’t even know. I live in your head. LOL
Ok so I think all of you are overthinking this thread. Every kiddo is different. Some kids are happy to make an Allstate team with their friends and ride the pine. Others will be discouraged and quit if they are not the center of the team.
I always tried to find a team were my kiddos were starters but not the best player on the team. This way they could grow with the better players yet retain a level of self esteem. Of course, this was not always possible because you also have to take into consideration the club, coach and other players/parents, plus distance you’re willing to travel and training schedules that work for your family; not an easy thing to juggle for most families.
If I had the chance to do it over, I would mix it up for my kiddos. Now there are so many more options like Futsal. I would probably have a mix of teams and levels for my kiddos. Maybe a Futsal team where they are one of the better players, maybe indoor with school friends and maybe a club team where they are the 8-10th player. Of course like I said above it depends on the kiddo and this also changes with age. One of my ds grew more from playing with his friends on a middle of the road team during his younger years. We had tried playing him on his older brother’s team where he was good enough to start but he shut down since none of the boys were his friends.
So I guess I am saying, take cues from your child.
I always tried to find a team were my kiddos were starters but not the best player on the team. This way they could grow with the better players yet retain a level of self esteem. Of course, this was not always possible because you also have to take into consideration the club, coach and other players/parents, plus distance you’re willing to travel and training schedules that work for your family; not an easy thing to juggle for most families.
If I had the chance to do it over, I would mix it up for my kiddos. Now there are so many more options like Futsal. I would probably have a mix of teams and levels for my kiddos. Maybe a Futsal team where they are one of the better players, maybe indoor with school friends and maybe a club team where they are the 8-10th player. Of course like I said above it depends on the kiddo and this also changes with age. One of my ds grew more from playing with his friends on a middle of the road team during his younger years. We had tried playing him on his older brother’s team where he was good enough to start but he shut down since none of the boys were his friends.
So I guess I am saying, take cues from your child.
I should add congrats @Night Owl. I could not have said it better myself. It takes a special person to navigate the political Soccer land mines and come out on the other end intact. Wishing your son the best in D1. Please keep us updated, not enough parent of boys on the college thread.
Regarding player development
Ahh no sorry dude. The reason why I did it was because you went to all my posts outside this thread and rated them dumb. Maybe I’m living in your head. I have never lashed at you before you lashing at me. Who’s EJ? You referring to @Justus ? And no it’s not about my DD versus her teammates or any other player her age. My complain comes from the mere fact that most people think that the coach is gonna magically develop individual players without them doing the little things that make them technical players outside of practice. Player development needs to come from the player itself then it comes down to the coach teaching them how to play the game as a unit. How can a coach develop players that are not working to be more technical outside of practice? If this the current model that we follow in America then there you have it. That’s why the US cannot produce a star soccer player because everyone is under the impression that the coach will somehow whip out the magic wand and make you a more technical player.
The only reason why my DD is where she is at today with her progress in soccer is because from the get go I’ve made sure that she is developing the technical aspects of her individual game. First touch, dribbling, proper shot technique, ball control, etc. I never thought it was the coach’s job to teach her that with the limited amount of time he had with them weekly. I’ve always believed it was my job to make sure she was developing the technical ability that she would need in order to be successful when her coach would teach her and her teammates proper soccer development. How to play together as a team. I feel that as parents it’s our responsibility to do that for our kids and I would let other parents on the team know why this was important at a young age. Most ignored me and did not listen to me. There was only 1 Father on the team aside from me that believed in this motto and he followed me to all the training sessions that I took my DD to. To make a long story short. My DD and this teammate are the most technical & tactical players on the team to date. Their soccer IQ is above the rest of the other players on the team. They are also the ones that really understand possession soccer best cause they both play up in another hispanic league and have shown to do so with older players. They play and switch off between cm/cb position, they control the middle lane and are the nucleus to the team’s success to being a top 5 team in Cas next to the rest of the teams that have recruited the athletes to get there. All the girls on our team are home grown. No one has been recruited or scouted. The last 2 that joined came because we are the best team in the local area. After all that, the rest of the other girls are finally now doing the little things outside of practice to become more technical. They are a bit behind them but I have faith that they will also take that same jump in their development phase soon. Some faster than others which is normal. Not all players develop at the same rate but for me I’m happy to see them working hard outside of practice to become more technical. That’s just 1/2 of the equation.
The coach is the other half. Having a good coach like the one we have is crucial to their soccer development as a unit. We can have a bunch of technical players but if the coach has the wrong soccer philosophy they are not gonna learn how to play as a unit. It’s the combination of a good coach and the work ethic that the players have outside of practice that will make a home grown team like ours able to compete against the other top teams that have been recruited for their athletic abilities. Now I’m not saying that all our girls are not athletes either, yes we do have a few like my DD who is lightning fast and quick to change her speed for her age and has the stamina of a zebra with that as well and that’s why she is the top player of the team. Because she has the athletic and technical ability combined and the fact I have developed her soccer IQ by going over special scenario and tactics. This is not a secrete, this is how we develop teams and players in South America. Technical ability first then playing together as a team. Which is what the coach teaches them to do. Parents are responsible for developing the technical aspects of their kids at young ages. After they are old enough, you can just hope that they love the sport enough to continue to do it on their own to reach the level of stardom.
Now for all the ones that have their special cases with their children and have their own specific goals for soccer, I’m not hating on you. Remember I said it’s up to you, and your goals of what you want out of the game be it rec or pro development. My DD and I are working towards the latter and that’s why our curriculum sounds a bit extreme for most. But hey, that’s our prerogative. You can’t hate me for wanting and working towards greatness. My family values and principles not yours.
Ahh no sorry dude. The reason why I did it was because you went to all my posts outside this thread and rated them dumb. Maybe I’m living in your head. I have never lashed at you before you lashing at me. Who’s EJ? You referring to @Justus ? And no it’s not about my DD versus her teammates or any other player her age. My complain comes from the mere fact that most people think that the coach is gonna magically develop individual players without them doing the little things that make them technical players outside of practice. Player development needs to come from the player itself then it comes down to the coach teaching them how to play the game as a unit. How can a coach develop players that are not working to be more technical outside of practice? If this the current model that we follow in America then there you have it. That’s why the US cannot produce a star soccer player because everyone is under the impression that the coach will somehow whip out the magic wand and make you a more technical player.
The only reason why my DD is where she is at today with her progress in soccer is because from the get go I’ve made sure that she is developing the technical aspects of her individual game. First touch, dribbling, proper shot technique, ball control, etc. I never thought it was the coach’s job to teach her that with the limited amount of time he had with them weekly. I’ve always believed it was my job to make sure she was developing the technical ability that she would need in order to be successful when her coach would teach her and her teammates proper soccer development. How to play together as a team. I feel that as parents it’s our responsibility to do that for our kids and I would let other parents on the team know why this was important at a young age. Most ignored me and did not listen to me. There was only 1 Father on the team aside from me that believed in this motto and he followed me to all the training sessions that I took my DD to. To make a long story short. My DD and this teammate are the most technical & tactical players on the team to date. Their soccer IQ is above the rest of the other players on the team. They are also the ones that really understand possession soccer best cause they both play up in another hispanic league and have shown to do so with older players. They play and switch off between cm/cb position, they control the middle lane and are the nucleus to the team’s success to being a top 5 team in Cas next to the rest of the teams that have recruited the athletes to get there. All the girls on our team are home grown. No one has been recruited or scouted. The last 2 that joined came because we are the best team in the local area. After all that, the rest of the other girls are finally now doing the little things outside of practice to become more technical. They are a bit behind them but I have faith that they will also take that same jump in their development phase soon. Some faster than others which is normal. Not all players develop at the same rate but for me I’m happy to see them working hard outside of practice to become more technical. That’s just 1/2 of the equation.
The coach is the other half. Having a good coach like the one we have is crucial to their soccer development as a unit. We can have a bunch of technical players but if the coach has the wrong soccer philosophy they are not gonna learn how to play as a unit. It’s the combination of a good coach and the work ethic that the players have outside of practice that will make a home grown team like ours able to compete against the other top teams that have been recruited for their athletic abilities. Now I’m not saying that all our girls are not athletes either, yes we do have a few like my DD who is lightning fast and quick to change her speed for her age and has the stamina of a zebra with that as well and that’s why she is the top player of the team. Because she has the athletic and technical ability combined and the fact I have developed her soccer IQ by going over special scenario and tactics. This is not a secrete, this is how we develop teams and players in South America. Technical ability first then playing together as a team. Which is what the coach teaches them to do. Parents are responsible for developing the technical aspects of their kids at young ages. After they are old enough, you can just hope that they love the sport enough to continue to do it on their own to reach the level of stardom.
Now for all the ones that have their special cases with their children and have their own specific goals for soccer, I’m not hating on you. Remember I said it’s up to you, and your goals of what you want out of the game be it rec or pro development. My DD and I are working towards the latter and that’s why our curriculum sounds a bit extreme for most. But hey, that’s our prerogative. You can’t hate me for wanting and working towards greatness. My family values and principles not yours.
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