ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

I agree that teams aren’t currently that good, but I think they are getting better fast.

I took my player for workouts in Valencia and Madrid last summer because her coaches in Mexico didn’t feel comfortable about Liga MX dropping their prohibition on foreign born players in their Femenil league. The workouts were successful and she received offers from both. At the time, I thought maybe after she finishes college.

Upon returning home, I started shopping for clubs and attempting to find a club to help prepare her for college. I watched games and took my player to workout with teams and for the most part have been throughly disappointed with the level of play. We have quantity but not much quality. Now, I’m terrified at the prospect of her playing club and college because of the level of play.

We don’t have a majority soccer culture and many of our potential stars are excluded because they’ve never been exposed to the game or their families can’t afford it. I think Europe and Mexico have advantages due to their soccer culture and accessibility.

My player has trained in Mexico, Spain, and the USA and based on what I’m seeing we are going to have some serious problems by 2027 if we do not make adjustments to stay on top. I think the attention my player received from the coaches at Cal and FSU as an 11 year old confirm my suspicion and speaks volumes regarding the better soccer foundation acquired in a soccer nation.

Like many on this board, I believe in education. However, when I look at the condensed college season, the different rules, and read about all the kids plagued with injuries throughout their college career on this board I’m not so sure college is such a good place. When I watch the highlights of the tackles that caused the Tierna Davidson and Sophia Smith injuries I think oh hell no, if someone tackled my daughter like that I’d be ready to fight her and her family. Both tackles were unsportsmanlike and malicious in my opinion. So, I’m skeptical about the quality and unnecessary aggression of the college game.

At this juncture, I think the fight between GDA and ECNL is a red herring. I think both sides need to come together to fight for a 2 semester college season. I also think we need much better training at the pre DA/ECNL level to remain competitive.
What clubs did you try out with? Just trying to get perspective because there are some that get it right. If you're kid gets to play at the highest level as time goes on, there will be that type of physical play. I've seen it in college and the pros, so I'm not sure you'll ever get away from that.
 
Ahh, I wasn't thinking of "Top Heavy" league wise in the same way that you are.

Washington Spirit essentially going win less last year does not demonstrate a balanced league. No matter the league there is always a wide gap between the top and the bottom of the league. And regardless it has certainly had little impact on the international game on the men's side where European Nations as small as Belgium and Croatia still produce top National Teams that made the semi and finals of the last World Cup. So even countries with a small player pool competing in Top Heavy leagues more than just competed.

The Spirit are a playoff team now. That doesn't happen in Europe. Going from last to first. In America we have built in some equality to our sports leagues with a draft and salary caps. Europe has nothing of the sort and until they do their leagues of either gender and of any sport will always be top heavy.
 
The Spirit are a playoff team now. That doesn't happen in Europe. Going from last to first. In America we have built in some equality to our sports leagues with a draft and salary caps. Europe has nothing of the sort and until they do their leagues of either gender and of any sport will always be top heavy.
Leicester City respectfully disagrees. ;)

European Leagues don’t have a draft and they don’t reward last place teams with high draft picks to restock a team.
 
What clubs did you try out with? Just trying to get perspective because there are some that get it right. If you're kid gets to play at the highest level as time goes on, there will be that type of physical play. I've seen it in college and the pros, so I'm not sure you'll ever get away from that.
UD Levante & CD Tacon which was recently purchased by Real Madrid. I don’t mind the physical play, I just don’t like it when it becomes dirty and people get hurt.
 
Leicester City respectfully disagrees. ;)

European Leagues don’t have a draft and they don’t reward last place teams with high draft picks to restock a team.

And their run from lower middle of the table to the championship in the 2015/16 season was impressive, however, they haven't been close since.

Here is a article that you should read. It is from a player who has over a million Instagram followers and has had professional options since she was 15 yet she chose a soccer scholarship to Florida State over the opportunities. On top of that she even states in the article that she comes out on top in terms of the value of her scholarship versus any contract that she was offered.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/s...state-fsu-seminoles-senior-season/1765832001/
 
And their run from lower middle of the table to the championship in the 2015/16 season was impressive, however, they haven't been close since.

Here is a article that you should read. It is from a player who has over a million Instagram followers and has had professional options since she was 15 yet she chose a soccer scholarship to Florida State over the opportunities. On top of that she even states in the article that she comes out on top in terms of the value of her scholarship versus any contract that she was offered.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/s...state-fsu-seminoles-senior-season/1765832001/

I used the wink emoji for a reason.

I have been very clear that I am more concerned with 10-15 years downstream not the current cohort. So I will read the article but it isn’t discussing what I am.
 
UD Levante & CD Tacon which was recently purchased by Real Madrid. I don’t mind the physical play, I just don’t like it when it becomes dirty and people get hurt.
How about here in the US? Forgive me if you mentioned before, but is she living here in the states? Also, I don't think you can get away from dirty plays... they will continue to happen at all levels. Frustrating and lame, but it is what it is.
 
And their run from lower middle of the table to the championship in the 2015/16 season was impressive, however, they haven't been close since.

Here is a article that you should read. It is from a player who has over a million Instagram followers and has had professional options since she was 15 yet she chose a soccer scholarship to Florida State over the opportunities. On top of that she even states in the article that she comes out on top in terms of the value of her scholarship versus any contract that she was offered.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/s...state-fsu-seminoles-senior-season/1765832001/
Good read. From the article: "However, the U.S. women's team members are each set to make approximately $200,000 for this accomplishment. If the U.S. men's team won the World Cup, each member of the roster would make as much as $1.1 million."

That looks like inequality on the surface. But if you consider the difficulty of the task by using the odds of winning:
USMNT's odd of winning 2022 WC: 80-1 (or 1.2%)
USWNT's odd of winning 2019 WC: 3/4 (or 57.1%)

Therefore, the expected value of earning for each player is:
USMNT: $1.1M x 1.2% = $13,200
USWNT: $200K x 57.1% = $114,200

USMNT is the one that should file a equal pay lawsuit :)
 
Good read. From the article: "However, the U.S. women's team members are each set to make approximately $200,000 for this accomplishment. If the U.S. men's team won the World Cup, each member of the roster would make as much as $1.1 million."

That looks like inequality on the surface. But if you consider the difficulty of the task by using the odds of winning:
USMNT's odd of winning 2022 WC: 80-1 (or 1.2%)
USWNT's odd of winning 2019 WC: 3/4 (or 57.1%)

Therefore, the expected value of earning for each player is:
USMNT: $1.1M x 1.2% = $13,200
USWNT: $200K x 57.1% = $114,200

USMNT is the one that should file a equal pay lawsuit :)

Nonsense.
 
How about here in the US? Forgive me if you mentioned before, but is she living here in the states? Also, I don't think you can get away from dirty plays... they will continue to happen at all levels. Frustrating and lame, but it is what it is.
In the US, Cal and FSU are the most likely options because they are close to family. I live in the east bay (norcal) and her grandma lives across the street from FSU. I want her close to family because she’ll start college early and only be 15 when she transfers as a Junior to Cal or FSU. Hopefully she graduates by 18 and then we’ll explore our options. She currently goes to school and trains in Mexico
 
Results from ECNL/GDA head to head matchups at Silverlakes.

ECNL with 17 wins, 12 losses, and 9 ties over GDA. ECNL with the advantage over the weekend.
 
Results from ECNL/GDA head to head matchups at Silverlakes.

ECNL with 17 wins, 12 losses, and 9 ties over GDA. ECNL with the advantage over the weekend.
I saw a DPL win over ECNL at Silverlakes and a few at Surf. I'm only looking at 1 age group and in that age there was an ECNL team that haven't lost a game all year (I believe) until the ECNL finals championship game, and tied a middle of the pack SW DA team. It's soccer. The scores don't always tell the whole story of the game especially in a showcase (Silverlakes). Ecnl and DA have very strong teams and some weak teams even in SoCal.
 
Results from ECNL/GDA head to head matchups at Silverlakes.

ECNL with 17 wins, 12 losses, and 9 ties over GDA. ECNL with the advantage over the weekend.

I’m too lazy too look up but I believe 03 blues DA and ECNL play in the QFs of Surf Cup today. Arguably both top 10 in age group nationwide. Blues ECNL is the national champs.
 
I saw a DPL win over ECNL at Silverlakes and a few at Surf. I'm only looking at 1 age group and in that age there was an ECNL team that haven't lost a game all year (I believe) until the ECNL finals championship game, and tied a middle of the pack SW DA team. It's soccer. The scores don't always tell the whole story of the game especially in a showcase (Silverlakes). Ecnl and DA have very strong teams and some weak teams even in SoCal.


I will bite. What age group. If it was Saturday maybe it was the weather. They had those mobile misters but I am not sure how well they worked.
We stayed and watched a couple games and thought the MVLA kids played amazing. My DD was impressed at how well they moved the ball for a team younger than hers. Side note we played in the third level.
 
I’m too lazy too look up but I believe 03 blues DA and ECNL play in the QFs of Surf Cup today. Arguably both top 10 in age group nationwide. Blues ECNL is the national champs.
Abner vs Ted.
If anyone has highlights, please post them here.
Does anyone know if the Blues DA and ECNL teams ever share players during the season or in tournaments? (Obviously not this weekend).
 
Results from ECNL/GDA head to head matchups at Silverlakes.

ECNL with 17 wins, 12 losses, and 9 ties over GDA. ECNL with the advantage over the weekend.
Between ECNL vs DPL from the 05, 04 and 03 age groups from Surf and Silverlakes, DPL went 8 wins, 3 ties and 9 losses.

For ECNL vs DA same age groups and from both Surf and Silverlakes, DA went 9-8-17. There were some very good ECNL teams out there. The DA teams out there were some of the weaker ones overall.

I only looked at those 3 age groups.
 
Between ECNL vs DPL from the 05, 04 and 03 age groups from Surf and Silverlakes, DPL went 8 wins, 3 ties and 9 losses.

For ECNL vs DA same age groups and from both Surf and Silverlakes, DA went 9-8-17. There were some very good ECNL teams out there. The DA teams out there were some of the weaker ones overall.

I only looked at those 3 age groups.
Legends, Real SoCal and Beach are weaker ones? Really?
 
Legends, Real SoCal and Beach are weaker ones? Really?
Albion LV, LAPFC, and then the new LA Surf (which is new and a combo of LA Premier and the other clubs who joined). And those where where the majority of the losses came from.

Beach DA wasnt at Surf or Silverlakes in the 05-03 age groups that I was discussing.

I only looked at 05-03 age groups in each since Surf only had 05-03 age groups.
 
Now on the 04 side the Beach DPL team did play 2 DA teams. Lost both, but one was 2-1 and the other was 1-0.

I do consider Beach a good club. They just didnt have their DA teams in the 05-03 age groups at either showcase.
 
Albion LV, LAPFC, and then the new LA Surf (which is new and a combo of LA Premier and the other clubs who joined)
Albion LV didn't have any teams in those three age groups you mentioned, LAPFC only played in the 2004 age group, and LA Surf only played in the 2003 age group. You make it seem like those 2 teams are the reason for the poor results. Come on now...
 
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