Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process

Glen said:
This would happen routinely when I was in college - and that was without the guarantee scholarship rule. I'm sure most college athletes you ask have either seen it on their own teams or saw it happen on other teams at their schools. It's easier sometimes to have the kid quick than strip away their money.

All of that said, you are right that a kid could stick through it all. But at the end of the day, most kids don't want to show up everyday to a place they are unwanted. And a coach can make you feel awfully unwanted.
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Exactly that was prior to this reform coming into effect this Fall of 2016. To protect the student athlete.

IMO, it's a great reform and holds the coaches accountable for early recruiting. Instead of discarding a student athlete who committed to the university when they also had other offers on the table. This reform could reverse the trend of early verbal commits by 8th graders (see Texas) and HS underclassmens. Big difference in annual renewability vs 4 yr guarantees athletic scholarship.
 
NoGoal said:
Exactly that was prior to this reform coming into effect this Fall of 2016. To protect the student athlete.

IMO, it's a great reform and holds the coaches accountable for early recruiting. Instead of discarding a student athlete who committed to the university when they also had other offers on the table. This reform could reverse the trend of early verbal commits by 8th graders (see Texas) and HS underclassmens. Big difference in annual renewability vs 4 yr guarantees athletic scholarship.
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I don't disagree with the reform. And I hope it would have the impact of curtailing early recruiting, but I think that is a pipe dream without other reforms. But I also think you are over emphasizing the reality of the protection. Sure, a girl that has a career ending injury won't have any issues keeping a scholarship. And I think that's what makes the reform a positive one. A girl that simply isn't cutting it, however, is going to have a widely different experience. And this reform could actually exacerbate isolating behavior by coaches, especially those with a lot of pressure to win. Now coaches won't even have the option of taking away the scholarship.

And where is this mythical creature that you believe exists that is willing to show up to practice everyday for years when they are clearly unwanted? I don't think too many of those people exist at high level college athletics. They move on, get a ship from another school where they are wanted. It's the kids with injuries that need the protection because they cannot move on.
 
Glen said:
I don't disagree with the reform. And I hope it would have the impact of curtailing early recruiting, but I think that is a pipe dream without other reforms. But I also think you are over emphasizing the reality of the protection. Sure, a girl that has a career ending injury won't have any issues keeping a scholarship. And I think that's what makes the reform a positive one. A girl that simply isn't cutting it, however, is going to have a widely different experience. And this reform could actually exacerbate isolating behavior by coaches, especially those with a lot of pressure to win. Now coaches won't even have the option of taking away the scholarship.

And where is this mythical creature that you believe exists that is willing to show up to practice everyday for years when they are clearly unwanted? I don't think too many of those people exist at high level college athletics. They move on, get a ship from another school where they are wanted. It's the kids with injuries that need the protection because they cannot move on.
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You are not accounting for the probability of a civil law suit which can probably be filed by the student athlete. Especially a player being forced out by the head coach to free up money. It's not like the scholarship is based on being renewed annually and thus an out clause. I'm no lawyer, but I have to imagine....there will be litigation on this very subject in the future.

Like I posted it just went into effect. We won't know how it transpires for at least a couple of years, when coaches have money tied up on an underperforming player.

I can also see coaches offering less money to freshmen recruits. The college players who meet or exceed expectations are then rewarded with more athletic ship money their sophomore, jr and sr year.
 
Here is a tip. Don't travel with your kid to the out of town showcases that are reached be plane (PDA, ECNL finals, Disney Showcase) unless you are the chaperone. You can still go but don't stay with the team it gives your player the feel for traveling with their team that they will experience in college. My player told me that she is so used to doing it now thanks to traveling with her club and the YNT.
 
Anybody know how many scholarships are offered by a PAC 12 vs. a WCC school?

What would be considered a good offer, typical offer to a player from either on if these conferences?
 
eastbaysoccer said:
Anybody know how many scholarships are offered by a PAC 12 vs. a WCC school?

What would be considered a good offer, typical offer to a player from either on if these conferences?
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If they are a fully funded program then they both offer 14. The difference being that the Pac 12 is one of two conferences that guarantee their scholarships for 4 years. What a good offer is depends upon the family and the player. Typically the closer to 100% that your player is offered in a total package, the sooner the player is expected to contribute. A 100% offer to Sam Houston State might not be as good as a 50% offer to Long Beach St. depending what the family and player want and can afford. If your player gets an offer from a school that she wants to go to and your family can afford it. That is a good offer. If you are paying less for college than you paid for club or high school (or club and high school) soccer, then that is a good offer.

Honestly there are some schools that your player would never consider so even if they offered 100% it is still a bad offer. I hope that helps.
 
MakeAPlay said:
If they are a fully funded program then they both offer 14.......
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There you go again... Just assumes its for women. OP's question does not specify gender so it could be for girls but it can also be for boys.

For Men, NCAA D1 is 9.9EP and Women is 14EP. Its EP (equivalent persons) because schools can divided it up into many more student athletes.

Here is a link to general site: http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

You can find stats for each school of interest. Its listed alphabetically by State. It also gives average amount for the particular school of interest. You can figure out if its a good offer or not by comparing to the average.
 
mirage said:
There you go again... Just assumes its for women. OP's question does not specify gender so it could be for girls but it can also be for boys.

For Men, NCAA D1 is 9.9EP and Women is 14EP. Its EP (equivalent persons) because schools can divided it up into many more student athletes.

Here is a link to general site: http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

You can find stats for each school of interest. Its listed alphabetically by State. It also gives average amount for the particular school of interest. You can figure out if its a good offer or not by comparing to the average.
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Agreed. However the entire thread is about women's college soccer recruiting. There might be a few posts regarding men's soccer buried somewhere in there. Take it personally if you want mirage. I will stick with my position that it depends upon the player and the family whether it is a good offer. Taking a ton of money to go to a bad fit is not a good offer no matter what the chart says.
 
So a 50% or above at a top 150 US news ranked university is a good deal?

A 80% at a podunk, unknown naia school might not be.

Which WCC schools offer 14? Or is it more like 8 since some don't have football.
 
MakeAPlay said:
I figured that I would create a place for parents that have been through the process to share insights and answer questions for parents just starting the process or looking ahead to the start of the process. With so much misinformation out there I thought that having a thread to sort it out might be useful.
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This quote is from your original post on this thread titled "Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process".

Where does it say its for girls focused???

I know its hard believe on college section that boys actually goto college and play soccer. The value of this thread was, just as the title says, for parents with kids just going through the process - boys and girls. My sense is that, not just myself but many others have contributed to the thread sharing information that benefit boys and girls. Not just a post here and there.

But since its your thread, if you don't want to hear or consider any boys trying to get into the best schools and play soccer, then those of us with boys will simply stop posting and interacting on this thread. Perhaps you can get Dom to retitle as for DD's parents.
 
MakeAPlay said:
...... Take it personally if you want mirage. I will stick with my position that it depends upon the player and the family whether it is a good offer. Taking a ton of money to go to a bad fit is not a good offer no matter what the chart says.
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Take what personally??? I have no interest in getting into public display of nonsense, you and Messi had going. Go find another member to take the bate.

Your comment about the fit is very correct and it is always family and player dependent. There is no one size-fits all kind of response on this subject, regardless of gender.

Was simply trying to provide a complete response to the question by eastbay.
 
mirage said:
Take what personally??? I have no interest in getting into public display of nonsense, you and Messi had going. Go find another member to take the bate.

Your comment about the fit is very correct and it is always family and player dependent. There is no one size-fits all kind of response on this subject, regardless of gender.

Was simply trying to provide a complete response to the question by eastbay.
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Look I am not trying to get into it with you. Boys info is just as valuable as girls info. The tone of your response (There you go again I believe is how you put it) is what had me confused.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
So a 50% or above at a top 150 US news ranked university is a good deal?

A 80% at a podunk, unknown naia school might not be.

Which WCC schools offer 14? Or is it more like 8 since some don't have football.
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I'm not sure which ones offer 14. I would check with the coach. Now are you talking about girls? I just want to be sure so as not to offend mirage.
 
mirage said:
There you go again... Just assumes its for women. OP's question does not specify gender so it could be for girls but it can also be for boys.

For Men, NCAA D1 is 9.9EP and Women is 14EP. Its EP (equivalent persons) because schools can divided it up into many more student athletes.

Here is a link to general site: http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

You can find stats for each school of interest. Its listed alphabetically by State. It also gives average amount for the particular school of interest. You can figure out if its a good offer or not by comparing to the average.
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Beware trying to negotiate using the average on the website link. A college coach will extend an offer based on how much they value the player.
 
mirage said:
This quote is from your original post on this thread titled "Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process".

Where does it say its for girls focused???

I know its hard believe on college section that boys actually goto college and play soccer. The value of this thread was, just as the title says, for parents with kids just going through the process - boys and girls. My sense is that, not just myself but many others have contributed to the thread sharing information that benefit boys and girls. Not just a post here and there.

But since its your thread, if you don't want to hear or consider any boys trying to get into the best schools and play soccer, then those of us with boys will simply stop posting and interacting on this thread. Perhaps you can get Dom to retitle as for DD's parents.
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Mirage- Pay it forward and continue to share intel/experiences that you have.... To do otherwise is a waste of informative value.
 
offthecrossbar said:
Beware trying to negotiate using the average on the website link. A college coach will extend an offer based on how much they value the player.
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That's a good point. Say, one can gets 90% and another 10%, and between the two, there's the average.

What it does say is that if you are getting more than average, then probably you're valued more tan those that are getting less than average. So the question is the player bringing the average up or down....

That said, I'm sure the coaches take academic merits into the equation so if a player is valued more and has higher GPA, its possible that the athletic money is less than average because the academic money will more than makeup the difference. The result is that the program will have more money to spread to other players w/lower grade and desired.
 
mirage said:
That's a good point. Say, one can gets 90% and another 10%, and between the two, there's the average.

What it does say is that if you are getting more than average, then probably you're valued more tan those that are getting less than average. So the question is the player bringing the average up or down....

That said, I'm sure the coaches take academic merits into the equation so if a player is valued more and has higher GPA, its possible that the athletic money is less than average because the academic money will more than makeup the difference. The result is that the program will have more money to spread to other players w/lower grade and desired.
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Bingo. That is why I said that you have to look at the total award. I know a player that is getting 100% at a top school and is playing and none of it is athletic based aid. Most of the time when it gets down to numbers at some point the family's financial situation comes up so that the coach can evaluate what they have to offer a desired prospect in order to make if feasible for them to attend.

On the girl's side that is another reason why what Stanford does is so impressive. A 75% scholarship at Stanford still means the family has to come up with like $18k a year. Don't get me wrong only having to pay $72k is a deal for 4 year at Stanford but it is a consideration if the family doesn't have that amount saved in a college savings program or available through tuition reimbursement at work. 75% at San Diego St. on the other hand means the family has to pay like $4k. That's a big difference.
 
My dd received a set athletic scholarship. The school is allowing her to combine academic also which could mean 100% coverage.

From what I understand, if u get fafsa that cuts into your athletic. I agree, the amount of athletic scholarship will Likely be proportional to how much the coach Values u. A 50% from a school that offers 14 scholarships IMO is lesser than school that offers 50% that only has 7 scholarships to give. The latter really wants u. The former has at least 27 more girls they can give .5 to.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Bingo. That is why I said that you have to look at the total award. I know a player that is getting 100% at a top school and is playing and none of it is athletic based aid. Most of the time when it gets down to numbers at some point the family's financial situation comes up so that the coach can evaluate what they have to offer a desired prospect in order to make if feasible for them to attend.

On the girl's side that is another reason why what Stanford does is so impressive. A 75% scholarship at Stanford still means the family has to come up with like $18k a year. Don't get me wrong only having to pay $72k is a deal for 4 year at Stanford but it is a consideration if the family doesn't have that amount saved in a college savings program or available through tuition reimbursement at work. 75% at San Diego St. on the other hand means the family has to pay like $4k. That's a big difference.
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Very true. Plus if your dd is going to major in education of sociology, Sdsu really makes more sense. Save the extra money for grad school. Or get your phd at Stanford on tuition waiver and stipend.
 
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