Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process

[gkrent]

What is her grad year and what age group does she play in? The only reason that I ask is because if she is in 8th grade or older the process has already started. I know that my players school is working on their 2019 class of domestic players and working on 2017 and 2018 internationals. The process starts quickly and the money goes just as quickly. Now if money wasn't something that you care about then take your time.

I agree with you but with a caveat...those top players that are filling up the recruiting classes of the Penn States, UCLAs and the Stanfords of the world don't have to do much to get recruited. There is also more time if a kid is interested in a mid major or an Ivy. If a kid is a good player but not YNT pool player or a regular on an ODP squad they will have to do a little more work but also have a little more time. As for money I know seniors that committed for D1 schools that received athletic money...maybe not full cost of attendance but they did work something out and if they end up showing a strong work ethic and make an impact on the team there is/was more money for them in the future.

One of my players was recruited by the school she ended up at December of her Senior year. She paid a total of 5 figures out of pocket for a degree at jesuit catholic university. The staff "found" money for her and made it work for her.

I guess my point is all is not lost if you start the recruiting process on the late side if your player is solid with an outstanding work ethic.

 

[NoGoal]

I agree with you but with a caveat...those top players that are filling up the recruiting classes of the Penn States, UCLAs and the Stanfords of the world don't have to do much to get recruited. There is also more time if a kid is interested in a mid major or an Ivy. If a kid is a good player but not YNT pool player or a regular on an ODP squad they will have to do a little more work but also have a little more time. As for money I know seniors that committed for D1 schools that received athletic money...maybe not full cost of attendance but they did work something out and if they end up showing a strong work ethic and make an impact on the team there is/was more money for them in the future.

One of my players was recruited by the school she ended up at December of her Senior year. She paid a total of 5 figures out of pocket for a degree at jesuit catholic university. The staff "found" money for her and made it work for her.

I guess my point is all is not lost if you start the recruiting process on the late side if your player is solid with an outstanding work ethic.

On anther note, Pac12 and Big10 schools athletic money is guaranteed. So, if a player is hoping they will get money in year 2 or 3, it may not happen...since money is tied up for 4 yrs. Those conference coaches can't take away a players athletic money forcing the player to transfer, freeing up money to give to another player.

 

[Multi Sport]

My sister committed to a D1 school here Senior year, four year full ride. That was back in 2000, so I guess times have changed a bit. I think more pressure is being put on the kids to sign early by the coaches and I don't agree with that. Parents are buying into the hype and are afraid that their kidn is going to be left out if they dont sign as soon as possible.My DD signed here Senior year to an NAIA school and still got money for soccer and academics.

 

[espola]

My sister committed to a D1 school here Senior year, four year full ride. That was back in 2000, so I guess times have changed a bit. I think more pressure is being put on the kids to sign early by the coaches and I don't agree with that. Parents are buying into the hype and are afraid that their kidn is going to be left out if they dont sign as soon as possible.My DD signed here Senior year to an NAIA school and still got money for soccer and academics.

NAIA has lot looser recruiting and scholarship system than NCAA. Unfortunately, their numbers are declining. The closest one to me, Cal State San Marcos,is in the process of converting to NCAA D2.

 

[gkrent]

On anther note, Pac12 and Big10 schools athletic money is guaranteed. So, if a player is hoping they will get money in year 2 or 3, it may not happen...since money is tied up for 4 yrs. Those conference coaches can't take away a players athletic money forcing the player to transfer, freeing up money to give to another player.

I don't buy those guarantees. Those go to top players that want to see the field. If they are strongly encouraged to transfer (read: benched), then that money is freed up. Seen it!

 

[NoGoal]

I don't buy those guarantees. Those go to top players that want to see the field. If they are strongly encouraged to transfer (read: benched), then that money is freed up. Seen it!

That is the point of the reform. College coaches in the Pac12 and Big10 can't say, I highly recommend you transfer, because you will never see the pitch, freeing up money. The student athlete can say, I'm good coach. I will keep working hard on the practice field. The coach can't force their hand and the athletic money taken away from them.
http://pac-12.com/article/2014/10/2...weeping-reforms-student-athletes-guaranteeing

http://informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/

 

[gkrent]

That is the point of the reform. College coaches in the Pac12 and Big10 can't say, I highly recommend you transfer, because you will never see the pitch, freeing up money. The student athlete can say, I'm good coach. I will keep working hard on the practice field. The coach can't force their hand and the athletic money taken away from them.
http://pac-12.com/article/2014/10/2...weeping-reforms-student-athletes-guaranteeing

http://informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/

Still, a player may walk away anyway because they want to see the field and actually want to quit/transfer and the program can cancel their scholarship. Further, this only applies to the power 5 conferences.

 

[NoGoal]

Still, a player may walk away anyway because they want to see the field and actually want to quit/transfer and the program can cancel their scholarship. Further, this only applies to the power 5 conferences.

That's the point. If the player wants to walk away it's on their discretion, not because they were forced out....because the coach wants to give their money to a new player transferring in. Also protects the athletic student in their Jr or Sr year and close to graduating in case their is a coaching change and the player doesn't fit the new coaches style of play. It is a good thing if new rules are approved to protect the student athlete!

Lastly, I posted the 4 yr guarantee athletic ship applied to the Pac12 and Big10 (didn't know the other 3 Power 5 approved it as well). I never posted it was for mid-majors conferences.

 

[MakeAPlay]

Still, a player may walk away anyway because they want to see the field and actually want to quit/transfer and the program can cancel their scholarship. Further, this only applies to the power 5 conferences.

It's smart to do this research up front. You can usually tell what plans the coach has for your player based upon the $$$ they are offered. If they offer a lot of money then they are expecting a player to have an impact immediately.

 

[gkrent]

If the player wants to walk away it's on their discretion, not because they were forced out....because the coach wants to give their money to a new player transferring in.

I agree with everything you are saying, but a coach can still "force out" a player that wants to play by not playing them.

 

[mirage]

I agree with everything you are saying, but a coach can still "force out" a player that wants to play by not playing them.

This phenomenon is not just in sports but in life and career in general.

If you are not "A" or at least "B" player, no playing time, lousy raises or no promotions. Natural selection will take care the attrition and people will be either be forced out or leave on their own looking for a better place, relative to themselves.

So the point is rather meaningless - don't you think?

 

[mirage]

It's smart to do this research up front. You can usually tell what plans the coach has for your player based upon the $$$ they are offered. If they offer a lot of money then they are expecting a player to have an impact immediately.

Except if one plays for needs-based only institution without any merit-based scholarships....

 

[Zerodenero]

This phenomenon is not just in sports but in life and career in general.

If you are not "A" or at least "B" player, no playing time, lousy raises or no promotions. Natural selection will take care the attrition and people will be either be forced out or leave on their own looking for a better place, relative to themselves.

Now your talking my language....Totally agree!

 

[NoGoal]

I agree with everything you are saying, but a coach can still "force out" a player that wants to play by not playing them.

We are going in circles. The coach can't force out the player. If the player is fine with being a practice squad player, supporting her teammates and concentrating on her education. Is that horrible thing?

 

[NoGoal]

This phenomenon is not just in sports but in life and career in general.

If you are not "A" or at least "B" player, no playing time, lousy raises or no promotions. Natural selection will take care the attrition and people will be either be forced out or leave on their own looking for a better place, relative to themselves.

So the point is rather meaningless - don't you think?

Every company though has employees who are happy at their current position, they don't have ambitions anymore of climbing the corporate ladder or playing the political game, satisfied with their salary, they could be empty nesters with no need to make more money.

This individual doesn't mean he/she is a bad employee. They may be the best at their position. At least this was my experience in the corporate world.

 

[Zerodenero]

Except if one plays for needs-based only institution without any merit-based scholarships....

Agreed (w/a twist).....Based on your other post, you're familiar w/said process...and therefore you know there are other methods to gauge/determine the coaches interest/ anticipated impact their recruit is to have. In terms of $$, there are other means to receive $$ outside of needs based available....you just have to l$$k.

 

[Glen]

We are going in circles. The coach can't force out the player. If the player is fine with being a practice squad player, supporting her teammates and concentrating on her education. Is that horrible thing?

NG, I'm with you if the girl gets injured. It's a terrific insurance policy. But if a coach wants you off the team and your healthy, you'll get off unless you want to live a miserable existence. You become the trash bin for the coaches.

Frankly, I wonder how supportive teammates view someone sitting on the bench and taking money that could be used on other players to make the team better. No one wants a supportive junior or senior that is never going to play - younger players get resentful. They'll take a supportive freshman that may play in the future.

 

[NoGoal]

It's smart to do this research up front. You can usually tell what plans the coach has for your player based upon the $$$ they are offered. If they offer a lot of money then they are expecting a player to have an impact immediately.

I also read in the athletic scholarship guarantee. The money is only guaranteed for the 4 years if the players attends the univeristy as a incoming freshmen.

NG, I'm with you if the girl gets injured. It's a terrific insurance policy. But if a coach wants you off the team and your healthy, you'll get off unless you want to live a miserable existence. You become the trash bin for the coaches.

Frankly, I wonder how supportive teammates view someone sitting on the bench and taking money that could be used on other players to make the team better. No one wants a supportive junior or senior that is never going to play - younger players get resentful. They'll take a supportive freshman that may play in the future.

Of course that situation could happen, but it's a new reform that came into effect this Fall. I'm sure there will eventually be cases where a student athlete at a Power 5 conference is being forced out by their coach. I can see it leading to future civil law suits, including bad press against the university. We all know Universities hate bad press. They don't want to see their students protesting and holding campus demonstrations.

I believe I read if the student athlete is an upper classmen and elects to take a leave of absence (let's say the coaches are making life a living hell for the player) they can return and will still have their athletic scholarship available.

 

[NoGoal]

NG, I'm with you if the girl gets injured. It's a terrific insurance policy. But if a coach wants you off the team and your healthy, you'll get off unless you want to live a miserable existence. You become the trash bin for the coaches.

Frankly, I wonder how supportive teammates view someone sitting on the bench and taking money that could be used on other players to make the team better. No one wants a supportive junior or senior that is never going to play - younger players get resentful. They'll take a supportive freshman that may play in the future.

I hope nobody's kid ends up with a college coach who fosters this type of team culture you described above. If so, the player and their parents didn't do enough research before committing to the program/university.

 

[Glen]

I hope nobody's kid ends up with a college coach who fosters this type of team culture you described above. If so, the player and their parents didn't do enough research before committing to the program/university.

This would happen routinely when I was in college - and that was without the guarantee scholarship rule. I'm sure most college athletes you ask have either seen it on their own teams or saw it happen on other teams at their schools. It's easier sometimes to have the kid quick than strip away their money.

All of that said, you are right that a kid could stick through it all. But at the end of the day, most kids don't want to show up everyday to a place they are unwanted. And a coach can make you feel awfully unwanted.

 

[MakeAPlay]

Except if one plays for needs-based only institution without any merit-based scholarships....

I am only referring to athletic money.