So interesting that as true as that was in ‘16, the pendulum doesn’t take long to swing back, as ‘18 showed us the beginnings of the move to the other side.
2020...
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Just about everything you post does not follow with the previous argument.
You are Capt Non sequitur.
I question how long the swing backs last... especially when lifelong dems like Beto are having to apologize his marriage doesn’t pass the progressive litmus test, and Chelsea Clinton is in videos getting attacked for trying to attend a rally about the shooting in NZ.
It’s time to face up to the fact the progressives are dragging the rest of the party down, because they make building a lasting majority impossible.
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Hüsker Dü
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Cuz Democrats weren't ready for the barrage of lies, deceit, use of the census to gerrymander districts and how well that worked due to the gullibility of many Americans (some even when shown facts prefer the lies).
Hüsker Dü
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The right has gone so far overboard it has achieving the desired effect, pulling the unaware in America right. The game use to be played on a level playing field where facts mattered.
They should have been.
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I agree. But at the same time that doesn’t means I agree that socialism is the appropriate response to the excesses of capitalism. Or that I believe that more racism and intolerance is how we fix social inequality. Etc. etc. etc.
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Andy Dukes
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Socialism was a response to unabated power by the elite. When socialism swings to far, it ends up with kleptocracy. But, wanting social programs like public roads, public utilities, public schools and health care for all, is not a long socialist road.
Hüsker Dü
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Did you think that despite facts years of pushing a propaganda filled agenda would soak in and sink us so deep?
I think that's what you might mean when you say socialism, but I don't get the idea that fixing bridges and schools is what progressives mean when they say socialism. In fact, I think they are clearly talking about the Marxist dialectic, where by the only way to save the little people is to bring about the end of capitalism. With themselves of course, at the top in charge. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism)
No thanks...
Hüsker Dü
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There in your post is the evidence, they push the "they want us to be a socialist nation" and you are buying? Who wants us to be a socialist nation and who told you that? The denial that our nation was built on a hybrid of socialism and capitalism is a rightwing construct. There is no such thing as a purely capitalist system, except possibly the black market.
I think if Obama had been a winner we wouldn't have sunk so deep. What the republican's were doing didn't happen in a vacuum, and was only possible after something like 1000 dem seats in local and state elections were lost.
There's video if you don't want to believe the journalist... you tell me what you think she's talking about?
Ocasio-Cortez: 'Capitalism is irredeemable'
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433394-ocasio-cortez-capitalism-is-irredeemable
Andy Dukes
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Let me know when the Freshman House member has any real power outside of Instagram.
Hmm.... guess I would find your argument more compelling if I hadn't just watched Trump tweet his way into the White House.
Sheriff Joe
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I think the old guard is afraid of her and the 2020s are already agreeding on her 12 year new deal.
Hüsker Dü
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I for one thought facts and common sense would prevail, I was dead wrong.
Possibly a case of winning the battle yet losing the war. The gerrymandering was a bit clandestine and the effects of which were under estimated. In 2010 there was a backlash like 2018 but more intense due to the emotions that were elicited by the t-party and deep racial mistrust in our nation. All they had to do was show Obama's face to way more people than I ever realized and they voted Republican, some for the first time ever. Even traveling in South and seeing how the racial mistrust is DEEP and still thought facts and common sense would prevail, nope. The open racialism that is now prevalent in here as microcosm of what is now shown on national TV and accepted in the world at large (white nationalist dream come true) is frightening.
Andy Dukes
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So you think there are 30% of America that are that anti government on the left? Trump got there because Reagan set the stage. Don't trust government. The majority on the left are not anarchists and AOC could only win anything more than here little slice of New York by a big wave of anarchy. Most on the left like competent governance. Something the right finds deplorable.
Great post. And I agree. But I also think there is a lot of radicalism on the left too. Which is why I'm pushing for a boring, traditional democrat. Let's get things cooled down and then we can start figuring out how to make things work better. If there is one thing in common across the board, from right to left it's that people want change. Let's just be smart about it and not let the crazy people take over.
Hüsker Dü
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If we only could put as much focus on say someone like Steve King, hmmm, where was the outrage machine the last few years in that case? Another case of ring wing entities pushing a narrative to their benefit, divide and conquer . . .