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tenacious said:
Do I really trust any politician? No of course not...

But again, I know her history. And it seems to me her record of trying to do right by the people she represented is pretty good. Certainly better then I'd say a lot of the small people around Trump have done.
As to the Clinton Foundation... hopefully you'll join me in encouraging her to help get rid of money in politics- starting with amending the constitution to fix the Citizens United Ruling. From the Kock Brothers and J Street, all the way to the Clinton Foundation... money has corrupted the system.
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She is the poster child for the corrupt system.
 
 
In other news... looks like the jig is about up for ol' Roger Ailes.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/sources-kelly-said-ailes-sexually-harassed-her.html
Sources: Megyn Kelly Told Murdoch Investigators That Roger Ailes Sexually Harassed Her

As a chorus of prominent Fox News women have gone public defending Roger Ailes against the wave of sexual-harassment allegations sparked by former Fox News host Gretchen Carlson’s lawsuit, the network’s biggest star, Megyn Kelly, has been conspicuously silent. Kelly’s refusal to join in Ailes’s orchestrated defense has led to speculation about why.

Now we have the answer. According to two sources briefed on parent company 21st Century Fox’s outside probe of the Fox News executive, led by New York–based law firm Paul, Weiss, Kelly has told investigators that Ailes made unwanted sexual advances toward her about ten years ago when she was a young correspondent at Fox. Kelly, according to the sources, has described her harassment by Ailes in detail.
 
I'm so shocked that a network founded on lies and hate, was run by a degenerate sexual harasser...
 
Wez said:
I'm so shocked that a network founded on lies and hate, was run by a degenerate sexual harasser...
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Muahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

I'm sure that's why they are number one in cable....

Bless your little heart.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...
 
Lion Eyes said:
Really?
Edward George Bulwer-Lytton sounds like a judgmental pompous ass....is he someone you emulate?

Is that what they called Bill Clintons sexual harassment of women? Great entertainment for the unwashed ?
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Nah, had to look up who that was, I just think the term is funny and fitting.

Who is "they" in regards to Clinton, it's just me in here... I'm not defending Clinton, just because I'm laughing at Ailes and his bullshit faux news network.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Muahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

I'm sure that's why they are number one in cable....

Bless your little heart.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...
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Number one in cable... sorta makes you stop and think what number one in cable actually means.

Let's just ignore that "first in news" must be qualified with "in cable news", and talk about what it means to be the most watched cable news. It seems to me that you see first in rating as some sort of assurance of quality? But that seems like a silly way to view success unless you work for Fox News. I mean Avatar is still the highest grossing movie, if we use your value system of financial success equating to quality product does that now make it the best movie of all time also? What if National Enquirer sells more copies then Time magazine... would would you say that makes them a better newspaper?

Secondly...
Isn't it funny that of all the people involved in the whole Monica Affair, that it was only Hillary that came out without a scratch. Bill got caught cheating. Newt the head of the republican revolution it was also revealed had been cheating. Hastert was molesting young boys. Bob Livingston in the Senate let Hustler magazine find some pics of him with one of his lovers and was forced to resign. But the lesson learned is this is somehow a mark against Hillary. Doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Don't even go down the road of "Family Values", self hating closeted gay Republicans, they are more common then sand on the beach.... (*cough*, Cruz, *cough)...

Obviously not a knock on gays, just a statement on hypocrisy...
 
Wez said:
Nah, had to look up who that was, I just think the term is funny and fitting.

Who is "they" in regards to Clinton, it's just me in here... I'm not defending Clinton, just because I'm laughing at Ailes and his bullshit faux news network.
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"They" would be the unwashed you spoke of...
So you have a problem with MSNBC and it's bullshit faux news network too?
Fox & MSNBC have reporters and they both have nuts from the fringe. Be it the far left or the far right .
You seemingly cast aspersions with those you disagree with. Perhaps that's just for our benefit here in the kitchen...
Folks need to be tolerant of those with different views.
I'm not against Hillary because she's a far left wing nut...it's her inability to tell the truth that I find repulsive.
 
Lion Eyes said:
So you have a problem with MSNBC and it's bullshit faux news network too?
Fox & MSNBC have reporters and they both have nuts from the fringe. Be it the far left or the far right .
You seemingly cast aspersions with those you disagree with. Perhaps that's just for our benefit here in the kitchen...
Folks need to be tolerant of those with different views.
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No my statement about FoxNews is based on countless hours of having watched both Fox and MSNBC. FoxNews reports very little actual news compared to the time they spend on editorial and opinion content. MSNBC you can actually turn on and get some news once in awhile.

That and FoxNews lies all day long, all day, every day. They have kept the Benghazi witch hunt alive, reporting lies that have been proven wrong by several bi-partisan Congressional reports. AGW deniers giving scientifically wrong information, IRS, Benghazi, it's an avalanche of lies, constantly.


Lion Eyes said:
I'm not against Hillary because she's a far left wing nut...it's her inability to tell the truth that I find repulsive.
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But you're ok with Trump, who is an even bigger liar?
 
tenacious said:
Number one in cable... sorta makes you stop and think what number one in cable actually means.

Let's just ignore that "first in news" must be qualified with "in cable news", and talk about what it means to be the most watched cable news. It seems to me that you see first in rating as some sort of assurance of quality? But that seems like a silly way to view success unless you work for Fox News. I mean Avatar is still the highest grossing movie, if we use your value system of financial success equating to quality product does that now make it the best movie of all time also? What if National Enquirer sells more copies then Time magazine... would would you say that makes them a better newspaper?

Secondly...
Isn't it funny that of all the people involved in the whole Monica Affair, that it was only Hillary that came out without a scratch. Bill got caught cheating. Newt the head of the republican revolution it was also revealed had been cheating. Hastert was molesting young boys. Bob Livingston in the Senate let Hustler magazine find some pics of him with one of his lovers and was forced to resign. But the lesson learned is this is somehow a mark against Hillary. Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Bill was also disbarred and paid a huge fine. He was also found in contempt of court...all on bogus far right conspiracy rumors.
Hillary destroyed the women who claimed Billy Bob molested or had affairs with.
Perhaps it's all in a name. Bill Clinton - Bill Cosby...nothing there. Right?
 
Lion Eyes said:
I'm not against Hillary because she's a far left wing nut...it's her inability to tell the truth that I find repulsive.
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I don't know how to say this any nicer then this, but between your attacks on Hillary because her husband was cheating on her and the continual claims that she must be a felon out of the belief that eventually Republican's will snare her on some witch hunt... I would just quietly comment that maybe you and Hillary both a little bit of a problem telling the truth?

You get the government you deserved... isn't that what you said? After 8 years of dancing to the whims of their vocal and well funded conservative minority, republicans shouldn't be surprised that Hillary and the Clinton machine has been called up to save the country from the politics of no.
 
Wez said:
No my statement about FoxNews is based on countless hours of having watched both Fox and MSNBC. FoxNews reports very little actual news compared to the time they spend on editorial and opinion content. MSNBC you can actually turn on and get some news once in awhile.

That and FoxNews lies all day long, all day, every day. They have kept the Benghazi witch hunt alive, reporting lies that have been proven wrong by several bi-partisan Congressional reports. AGW deniers giving scientifically wrong information, IRS, Benghazi, it's an avalanche of lies, constantly.




But you're ok with Trump, who is an even bigger liar?
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I've said we have to choose between to less than worthy candidates.
Trump with all his bombastic narcissism isn't the lying piece of work Hillary is and I bet Trump knows a classifieds document when he see's one.
When did he lie to congress?
When did he tell the American people he had turned over all his emails from his private server that related to his time as Secretary of State?
Did he tell folks that his parents named him after Sir Donald Duck?
Then there was the time he claimed to land in the middle east under sniper fire...remember?
But in the end..... 'What Difference Does It Make'?
 
tenacious said:
I don't know how to say this any nicer then this, but between your attacks on Hillary because her husband was cheating on her and the continual claims that she must be a felon out of the belief that eventually Republican's will snare her on some witch hunt... I would just quietly comment that maybe you and Hillary both a little bit of a problem telling the truth?

You get the government you deserved... isn't that what you said? After 8 years of dancing to the whims of their vocal and well funded conservative minority, republicans shouldn't be surprised that Hillary and the Clinton machine has been called up to save the country from the politics of no.
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Say what?
You care to clarify where and when I had a problem "telling the truth"?
I've never lied before congress. Repeatedly.
Eight years of Obama and you think Hillary will change anything?
Pfffft! Muahahahahaaaa. you're joking.
Took me a minute, I had to really dig deep. You're not serious, right?
 
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Lion Eyes said:
I've said we have to choose between to less than worthy candidates.
Trump with all his bombastic narcissism isn't the lying piece of work Hillary is...
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Why do you keep saying that? Since we know he actually lies far more than Hillary does, it must be that you prefer what he says, when he is lying.

Is there something he has done so far that has led you to believe his belligerent ego driven actions would serve our Country well?

I mean, seriously, can you point to something he has said that makes you stand up and cheer?
 
Lion Eyes said:
Say what?
You care to clarify where and when I had a problem "telling the truth"?
I've never lied before congress. Repeatedly.
Eight years of Obama and you think Hillary will change anything?
Pfffft! Muahahahahaaaa. you're joking.
Took me a minute, I had to really dig deep. You're not serious, right?
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Heh. I don't think you deliberately lie - you just can't tell the difference.

You serve some value here though. Whenever one of my non-socalsoccer friends asks me if there really are people like that, I send then a link to one of your posts.
 
Wez said:
Why do you keep saying that? Since we know he actually lies far more than Hillary does, it must be that you prefer what he says, when he is lying.

Is there something he has done so far that has led you to believe his belligerent ego driven actions would serve our Country well?

I mean, seriously, can you point to something he has said that makes you stand up and cheer?
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"I mean seriously", can you document the times Trump has lied to congress.......
I've documented some of Hillary's lies, perhaps you should document the lies Trump has told congress & the American people.
Hillary lies so much it's second nature. Sort of pathological, wouldn't you agree?
Did she not tell the American public that she never sent or received classified information on her email? She lied.
Did she not tell congress that she turned in all work related emails and documents to the State Department? Another lie.
She claims her lawyers read every email before they were deleted, they did not.
Brian Williams was fired for telling tales of helicopter's he was riding in coming under attack, not Sir Hillary.
One more time with Trump, I will hold my nose and cast a vote for Trump before I will ever cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.
A few days ago, a Washington Post and ABC News poll found that 56% think Hillary should be indicted. Wouldn't surprise me if those numbers have risen.
We haven't even talked about Madame Secretaries policies that turned North Africa into a killing field...Arab Spring? Right?
 
espola said:
Heh. I don't think you deliberately lie - you just can't tell the difference.

You serve some value here though. Whenever one of my non-socalsoccer friends asks me if there really are people like that, I send then a link to one of your posts.
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You claim to have friends, good for you.
The part about non socalfriends and you sending them links to one of my posts...... Poppycock. I don't believe that for a minute.
 
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