Coach Movement and 2018 Assignments

Striker17 said:
Wouldn't San Diego be better served to have let's say 3-4 proven pathways to an end dream of MLS/D1 soccer? Why is that such a bad thing?
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So you are talking about the 1% to 5% of players that will play in college or at the professional level. What about the other 95% to 99% of the other players? My DD played at smaller clubs from 9 to 18 years old and Presidio/SDDA until she was 15 than played SCDSL and CSL. She ended up with a $14,000 college soccer scholarship and several of her teammates from that small club playing CSL also received substantial scholarships. All of the players on DD last team that wanted to play in college went on to play college at some level.

I would think that it would be a better business model to provide a product to 100% of available customers instead of just 1% to 5% of the available customers.
 
Had heard Hunt 04. This is new info. I thought tonks was ECNL only?
Who is doing 04 ECNL? Gary for the third year same team?
 
I also ask you a simple question Surfref who is he one selling the fantasy? A low level Presidio club who takes the money and whose parents believe its high level? Or a verified high level high exposure club?

Let me tell you a funny story. Yesterday while out I had the pleasure of over hearing two soccer moms in deep conversation. Their 12 year old girls were "soccer stars" and they were so good at soccer that they could not play other sports. They were so involved with soccer that they even had a hard time completing volunteer hours. So naturally I was at this point quite curious as to what high level team was being discussed .
It was PYSL Blast.

Who is selling a dream?
If you are a parent who doesn't know what Coast, DA, ECNL is who is the one selling the dream? It's not Surf or Blues!

I am not at all discouraging play or inclusion. What I am pointing out is that the big bad wolf isn't always the mega club with the good record. It's not Surf, or Gins, or Blues or Dugan. Open your mind up a little.
 
Striker17 said:
I also ask you a simple question Surfref who is he one selling the fantasy? A low level Presidio club who takes the money and whose parents believe its high level? Or a verified high level high exposure club?

Let me tell you a funny story. Yesterday while out I had the pleasure of over hearing two soccer moms in deep conversation. Their 12 year old girls were "soccer stars" and they were so good at soccer that they could not play other sports. They were so involved with soccer that they even had a hard time completing volunteer hours. So naturally I was at this point quite curious as to what high level team was being discussed .
It was PYSL Blast.

Who is selling a dream?
If you are a parent who doesn't know what Coast, DA, ECNL is who is the one selling the dream? It's not Surf or Blues!

I am not at all discouraging play or inclusion. What I am pointing out is that the big bad wolf isn't always the mega club with the good record. It's not Surf, or Gins, or Blues or Dugan. Open your mind up a little.
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Incredible..seriously brilliant. It’s darn near child abuse to make a kid do privates, keep them away from other sports, musical instruments, make them play in far away tournaments in the summer heat...all to say your DD is a star and plays competitive soccer on the mission hills brewers or whatever other random club pops up.
 
chargerfan said:
I read this conversation as surf trying to start their own league for both spring and fall. I see the advantage of north county teams being able to stay close to home, especially at the younger ages.

Fact, I always thought you were a surf homer. I was wrong!
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I am my families' homer. Having older kids and seeing family deal with this mess, I can stand back and look at it objectively and I don't like what I see.
 
Striker17 said:
I also ask you a simple question Surfref who is he one selling the fantasy? A low level Presidio club who takes the money and whose parents believe its high level? Or a verified high level high exposure club?

Let me tell you a funny story. Yesterday while out I had the pleasure of over hearing two soccer moms in deep conversation. Their 12 year old girls were "soccer stars" and they were so good at soccer that they could not play other sports. They were so involved with soccer that they even had a hard time completing volunteer hours. So naturally I was at this point quite curious as to what high level team was being discussed .
It was PYSL Blast.

Who is selling a dream?
If you are a parent who doesn't know what Coast, DA, ECNL is who is the one selling the dream? It's not Surf or Blues!

I am not at all discouraging play or inclusion. What I am pointing out is that the big bad wolf isn't always the mega club with the good record. It's not Surf, or Gins, or Blues or Dugan. Open your mind up a little.
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I had to look up Blast. They have over 20 teams. So while not a large club, they are doing something right to keep players. And who are you to say that these 2 12 year old girls are not top players. I have known many players over the years that choose to stay at their small club despite Surf trying to recruit them. Their parents did not have a clue about club soccer but it worked out for them in the end.
 
Striker17 said:
I also ask you a simple question Surfref who is he one selling the fantasy? A low level Presidio club who takes the money and whose parents believe its high level? Or a verified high level high exposure club?

Let me tell you a funny story. Yesterday while out I had the pleasure of over hearing two soccer moms in deep conversation. Their 12 year old girls were "soccer stars" and they were so good at soccer that they could not play other sports. They were so involved with soccer that they even had a hard time completing volunteer hours. So naturally I was at this point quite curious as to what high level team was being discussed .
It was PYSL Blast.

Who is selling a dream?
If you are a parent who doesn't know what Coast, DA, ECNL is who is the one selling the dream? It's not Surf or Blues!

I am not at all discouraging play or inclusion. What I am pointing out is that the big bad wolf isn't always the mega club with the good record. It's not Surf, or Gins, or Blues or Dugan. Open your mind up a little.
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That's an interesting fairy tale, but the reality of the last few decades is that Surf club management behavior and attitude have alienated most of the clubs and leagues in Southern California, and perceptive parents have realized they don't need to pay service to the Surf fables in order to succeed.
 
Fact said:
These coaches we are mentioning are in the top pay group so it is not hard to figure out where they are going since only a few clubs can afford them.

Happy New Years.
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Happy New years to you too! I appreciate all your insights and help on this thread.
 
espola said:
That's an interesting fairy tale, but the reality of the last few decades is that Surf club management behavior and attitude have alienated most of the clubs and leagues in Southern California, and perceptive parents have realized they don't need to pay service to the Surf fables in order to succeed.
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Take Surf out of the equation. Make sure you say Blues, Surf, Slammers. It's not all about Surf.
Please point me to the success of Presidio 14-18 year olds and committments. I would like to educate myself since I am apparently missing a huge subset of talented players who have moved on.
I am not an elitist or "mean" because I am saying a child has a greater chance of success with Surf or Blues. It's statistically relevant.
 
Striker17 said:
Take Surf out of the equation. Make sure you say Blues, Surf, Slammers. It's not all about Surf.
Please point me to the success of Presidio 14-18 year olds and committments. I would like to educate myself since I am apparently missing a huge subset of talented players who have moved on.
I am not an elitist or "mean" because I am saying a child has a greater chance of success with Surf or Blues. It's statistically relevant.
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I'm only familiar with the Surf issues. Are the other clubs just as bad?
 
espola said:
That's an interesting fairy tale, but the reality of the last few decades is that Surf club management behavior and attitude have alienated most of the clubs and leagues in Southern California, and perceptive parents have realized they don't need to pay service to the Surf fables in order to succeed.
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No the fairy tale are parents who early specialize in soccer to the detriment of other sports or activities because they are being told Mayors or Governors Cup is "just like National Cup"
You can't have it both ways. Own it.
Call it what it is.
 
Striker17 said:
I am sure you are so familiar since your child stopped playing ten years ago as I recall?
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My children played on club teams (not Surf) until 2010. One son coached club teams (not Surf) until he moved out of town last year. I have been in regular contact with coaches, referees, players and club admins since early 90's right up until now. I have been enjoying watching my 2004 niece play on a Presidio team (obviously not Surf), including about a dozen games this past season and perhaps some of her team's State Cup games if they get any nearby games.
 
Striker17 said:
No the fairy tale are parents who early specialize in soccer to the detriment of other sports or activities because they are being told Mayors or Governors Cup is "just like National Cup"
You can't have it both ways. Own it.
Call it what it is.
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Who were those parents? I'm not aware of any of that personally.
 
Striker17 said:
There is a lot to unpack here. Let me start by saying my hypothesis is simply a hypothesis.

I will also start by saying I believe Presidio is basically AYSO and acts like it and looks like it. I think peopl would be better served staying with local rec leagues in neighborhoods for as long as they could, and picking identified talent for the next level. It's too diluted. Crazy wish huh? Yes I will prep for the onslaught.

I do not know if any Surf coaches for sure leaving except Gabe who already did. Rumors yes but not for sure. If the rumored coaches are in fact leaving is this happening in Jan?

Pathway paragraph- I agree with you. I am simply parroting the soccer websites. The end goal is MLS and US soccer in control. Here is my question to you though- what is wrong with concentrating the top identified talent at the DA or MLS level? What is wrong with ending the notion that little Ryan at Express who wants to play D1 is going to "make it".
Do you not think that once a special player was identified at Oranje or Express or Albion South that we should funnel them to people like Keith Miller or Benoit or Ryan Guy?

I believe strongly that on the girls side this is a major issue. We have a few that understand girls and know what it takes to coach them. Shannon is in fact one. I happen to believe that elite players should play with other ones and there should be a funnel to get them there.

Maybe it's not Surf- but they deserve better than what they are getting. If someone wants to improve that process and concentrate Ryan Marquez, Gabe, Shannon and people like this all in the same place then I applaud that. I can't comment on anything other than that because I don't know about PD.
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Haha. Onslaught
 
Fact said:
Guy Newman? That would be huge since he was the director. He is no longer listed on the Express website. Can anyone confirm where he went.
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GN was let go by the club a while ago. He didn’t leave.

Mas Yamasaki is at West Coast/ Surf now.
 
Striker17 said:
I also ask you a simple question Surfref who is he one selling the fantasy?
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Let me tell you a funny story. Yesterday while out I had the pleasure of over hearing two soccer moms in deep conversation. Their 12 year old girls were "soccer stars" and they were so good at soccer that they could not play other sports. They were so involved with soccer that they even had a hard time completing volunteer hours. So naturally I was at this point quite curious as to what high level team was being discussed .
It was PYSL Blast.

Who is selling a dream?
If you are a parent who doesn't know what Coast, DA, ECNL is who is the one selling the dream? It's not Surf or Blues!

I am not at all discouraging play or inclusion. What I am pointing out is that the big bad wolf isn't always the mega club with the good record. It's not Surf, or Gins, or Blues or Dugan. Open your mind up a little.
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A conversation between soccer moms, happy about their little girls success at whatever level they were. The horror. I am sure they both said their daughters were "soccer starts". (NOT.) Where is the selling? Where is any evidence that they were sold a "dream", what ever that is? Dod you also overhear them all saying that their girls would make the WNT? Nice try.
Striker17 said:
No the fairy tale are parents who early specialize in soccer to the detriment of other sports or activities because they are being told Mayors or Governors Cup is "just like National Cup"
You can't have it both ways. Own it.
Call it what it is.
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espola said:
Who were those parents? I'm not aware of any of that personally.
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Yep, more false premise.
 
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