Opinions on todays transgender players?

TheIronCurtain said:
Having dome some very cursory reading on this, the science that exists today does point to 'more than a feeling' argument. Lots more needs to be studied, but there is scientific evidence of biochemical difference in a wide range of areas. Neurotransmitters have receptors that are triggered by sex hormones. Interesting read:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4335177/

But you are right, this is not black & white, and ppl should seek to understand instead of condemn the unfamiliar. This is how progress is made.
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The issue is that nobody has a lab kit with them on the soccer field so if the situation arises you have no choice but to take the person or coaches word for it. The mere questioning of the legitimacy of fairness is considered bigotry.
 
TheIronCurtain said:
Yes, is there something I should not be ok with?
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Wow.
1. Unfair advantage
2. Would not want my daughter playing against him
3. Girls are not biologically built the same as men and some of the teeneage girls can get hurt.
4. He took away a roster spot away from a worthy girl.

But apparently in your PC world none of this matters.

Like equating deadly diseases with syndromes.

Hopefully none of us here on the forum actually have to see their daughter play against 50 man who is trying to relieve his glory days..
 
wildcat66 said:
The issue is that nobody has a lab kit with them on the soccer field so if the situation arises you have no choice but to take the person or coaches word for it. The mere questioning of the legitimacy of fairness is considered bigotry.
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How many girls have you tested on the field? I see lots of girls w masculine features on the field, should we test them? Look at NWSL, many athletes in that league don't exactly exude classic femininity. Should we all have a chance to examine them? Leagues allow players in, assuming they followed the rules like checking relevant documentation. Having anyone outside the governing body imply they're intitled to perform an examination on said athlete is simply unacceptable!
 
wildcat66 said:
The issue is that nobody has a lab kit with them on the soccer field so if the situation arises you have no choice but to take the person or coaches word for it. The mere questioning of the legitimacy of fairness is considered bigotry.
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If its not bigotry who cares what some asshole thinks.
The integrity of a sport rests on delivering a fair contest.
Without that, might as well shitcan the whole thing.
 
Multi Sport said:
Wow.
1. Unfair advantage
2. Would not want my daughter playing against him
3. Girls are not biologically built the same as men and some of the teeneage girls can get hurt.
4. He took away a roster spot away from a worthy girl.

But apparently in your PC world none of this matters.

Like equating deadly diseases with syndromes.

Hopefully none of us here on the forum actually have to see their daughter play against 50 man who is trying to relieve his glory days..
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HER, I think that distinction alone is where you lost your argument...
 
Setting aside those who are transgender, would it be fair to everyone involved to allow boys to start signing up and participating in girls' leagues? Maybe it would - I don't know. Although I think that going co-ed could lead to the near elimination of women in sports, something no one wants to see happen.

But if you do think it would be unfair, why does it become fair because someone transitions? I think that that is the basic question that lingers. Can someone answer that without calling me a bigot or claiming that I hate transgender people?
 
MarkM said:
Setting aside those who are transgender, would it be fair to everyone involved to allow boys to start signing up and participating in girls' leagues? Maybe it would - I don't know. Although I think that going co-ed could lead to the near elimination of women in sports, something no one wants to see happen.

But if you do think it would be unfair, why does it become fair because someone transitions? I think that that is the basic question that lingers. Can someone answer that without calling me a bigot or claiming that I hate transgender people?
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I think this would largely depend on the definition of the word 'transitioned'. If you stick to its classic definition, which is the same definition the medical community uses (as far as I know), it would imply that 'he' is no longer 'he' & is now in fact a 'she'... Some would argue that 'he' was never a 'he' in the first place & was simply born with a defect, kind of like a 6th toe...
 
Everyone is assuming it would be one what if the team was 6 transgendered ? Could a player play one weekend on the boys team and the next as a guest on the girls team? If you aren't allowed to question for fear of being labeled,as a homophobe or bigot then there is no control.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Why do you people try to make things so complicated? You over think and over analyze everything.
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'You people'??? J/k

Details are important. You're making an argument & words you choose demonstrate your position, understanding & ability to be see the other POV. Refering to a transitioned female as 'he' or 'it' is considered offensive. So, when one leads their argument w/ an offensive statement, the other side gets to ignore the rest Just my opinion...
 
MarkM said:
Setting aside those who are transgender, would it be fair to everyone involved to allow boys to start signing up and participating in girls' leagues? Maybe it would - I don't know. Although I think that going co-ed could lead to the near elimination of women in sports, something no one wants to see happen.

But if you do think it would be unfair, why does it become fair because someone transitions? I think that that is the basic question that lingers. Can someone answer that without calling me a bigot or claiming that I hate transgender people?
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Because I think it is an adult's job to make a child feel loved and welcomed, not like an outcast. Transgender kids are going through enough without adults bullying them out of playing a team sport.
 
wildcat66 said:
Everyone is assuming it would be one what if the team was 6 transgendered ? Could a player play one weekend on the boys team and the next as a guest on the girls team? If you aren't allowed to question for fear of being labeled,as a homophobe or bigot then there is no control.
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One player = one player card... there are rules about playing for more than 1 team...
 
wildcat66 said:
Everyone is assuming it would be one what if the team was 6 transgendered ? Could a player play one weekend on the boys team and the next as a guest on the girls team? If you aren't allowed to question for fear of being labeled,as a homophobe or bigot then there is no control.
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Who cares how many transgender children are on a team? If they feel safe, and are happy, how does that hurt you?

And girl can guest on a boys team. What's the big deal?
 
wildcat66 said:
Everyone is assuming it would be one what if the team was 6 transgendered ? Could a player play one weekend on the boys team and the next as a guest on the girls team? If you aren't allowed to question for fear of being labeled,as a homophobe or bigot then there is no control.
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Here are some numbers about % of general populations.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla....ntify-as-Transgender-in-the-United-States.pdf

All states are well below 1%. If you see a team w 30-50% transgender players, feel free to inquire, doubt anyone would call you a biggot for asking about a statistical outlier...

Given that the # is 0.5% how many have you seen playing? Why do you think that is?
 
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