USWNT

Thanks Outside...just wondering if the final score reflected the match play...Looking at the stats it seems as though Japan had twice as many shots (10 for J vs 5 for USA) , almost twice as many corner kicks (7 for J 4 for USA), fewer fouls( 0 for J and 9 for USA), and fewer saves ( 3 saves for J compared to 5 saves for USA)...
 
Sheriff Joe said:
That would depend on if the coach was legal or not.
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Would it? A job lost to a non-citizen is a job lost to a non-citizen whether they are legal or not. Without foreign workers our economy wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today. If it wasn't for immigration our President wouldn't have two of his three wives. It's all good though. Until we do something different on the Women's side we will continue to be passed by other countries. We really don't want China and India to pass us because that will signal the end of the dominance of the western world in sports....
 
MakeAPlay said:
Would it? A job lost to a non-citizen is a job lost to a non-citizen whether they are legal or not. Without foreign workers our economy wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today. If it wasn't for immigration our President wouldn't have two of his three wives. It's all good though. Until we do something different on the Women's side we will continue to be passed by other countries. We really don't want China and India to pass us because that will signal the end of the dominance of the western world in sports....
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Where do you think the USWNT stands right now?
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Where do you think the USWNT stands right now?
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The current US staff has never played technical, possession oriented soccer during their playing days. They have no appreciation or cultural identity for it. The asian countries did not either so they went out and got it. In the next 4-8 years the French and Spanish will catch and pass everyone. They will be more athletic and have a history of the technical game. They are just playing catch up do to a more cultural thing. If the US wants to get back in the game they need a clean slate, get the right coaches and it will take 8-12 years for the foundation to be corrected.
 
pulguita said:
The current US staff has never played technical, possession oriented soccer during their playing days. They have no appreciation or cultural identity for it. The asian countries did not either so they went out and got it. In the next 4-8 years the French and Spanish will catch and pass everyone. They will be more athletic and have a history of the technical game. They are just playing catch up do to a more cultural thing. If the US wants to get back in the game they need a clean slate, get the right coaches and it will take 8-12 years for the foundation to be corrected.
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Agree with every word you say. They have to get rid of bigger + faster + kickball and start with technical possession soccer from u8 and below and rebuild from the ground up. At this point, IMO, the writing is already on the wall. We have already been passed by at the younger age groups and it's only a matter of time before the senior NT starts seeing the same results.
 
JJP said:
Agree with every word you say. They have to get rid of bigger + faster + kickball and start with technical possession soccer from u8 and below and rebuild from the ground up. At this point, IMO, the writing is already on the wall. We have already been passed by at the younger age groups and it's only a matter of time before the senior NT starts seeing the same results.
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The way to win games is to score more goals than your opponent. Let's not get too fussy about how it is done.
 
pulguita said:
The current US staff has never played technical, possession oriented soccer during their playing days. They have no appreciation or cultural identity for it. The asian countries did not either so they went out and got it. In the next 4-8 years the French and Spanish will catch and pass everyone. They will be more athletic and have a history of the technical game. They are just playing catch up do to a more cultural thing. If the US wants to get back in the game they need a clean slate, get the right coaches and it will take 8-12 years for the foundation to be corrected.
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Both French national teams are so fun to watch! A great blend of technique and athleticism.
 
espola said:
The way to win games is to score more goals than your opponent. Let's not get too fussy about how it is done.
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This attitude is why the US is having issues .

You can easily win at younger age groups with bigger, faster, stronger plus kickball. But it's obviously not working as well when the kids age.

Unless we teach possession soccer from young ages, and sacrifice the easy victories from using athleticism and kickball, we will get passed by.
 
JJP said:
This attitude is why the US is having issues .

You can easily win at younger age groups with bigger, faster, stronger plus kickball. But it's obviously not working as well when the kids age.

Unless we teach possession soccer from young ages, and sacrifice the easy victories from using athleticism and kickball, we will get passed by.
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Fable created by losing youth coaches.
 
pulguita said:
The current US staff has never played technical, possession oriented soccer during their playing days. They have no appreciation or cultural identity for it. The asian countries did not either so they went out and got it. In the next 4-8 years the French and Spanish will catch and pass everyone. They will be more athletic and have a history of the technical game. They are just playing catch up do to a more cultural thing. If the US wants to get back in the game they need a clean slate, get the right coaches and it will take 8-12 years for the foundation to be corrected.
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What's Germany's excuse? The German team passed the US over a decade ago and then flattened or regressed.
 
JJP said:
Agree with every word you say. They have to get rid of bigger + faster + kickball and start with technical possession soccer from u8 and below and rebuild from the ground up. At this point, IMO, the writing is already on the wall. We have already been passed by at the younger age groups and it's only a matter of time before the senior NT starts seeing the same results.
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What about the Olympics last year and the SheBelieves Cup this year? And, I've already heard people say Jill Ellis was trying new formations, players etc... I do not care. We should not get trounced on home turf. Friendlies are for experimentation...
 
JJP said:
Agree with every word you say. They have to get rid of bigger + faster + kickball and start with technical possession soccer from u8 and below and rebuild from the ground up. At this point, IMO, the writing is already on the wall. We have already been passed by at the younger age groups and it's only a matter of time before the senior NT starts seeing the same results.
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Really we just have to get rid of kickball(although there are times going over the top can be the smart play). Not sure there is anything wrong with having bigger and faster. Bo Jackson with Messi skills(sorry, Bo knew baseball and football, I can just visualize him on the soccer field with amazing skills). :) Try knocking someone like that off the ball. Teach amazing technique and then take the quick, strong, and fast girls when technique is equal.

The US women just don't have the amazing footwork and touch that the top 3-4 teams have. Too often the first touch goes right towards the on rushing defender. Or a sloppy pass. 20-25 year old women should be better than that.
 
socalkdg said:
Really we just have to get rid of kickball(although there are times going over the top can be the smart play). Not sure there is anything wrong with having bigger and faster. Bo Jackson with Messi skills(sorry, Bo knew baseball and football, I can just visualize him on the soccer field with amazing skills). :) Try knocking someone like that off the ball. Teach amazing technique and then take the quick, strong, and fast girls when technique is equal.

The US women just don't have the amazing footwork and touch that the top 3-4 teams have. Too often the first touch goes right towards the on rushing defender. Or a sloppy pass. 20-25 year old women should be better than that.
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Dont discount creativity and intelligence either.
Predictability is the condiment paired with our US "style".
Maybe roasted Sonora salsa, or Caribbean spice, instead of just ketchup all the time.
 
socalkdg said:
Really we just have to get rid of kickball(although there are times going over the top can be the smart play). Not sure there is anything wrong with having bigger and faster. Bo Jackson with Messi skills(sorry, Bo knew baseball and football, I can just visualize him on the soccer field with amazing skills). :) Try knocking someone like that off the ball. Teach amazing technique and then take the quick, strong, and fast girls when technique is equal.

The US women just don't have the amazing footwork and touch that the top 3-4 teams have. Too often the first touch goes right towards the on rushing defender. Or a sloppy pass. 20-25 year old women should be better than that.
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That's what US Soccer has been selecting already. The most athletic player with a touch that has been taught over a "slightly" less athletic player with better technique, skill and IQ.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Dont discount creativity and intelligence either.
Predictability is the condiment paired with our US "style".
Maybe roasted Sonora salsa, or Caribbean spice, instead of just ketchup all the time.
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I have to wonder when our style changed to vanilla. It would seem that with such a wonderfully wide and diverse land with so many points of origin that we would have a style so free flowing and diverse as this great land. Maybe instead of us blending it all up and making a smoothie we should try for something more like a 7 layer dip. Utilizing many styles but layering them seamlessly.

I know I am dreaming but we can hope right?
 
espola said:
Fable created by losing youth coaches.
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You have to ask yourself, what exactly are you looking for in youth soccer in general, and for your kids in particular? If you are looking to win at all costs, then the easiest way is to put a fast player who can shoot up top and kickball it. It takes the least amount of skill and coaching, and you can get by sprinkling talented players in key parts of the field and surround them with lesser talent.

I love to win as much as the next guy, but I truly believe that youth soccer (before HS) should be about developing individual skills and soccer IQ. I think kickball soccer can develop longball defensive specialists and aerial receptionist specialized strikers, but that's it. Developing a team of players with high quality passing and receiving skills, and the soccer IQ to make the right runs and intelligent off ball movement is hard as hell, and it's guaranteed you will lose games during the development process because there are going to be dangerous turnovers while the team learns to play this kind of passing system.

But once you train up players capable of playing this way, you have a team of players that have the ability through ball control in tight spaces and accurate passing/intelligent off ball movement to maintain possession and create multiple scoring chances.

Soccer is the beautiful game. Why strive for ugly?
 
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