National Cup

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  1. TCD

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    Wonder what the average ranking is using @TangoCity's ranking system
     
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    Since I enjoy crunching numbers in my spare time.
    Here are the average rankings per group based on Tango's rankings.
    I took each teams ranking from each group and added them together then divided that number by the number of teams in the group.
    Group A is the only one with 3 teams rather than 4.

    Group A- 18.3
    Group B-31.75
    Group C-17.75
    Group D-18
    Group E-14
    Group F-17.25
    Group G-16.25
    Group H-30

    So based on this group E has the lowest average and Group B has the highest average.
    Curious to see if the winners from groups like E and G will be more battle tested going forward or more beat up.
     
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    We played Andy Winn's team in the TOC this past weekend. They have really turned their game up a couple of levels.
     
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    Ah, so we pulled the 3rd toughest bracket (F). Character is built on adversity.

    Good luck to everyone playing. See you on the sidelines.
     
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    Why are State Cup's level of play rules consistently off the mark for just the Coast Soccer League? Almost across the board at the youngers the rules allow the top teams from the top Coast level to play at a lower level of Sate Cup than the top teams from SCDSL and even SDDA. Totally off the mark--while one could easily make the case SCDSL has a higher number of top level teams than CSL, it's clearly not the case that the top flight CSL teams belong in Mayors while the top SDDA teams belong in Presidents (as the 2008 guide allows) or that the top flight CSL teams belong in Presidents while the top flight SDDA and SCDSL teams belong in National (as the 2005 guide allows).
     
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    I agree in the 05 age group this year they messed this one up. At the lower age groups (This years 07's and 08's) CSL only has Bronze, so you can't make every team that is in CSL play presidents. But in the 05 there is one Silver Elite bracket of 12 teams. If State cup is going to force teams from the other leagues to play National cup then they should force every team from Silver Elite CSL to be in National cup.
    Overall, most of the teams from Silver Elite that could have made any kind of run in the National cup stepped up and took on the challenge but the few that didn't may muddy the waters in presidents.
    Another option that makes sense to me is that the top 16 or at least 8 teams from CSL league cup have to play National cup.
     
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    If you are still interested, let me know. We are looking for players for Vegas and State.
     
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    Yeah, but it's not just this year. It seems routine...Last year the top flight CSL GU12 teams were allowed to play Presidents rather than National while the top flight SDDA and SCDSL GU12 teams had to play National. And certain clubs/teams took advantage of it. Just as with the 05 age group this year (the non-existent "Gold 2005s"), last year's U12 level of play guide showed a non-existent tier of CSL (the "Gold U12s") required to play in National Cup .

    And it's not just the CSL ages/sexes with a single flight. While you point out a valid reason a two-second of thought rule at the girls' 2008 level wouldn't work (can't base the rule on flight since there is only one tier of "Bronze"), that's not the case for the boys 2008 level, which splits the teams into 2 flights of bronze and silver, but still allows the silver flight to play in Mayors of all things while the top flight 08s from SDDA and SCSDL play two levels above in Presidents.

    It's like someone just doesn't do their work...if they care enough to mandate that teams have to play at a certain level for State Cup rather than letting them self-select, they should care enough to spend two minutes looking at the levels of play in the league so that the rules make sense and are applied evenly. I like your suggestion for the single flighted ages/sexes.
     
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    Does it mean anything to win a tournament, even State Cup, if you won by playing clearly weaker teams? It's kind of like sand bagging a smaller summer tournament and playing bronze when you should have played silver or gold. Yeah you won, but so what, you should have. Step up and play tough competition.
     
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    Do we really need 3 or 4 flights for a state cup tournament? Should all be one big flight and see what happens.
    If you are playing club soccer, you should compete.
     
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    I disagree. There are so many teams, and such a variance of ability, it doesn't make sense to have everyone compete in the same tournament. It's no different at the high school level with different divisions based on the size of the high school/ability level of the team (or college for that matter - D1, D2, etc).
     
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    Any idea where the first round of National Cup will be held?
     
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    My guess is SilverLakes. Their schedule say they will be hosting cal south youngers from 8a-7pm on feb 18th and 19th.
     
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    I agree neither team gains anything when the gap in ability between two teams is too great. 8-0 blowouts are bad for everyone and are very discouraging to the lower level team. It's up to the coach to know the true level of their team and place them appropriately.

    Many moons ago there was only one level of state cup up until U12 when national cup started. The brackets were seeded and the first weekend was filled with blowouts. There were lots of upset parents due to having to drive up to Lancaster in order to watch their kids teams get humiliated. Again not good for anyone.
     
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    Over the next few weeks I'll be putting together the Tech. Specs. for National Cup, feel free to PM me any information / scouting reports you may have and I'll add it to build a beefed up version of a breakdown.

    Much appreciated.
     
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    So...now that schedules are out will we see those break downs?;)
     
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    I'm working on it, next year when my DD moves down to 06 I'm going to pass the 05 age group torch to you!
     
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    Sounds good! I will take that torch and make it a bonfire. :D So, do you want the 06's next year?;)
     
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    Depends on where my DD lands next season, I've already told you I have something in the works for her, if we can put it together we might be out and about enough to get fully entrenched in the 06 scene again!
     
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