DA and ECNL

Discussion in 'ECNL' started by Desert Hound, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. MarkM

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    I cannot believe how bias that US Soccer is toward SoCal players. The numbers don't lie.
     
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    I cannot believe anyone expects the US women to win these days now that other countries are building programs. Our training has been driven by clubs that are popular with the good players and their parents like Slammers and Blues, etc. where development is not a priority and getting all the good players on one team, egos, and winning is most important.
     
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    Agreed timbuck --

    Not only were the majority of the current club coaches of these U15 WNT kids coaching at the same level for the same clubs in the ECNL just over a year ago, but, even more pertinent to the argument, the majority of the 03 kids were playing in the ECNL and the majority of the 04/05 kids would've been now. (Not to say that a handful haven't now gone back, but ...) It just happens to be a fact that the majority of the traditionally top performing ECNL clubs went DA prior to last year ... Thus, the majority of the top talent currently selected for those teams are from DA clubs.

    Easy peasy.
     
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    Good article. A difference the author neglected to highlight is GDA club oversight by and accountability to US Soccer. A number of posters on this forum think little of US Soccer, but I wonder how many of those criticisms come from actual experience and how many are just grumbling based on uninformed assumptions. I see the oversight as a definite positive so far. I’d like to see ECNL survive just long enough to pressure GDA into relaxing the HS prohibition. After that, I hope it collapses because there are a handful of players sticking to ECNL that I’d like my kid to play against. One national platform is better than two.
     
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    Says the uLittle parent....
     
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    Your position is noted MAP, and I do respect your experience. I’ll keep my eyes open.
     
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    The ECNL is not going to collapse. Pick your team, coach, and league based on what you think is best for your player but don't be confused about US Soccer.
     
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    Ahhh, I see. When the GDA is successful, it’s because of their platform, wonderful training 9 days a week training , video, the coaches, and so on.

    When they appear unsuccessful it’s because they are being coached by the same ECNL coaches from a year ago. Got it!

    The majority of top talent didn’t get selected simply because they play the ECNL game circuit. It’s pretty obvious in everything we are reading about this Concacaf down in Florida. Because of these actions, the excuses are piling on thick, and it’s lightweight comical. There’s a lot of talent out there and it appears, at this point, the Federation cut of its nose to spite its face.
     
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    8-0 final over El Salvador this morning. They have advanced.
     
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    My kid is not in ECNL or DA, but it seems obvious to me US soccer almost has to pick girls from DA just to save face, if there were just as many players from both leagues on US teams why would anyone choose DA over ECNL?
    Kind of reminds me of my son's high school baseball career, he was a good player and the "voluntary" 1200.00 donation that we felt we had to pay if he wanted to play.
    Same thing here, if you have dreams to play on a national team you better choose DA.
    Bullshit.
     
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    What is the value in a game like that? Doesn’t help against the better footballing countries. I’m really starting to worry about France and Spain and truthfully England and Netherlands too!
     
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    The YNT's both men and women will always be DA players moving forward it is their platform to promote their system. The truth is they pass over or never even look at talented kids from areas where there are no DA teams. I guess you need to be a parent willing to drive 2 hours round trip if you are outside the area or move you child to that area or chase the dream and uproot your whole family and move to the area.
    US Soccer built this divide let's not kid ourselves. GDA was done for dollars because ECNL built the working platform. Instead of working together they figured they could do it on their own.
     
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    I agree about the uprooting or moving for DA. Vegas has plenty of talent and we lose it to Salt Lake, Seattle, LA and other areas. It can become a tough choice for a child and family at 13-16yrs of age. On the girls side, I hope that US Soccer realizes that moving to a monopolistic youth squad (GDA) is a bad move. I think it is took late to look back on the boys side but I do hope boys ECNL does challenge the current mold. Just my opinion.
     
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    Only IF Panama and Costa Rica lose. They both have 4 points. If they win they they both have 7. They aren’t playing each other either.
     
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    I don’t really care what league a kid play in along as they play against consistently good competition, have good/great coaching and get to be a kid. GDA would be a great idea if US Soccer didn’t get too involved....
     
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    This is a complete misinterpretation of what I wrote.

    I'm being absolutely sincere here shalesy when I say that is understandable you're a likely a bit perturbed in thinking that your kid wasn't selected to this team due to her being with an ECNL club, which may have lead to you miscontruing my post.

    Given that Hawks, Solar, FC Dallas, SoCal Blues, Slammers, PDA, Real CO, Eclipse, FC Stars, Crossfire, and Surf (clearly the most successful girls clubs over the course of ECNL history) all went GDA prior to last year, any attempt to argue that "the majority of top talent didn’t get selected simply because they play the ECNL game circuit" this year, really is futile isn't it?

    Given that a few of the aforementioned clubs have now gone ECNL 'all in', I'd bet you'll see more ECNL kids represented on WNTs going forward. No doubt the folks at USSF know better how to run the nation's youth program than us rubes wasting our time posting here ... And no doubt they would rather win than roster an inferior GDA player to a superior ECNL player -- silly to assume otherwise really.

    Also -- sheish! ... Massive overreactions from Sherriff and BigS here as well after just one lil' tourney in one lil' age group. And when was it in your mind that the GDA was "successful"? Anyone coming on this forum for the first time would be quick to say that this just hasn't happened to this point, wouldn't they ...

    Let's lighten up a bit gentlemen ; )
     
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    This honestly has nothing to do with my DD or me being upset. Our(my) goal has always been a top college preferably one that has blue and gold as their school colors. The facts aka press releases speak for themselves. We are seeing the selections for the U20's (1/4 of the roster was GDA) and it was mentioned. The U15's they stated as much in the VERY first bullet point 17/18. It's silly for YOU to think otherwise. It's their prerogative to do so. Perhaps these actions will sway Little Suzie next time to choose GDA. What they failed to realize is Little Suzie doesn't have very much choice when it comes to the pocketbook of their parents or their geography.

    As for the success of GDA, I based my response on those of others. Many have deemed that they have had a successful year. Kudos to them! It's about doing what's best for their DD. To each its own.

    If the USSF doesn't take the best players AND coaches, we will not be able to compete. Period! I don't care if the player is in AYSO, if they are the best they deserve to be there.
     
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    Massive overreaction? Too funny, I am just contributing to the conversation.
    I will try to tone it down, no promises.
     
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    Dilly Dilly
     
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