Discussion in 'SoCalScene' started by xnd298, Oct 20, 2018.
It was put in place for the best interest of the player.
Considering how many tournaments cal-south sanctions, you’d think they wouldn’t care.
Exactly! We played in tournaments just this summer that had 5 games over 2 days, or 6 games over 3 days.
What the hell is wrong with people, seriously? This is youth soccer. If coaches and parents can’t get their act together and set a good example for young kids, what chance do these kids have? Every few months we hear a new story of coaches/parents/players breaking rules and either cheating to try and win or just doing as they please to field teams. It’s tragic.
The more stuff I read on this board and the more things I see and hear every single weekend (came across yet another absolutely cuckoo coach again today that shouldn’t be involved in kids’ soccer), instead of encouraging us that youth soccer is at least heading in the right direction, it’s clear that the opposite is true. That’s not a blanket statement; there are good people pushing in the right direction but it’s kind of like humanity right now; too many fools pushing in the opposite direction for much progress to be made.
Is it really that difficult for adults to make decisions that are in keeping with the rules and in the best interests of the kids? (none of them need to be playing multiple games in a day btw).
If Cal South allowed clubs to roster players for any number of teams a weekend some clubs would have their best players playing 4 or more games a weekend, every weekend. This is in-appropriate for any number of reasons, but from the practical standpoint of US Soccer and Cal-South (since many people insist that they don't care about the players themselves), these players risk injury and burnout and would no longer be customers.
Ok, so lets not blame them. But if they know they are breaking the rules like these kids knew, lets go ahead and suspend them a game or two and teach a worthwhile lesson; if you want to play or work within an organization, you will need to follow the rules of that organization.
Since when did accountability become a forbidden concept ?
I'm not aware of any Cal South rule specifically about this. The situation arises from leagues that allow players to play as a temporary guest on another of their club's teams, and leagues that have such a rule do it to protect players from over use.
CSL rules state that a violation of the Loan Player Program may result in the club no longer being able to participate in the loan program as well as up to $1000 dollar fine for each incident in which the club violated the rules. If CSL followed through with these punishments, the club would not be happy with the G05/G06 coach. Imagine if you are a coach within Burbank United who is using the loan program appropriately and then halfway through the season you are told you can no longer use it because another coach within your club decided he/she was above the rules, you’d probably make sure there was some severe accountability within your club.
Other clubs do something similar and get away with roster shenanigans. Big clubs where the club director knows better but still don't follow the roster rules for example SD surf has two 2003 teams in DSL where the rosters are over the limit 30 players & 27 and they are shifting them down to win games and sacrificing comp at the higher levels
B2003 Flight 1
B2003 Flight 1 discovery
Notice how players are on both rosters?
Other teams are also pulling stuff also with write in player adds on game day for players showing up from other leagues. Some naive refs acutally give the roster Sheets back to coach's who end up turing back in something other than the orginal without the write in add on.
You can called it gaming the system, cheating or whatever but it happens in more ways than most know. The age verification process, audits, and follow up for CAL south is comedy and there is lot of stuff that goes on all the time & they do very little or mimimal on really caring that people are always taking advantage , letting teams playing down in state & national cup is another one.
Scdsl allows you to play up or down a flight. As long as you are the right age.
Coast will only allow you to play up a flight or up an age group.
The enforcement is pretty weak and takes an opposing club to log a complain and then the league has to dig up the game reports.
Does DSl allow 30 players in a roster?
Does DSL allow players to be on two separate rosters so they can "loan" players to another team without limits?
Does DSl routinely "suspend" players from the 2nd match of the day or is there lack of enforcement there also?
Dang. Something seems messed up there!!
If we have club pass players, we write them in. As instructed in the game day procudures on the scdsl site.
Maybe this team entered them onto their roster instead to make the game report look cleaner?
The refs barely look.
I agree that breaking the rules is unethical, but also the leagues need to look at their rules. Clubs have to commit to teams early in the summer, but players don’t have to lock into a team until Aug 1st. If you drop a team there is a HUGE fine to the club and sometimes those teams that they thought they would fill don’t have enough players once the Aug 1st deadline hits. The league response is use your player passes or pay the fine. Smaller clubs may not have enough teams at an age to player pass. 10,000 fine Vs having an 06 play up and get game time creates a dilemma for everyone.
Well managed clubs don’t have this issue but there are some times where this happens with no fault to the club or coaches.
What Surf is doing is stupid and while legal violates the spirit of the game
They have been roster shifting since they didn't get the results they were looking for after a couple games, just look at the history.
There not the only club pulling fast ones in DSL either from what I've heard there are routinely players from other leagues showing and the refs don't notice. Seen vid & pictures of players without even numbers.
Just wait until state cup. You’ll see ecnl patches all over presidents and governors.
Look for Slammers and blues to exploit the heck out of that option. West Coast/OC Surf was also notorious for doing it. But they have all in on DA now and can’t pull DA players into cal-south games.
Will arsenal and sharks?
I think the refs need help, Leagues need to put QR codes on player cards. Refs aren't going to have a barcode scanner on their phone, but they could easily have a QR code Scanner. Each card gets scanned and if the player has played that day, the ref would know immediately.
Or people could just...you know...follow the dang rules!!!!
I think SCDSL put their club pass rule in place to help with "development." If a player on a Flight 1 team isn't getting much playing time, she can be club passed to the Flight 2 or Flight 3 team. And if a girl on the F2 team is having a great season, they can pull her up to the F1 roster.
But I don't know if that is how it works for many teams though.
The Flight 2 team has been struggling and has a game on Sunday. They Flight 1 team plays on Saturday. The Flight 2 team isn't going to ask for the girl who is only playing 5 minutes per game. They are going to look for a scorer, a brick wall in the back or the 2nd coming of Hope Solo.
Or if a F2 player is brought up (and the F1 team isn't missing any players), you'll get dirty looks for taking away playing time.
Well, there are obviously a lot of unethical people out there.
That's why my feeling is that the only way to stop it is you make the penalties very severe for everyone that participates in the scam activity.
What other accounts do you have on socalsoccer?
do I need to have another account ?
I wouldn't make an assumption that I am someone else who has commented in the past about things, because I am not.
Don't get me confused with anyone else.