Turning Pro at 13

MakeAPlay said:
Damn did you say driving without a license? You fail to understand the disparities in the application of the law when the subject is white and when the subject is non-white. Please spend some significant time in a situation where you are 13% or less of the population then give me your opinions. Until then your opinion means less than nothing.
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Good thing you didn't cherry pick "smoking weed" and "driving without" a license. For a second there, I thought you might acknowledge the "over 30 arrests for grand larceny, resisting arrest, false impersonation and assault."

You're right... poor man was a saint. I guess those are black crimes and not white crimes.
 
The Outlaw said:
Good thing you didn't cherry pick "smoking weed" and "driving without" a license. For a second there, I thought you might acknowledge the "over 30 arrests for grand larceny, resisting arrest, false impersonation and assault."

You're right... poor man was a saint. I guess those are black crimes and not white crimes.
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These kids are being raised to hate cops, how could Dr Dre and MAPs kids respect police when this BS is all they here at home?

Personal responsibility.
Listen to the police and do what they say.
I know I have told my white kids that.
 
The Outlaw said:
Good thing you didn't cherry pick "smoking weed" and "driving without" a license. For a second there, I thought you might acknowledge the "over 30 arrests for grand larceny, resisting arrest, false impersonation and assault."

You're right... poor man was a saint. I guess those are black crimes and not white crimes.
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There are a lot of racist cops. There are also a lot of good police officers. Unfortunately the two do not seem to mix often enough. People of color tend to use illegal drugs at a slightly lower rate than whites. You would not be able to tell that by looking at the people in prison for drug crimes.
 
outside! said:
There are a lot of racist cops. There are also a lot of good police officers. Unfortunately the two do not seem to mix often enough. People of color tend to use illegal drugs at a slightly lower rate than whites. You would not be able to tell that by looking at the people in prison for drug crimes.
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Fake News.
 
As a white dude I can honestly say outlaw you are on the wrong side here. Of course we’d hope for any person on a pedestal to not push drugs and violence and hating police. BUT we have to lay the same amount of culpability on our society that created that reality for some people. We abolished slavery and then made loitering a crime. We didn’t give home loans or allow black home ownership in huge swaths of society. We didn’t give jobs or education to black people and kids. For decades. Then we scratch our heads and wonder why they are just so upset. And pontificate on here about “how if they would just keep their noses clean and listen to cops all would be well.”
Would it? Philando Castile was killed 90 seconds after being stopped. If “freeze put your hands up don’t move keep your hands where I can see them” is one sentence what do you do?

And I’ve walked into stores with black friends and had them stopped by security/followed/ asked to put their bag at the counter. Black friends who make more than I do by the way.

It’s not as simple as following police orders when they are shooting 90 seconds into the interaction.

And again society has pinned the black people down into the dirt with one hand for decades and then used the other hand to gesture wildly to one another about how the black man just can’t seem to get his act together.

If you are so upset about folks complaining about police brutality take that passion right down to your local police department and ask them what they are doing to better train their officers. Or head on over to the local inner city high school and volunteer your time and money to enable those kids to have the same opportunities like the suburban kids.
 
1. Philando Castile was rumored to be a crip gang member. He carried a gun... it wasn't for white people or cops.
2. Philando was told, 3 times, to not reach for his gun. I would not have shot that quickly... but none of us were there.
3. Philando's girlfriend proved to be a thug... and Philando, himself, had little to no respect for basic laws. That's documented. If you don't pay your registration tags, you don't have insurance, you continue to drive on a suspended license, over and over again, as in nearly 50 times, you're going to have problems. Who do we blame for that? Cops? Do traffic laws only apply to certain people?

I think the people who need better training are those who refuse to drop the gun, attempt to drive over police officers in an effort to get away, or will not drop the knife despite being warned 20 times... and that goes for everyone. I don't have any sympathy for violent, habitual criminals who become martyrs because they backed police into a corner. For me, that detracts from real victims. I don't need to donate my money to kids of less opportunity. That isn't going to make them respect the laws and rights of others.
 
The Outlaw said:
1. Philando Castile was rumored to be a crip gang member. He carried a gun... it wasn't for white people or cops.
2. Philando was told, 3 times, to not reach for his gun. I would not have shot that quickly... but none of us were there.
3. Philando's girlfriend proved to be a thug... and Philando, himself, had little to no respect for basic laws. That's documented. If you don't pay your registration tags, you don't have insurance, you continue to drive on a suspended license, over and over again, as in nearly 50 times, you're going to have problems. Who do we blame for that? Cops? Do traffic laws only apply to certain people?

I think the people who need better training are those who refuse to drop the gun, attempt to drive over police officers in an effort to get away, or will not drop the knife despite being warned 20 times... and that goes for everyone. I don't have any sympathy for violent, habitual criminals who become martyrs because they backed police into a corner. For me, that detracts from real victims. I don't need to donate my money to kids of less opportunity. That isn't going to make them respect the laws and rights of others.
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This post illustrates exactly why people are kneeling, and why people of color are scared cops. A bunch of excuses for murder by police. Glad you’re not a cop. People are protesting people like you who do wear that blue uniform.
 
The Outlaw said:
1. Philando Castile was rumored to be a crip gang member. He carried a gun... it wasn't for white people or cops.
2. Philando was told, 3 times, to not reach for his gun. I would not have shot that quickly... but none of us were there.
3. Philando's girlfriend proved to be a thug... and Philando, himself, had little to no respect for basic laws. That's documented. If you don't pay your registration tags, you don't have insurance, you continue to drive on a suspended license, over and over again, as in nearly 50 times, you're going to have problems. Who do we blame for that? Cops? Do traffic laws only apply to certain people?

I think the people who need better training are those who refuse to drop the gun, attempt to drive over police officers in an effort to get away, or will not drop the knife despite being warned 20 times... and that goes for everyone. I don't have any sympathy for violent, habitual criminals who become martyrs because they backed police into a corner. For me, that detracts from real victims. I don't need to donate my money to kids of less opportunity. That isn't going to make them respect the laws and rights of others.
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This post makes me weep. My law abiding, excellent grade having, half-white daughter who’s boyfriend is half Hispanic and from La Jolla has experienced racism from those in authority and you just can’t see past your own narrow experience because you “read about it.” One of my best friends is a police lieutenant and a woman of color and she has experienced harassment from other law enforcement officers throughout her career. She will be the first to tell you that the prevalence of police misdeeds is much higher than reported.
 
MakeAPlay said:
This post makes me weep. My law abiding, excellent grade having, half-white daughter who’s boyfriend is half Hispanic and from La Jolla has experienced racism from those in authority and you just can’t see past your own narrow experience because you “read about it.” One of my best friends is a police lieutenant and a woman of color and she has experienced harassment from other law enforcement officers throughout her career. She will be the first to tell you that the prevalence of police misdeeds is much higher than reported.
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My wife is Filipina. Her sister's high school boyfriend (a Filipino) was hassled by police as he was cleaning out his car after a night out on a date. The treatment ended when a neighbor (an Asian SDPD officer) came out and vouched for him. This happened in Mira Mesa, a neighborhood known in San Diego for its relatively high population of Asians, especially Filipino and Vietnamese.
 
Yeah, we all have our stories of bad cops and racism. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with sympathizing with real criminals. Violent criminals. Criminals that made a career out of victimizing innocent people... which was my original point. If you want to make martyrs out of them, have at it. I have sympathy for real victims... not professional thugs that lost a fight with cops.

That's it for me on this subject.
 
The Outlaw said:
1. Philando Castile was rumored to be a crip gang member. He carried a gun... it wasn't for white people or cops.
2. Philando was told, 3 times, to not reach for his gun. I would not have shot that quickly... but none of us were there.
3. Philando's girlfriend proved to be a thug... and Philando, himself, had little to no respect for basic laws. That's documented. If you don't pay your registration tags, you don't have insurance, you continue to drive on a suspended license, over and over again, as in nearly 50 times, you're going to have problems. Who do we blame for that? Cops? Do traffic laws only apply to certain people?

I think the people who need better training are those who refuse to drop the gun, attempt to drive over police officers in an effort to get away, or will not drop the knife despite being warned 20 times... and that goes for everyone. I don't have any sympathy for violent, habitual criminals who become martyrs because they backed police into a corner. For me, that detracts from real victims. I don't need to donate my money to kids of less opportunity. That isn't going to make them respect the laws and rights of others.
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Um nope nope nope nope.

He was compliant. The officer had a history of volatile behavior. Ok fine. Bad situation. BUT HE WAS ACQUITTED!!! That's the issue. Bad cops happen. But there is no justice. That's why the kneeling is happening. That's the outrage. It's one more symptom of a larger problem. Bad people are everywhere. Ok. fine. But our justice system isn't giving justice to those wronged by the bad people.

You might need to read up on this situation:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/video-police-shooting-philando-castile-trial.html
 
Shall we start a new thread to further vet the racial inequalities so we can get back to debating about a 13yr old girl going pro?

Not sure whether to laugh or cry about the statement above.....smh
 
The Outlaw said:
why does the African-American community continue to support black criminals that were shot and killed by police when A) They were criminals their entire lives and B) They refused to comply with police and died because of it.
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Because... if a white person does the exact same thing, they are less likely to get shot or killed. A white "thug" is also less likely be confronted by the police in the first place because they are less likely to be assumed to be doing wrong. If you pull over every black man in the country, you're going to find more black criminals. If whites were confronted by police at the same rates as blacks, they would be filling the prisons as well.
 
focomoso said:
Because... if a white person does the exact same thing, they are less likely to get shot or killed. A white "thug" is also less likely be confronted by the police in the first place because they are less likely to be assumed to be doing wrong. If you pull over every black man in the country, you're going to find more black criminals. If whites were confronted by police at the same rates as blacks, they would be filling the prisons as well.
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And that, Mr. Focomoso, is a truth so obvious it’s sad you have to explain it.
 
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