Opinions on todays transgender players?

But this is hypothetical so maybe it's you that is offended when there is no reason to be. We are just talking about something that might happen.
'You are but what am I?' Is this now how we lead?

If you're going to make an argument about race, for example, leading with 'Them n-word' probably wouldn't get the result you are after. I have no reason to be offended by any of this personally, just pointing out that this is a good way to have POV passed over...
 
4 sixteen year old males who identify as females whether legitimate or not ( remember to question it is brandishing you as a bigot,homophobe,religious zealot) playing on a team against all females....

It's getting tiring to reply to all this foolish drivel. Have a good night.
 
Really? So you read the article, considered the source and deemed it not worthy? Or was it that it did not agree with your narrative...
It was publishef on federalist.com - an opinion piece on a conservative web site. I don't need someone elses opinion added, you have yours, I have mine. I tried posting facts from sources known for facts, not opinions... nothing inherently wrong w opinion pieces, but thats what they are, opinions...
 
It was publishef on federalist.com - an opinion piece on a conservative web site. I don't need someone elses opinion added, you have yours, I have mine. I tried posting facts from sources known for facts, not opinions... nothing inherently wrong w opinion pieces, but thats what they are, opinions...
You should open your mind and read the article.
 
Holy crap... ok, i'm going to give my two cents if anyone is still up for somewhat civilized discussion... it's a very important question.

Personally, I don't care if the kid is transgendered or not but two things come to mind for me:

1) I don't think they created a girls league simply to segregate the sexes, rather it was accepted that due to genetics, men/boys typically have physical advantages over women/girls - and as such, they wanted to have a league where women/girls could find fair and challenging competition - the game is much more fun when it's a level playing field. Ultimately, if you're playing a sport, you should be playing in a league and with teammates where you are able to compete on relatively the same level so you're challenged. Boy or girl, if you're completely dominating everybody, it's not doing you, nor anybody else any favors and most players who want to be the best will simply play up or in another league. For girls, especially in smaller towns, that may mean playing on a boys team and most of us wouldn't have an issue with that - in fact, we'd applaud her. I think from reading the posts, this is the primary concern - that a player with the genetic makeup of a boy would naturally have an unfair advantage over the rest of the girls. I guess my view is, well, if this player who is a biological male truly is playing at the same competitive level as the other girls in that league, by all means go for it - transgendered or not. That said, if they are completely dominating or are obviously at an unfair advantage, like what we've seen in wrestling - it truly undermines the integrity of "fair" competition and again, really does the kid no favors - they should find/play/wrestle in a class/league that would be challenging for them. In soccer, that could mean the transgender kid could play up or with their biological gender - like any other girl/boy who was outplaying the rest of their teammates and league.

At the highest levels, this method does break down a bit because we all know that there are teams/countries out there who would be more than willing to take advantage of this to win - for example, what if Russia decides to bring on a whole team of transgendered players into the women's competition? In theory, if it's allowed, that could completely change the game and could possibly completely ruin it for genetic females to have an opportunity to play if the rest of the world followed suit. Which is why I think at that level, they probably should enforce genetic gender and brings me to point #2.

2) In regards to sensitivity towards the player - well, this is a tough one, but my perspective is the world cannot revolve around one person, nor minority (and I say this as a minority). Everyone has their issues and things they're struggling with. The same kid who's dealing with transgender issues may have a teammate or opponent who's dealing with something else - and they could completely conflict. You really can't expect everyone to cater to your kid's needs. Life is tough. Just because my kid is allergic to peanut butter, I can't expect every other kid in school to give up eating PB&J sandwiches... Yes, my kid could die. But it is a gross overstep in someone else's freedom to pursue their happiness and well, my kid needs to find a way to accept and survive with his condition. Allowing a transgendered kid to play in a league where he/she is dominating other players may bolster his/her confidence, but at the same time can be discouraging to numerous other players he/she competes against and ruin the game for them. If you stick with #1, I think most people would not have as much issue with it.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts... feel free to flame away... =)
 
I say play in the gender you "currently" are. If you have a penis then you play with boys and if you don't you play with girls.
That's it.
 
I say play in the gender you "currently" are. If you have a penis then you play with boys and if you don't you play with girls.
That's it.

I recall that when girls first started playing Little League some leagues required all players to prove they were wearing a cup by knocking on it ("cup check"). Girls were not excluded from that exercise.
 
A few comments then I am finished here

1. Who does a genital check? The DOC, team manager? Or is it done on an ad hoc basis if another parents questions a child gender. Would my 5'8, 140 lb 13 year old with short hair be checked to make sure she doesn't have a penis?

2. Your children may have already played against a transgender girl and you had no idea. Unless you are a weirdo who obsesses about that sort of thing.

3. Since you guys dont want your daughters to play against competition that supposedly has a physical advantage, I guess we need a separate league for tall girls, big boned girls, fast girls, girls with professional athlete parents, etc.

4. Since, according you you guys,transgender girls are all physically imposing Messi's, do you know any that would like to join my kids teams??
 
Thank heavens the parents of that little girl are not as closed minded as you are.

God doesn't make mistakes right


These are the same people that would have balked at their child playing with African American children in the 50s, and gay children in the 90s. Let's hope that with our children's generation comes more enlightenment.


Considering Trump still has an approval rating of about 35% you can't be shocked at ignorance anymore.


It's like when they said allowing gay marriage would somehow damage the institution of marriage. The world isn't going to fall apart because your child may compete against a transgender child.


But you are supposed to HATE her for being transgender. That is their point.

My bad. Add politics and sexual orientation to the hate and race you brought to forum as well.
 
A few comments then I am finished here

1. Who does a genital check? The DOC, team manager? Or is it done on an ad hoc basis if another parents questions a child gender. Would my 5'8, 140 lb 13 year old with short hair be checked to make sure she doesn't have a penis?

2. Your children may have already played against a transgender girl and you had no idea. Unless you are a weirdo who obsesses about that sort of thing.

3. Since you guys dont want your daughters to play against competition that supposedly has a physical advantage, I guess we need a separate league for tall girls, big boned girls, fast girls, girls with professional athlete parents, etc.

4. Since, according you you guys,transgender girls are all physically imposing Messi's, do you know any that would like to join my kids teams??

1) I see your attempt at dramatizing the opposing view to make it seem ridiculous, but in most cases you would really just need to check their birth certificate, most states will only allow birth certificate changes after reassignment surgery, rendering genital checks unnecessary. But again, to me it's not an issue about actual gender so long as she/he is playing at the right level, which leads to #2.

2) exactly, I don't think most people care in this situation. Seems like more people have an issue when there is more attention drawn to it and it becomes more about making a statement for transgender rights, etc... than about the game. to me it seems like it was rarely ever an issue in North Carolina until someone tried to force people to allow transgendered people into the other bathrooms (which to me is obvious, if you're dressed and look like a woman and not looking for trouble, just go in the women's bathroom, do your business and be done just like everyone else!) - if everyone just went about their business, it would've been fine with rare exception. Wasn't the whole point of it to draw less attention to transgendered? And yet somehow it became a national issue that's dividing the country - and all over a very small percentage of the population.

3) again, see my post above that you blindly rated "dumb" - in all those cases, significantly bigger/stronger/faster/genetics, all those parents would most likely play their kids up if they could. And if they didn't, you'd probably hear parents bitching on the sidelines about that player as well if they were just clearly above their peers.

4) again, not sure why you rated the idea that so long as they fit in competitively it was fine as a dumb idea... it would appear to me that your goal is to force society to accept the idea of transgendered and less about soccer and fair competition. From my experience, the more you try to force people to your views or change their mind, the more pushback you're going to get. is your goal for the transgendered person to get a chance to play soccer or to make a statement?
 
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