Women's CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying

NorCalDad said:
Why does wanting higher quality coaching and less boot/bully ball mean everyone has a kid that is going to play on the national team? That makes zero sense to me. We all pay a premium for club soccer, why not get our money's worth? It would also be great if we could save some money on medical bills.
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It shouldn't but that doesn't appear to be the case in forums like these. Plenty of parents blaming refs, style of play, clubs, coaches, etc for shortfalls. Plenty of powerhouse CA clubs that are placing girls in college year in and year out. Seems like they are doing exactly what parents want. It's our system, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. Have you checked out HS soccer lately. Talk about bully ball.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching good soccer. I just know what really controls soccer in the US...$$$, parents, big clubs....

Everyone wants to save money.
 
Happened again said:
It shouldn't but that doesn't appear to be the case in forums like these. Plenty of parents blaming refs, style of play, clubs, coaches, etc for shortfalls. Plenty of powerhouse CA clubs that are placing girls in college year in and year out. Seems like they are doing exactly what parents want. It's our system, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. Have you checked out HS soccer lately. Talk about bully ball.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching good soccer. I just know what really controls soccer in the US...$$$, parents, big clubs....

Everyone wants to save money.
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I think we're on the same page more than we're not. I know it's not likely things will change given the financial dynamics. Perhaps it might if the USWNT starts to slip....but it would take years for a shift to happen.

High school soccer is incredibly hard to watch.
 
NorCalDad said:
Anyone watch the NED vs USA U20 game? Is it online anywhere. Curious how that played out.
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The Dutch put on quite the show. Compact shape, possession, and counterack neutralized the athletiscm of the U20s. The back line looked slow and were often out of position. As a commentator pointed out, they didn't really look themselves, especially after a successful run through Europe earlier this year. US coaches looked a tad bit worried and panicky throughout the game.

The U17s head to spain later this year.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
US looked pretty bad. I do expect that to turn around but Japan will test them on many levels.
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I suspect they will adjust and come out firing on all cylinders to make up GD. They played the Dutch in JUNE, won in PKs in a tight match. Great opportunity to see how they respond. They looked frustrated and surpised. The Dutch are good, hold possesion and have size/skill. They broke our high press and our backline failed miserably at 1 vs 1 defending.

Next game will be exciting, the US has to run up the score (if they even can). The Dutch will have to do the same.
 
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
 
It’s one game… at U20.. what’s up with all the sky is falling routine? Do we really think all of the best girls make these teams? Or that coaches can’t make adjustments? USA is the standard for womens soccer as it stands right now. Losing once or even twice statistically will happen. This is a great opportunity for the US U20 team to learn and improve.
 
jojon said:
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
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...and tennis, and karate, and all kinds of hockey, and lacrosse, and golf...

And I'm not making any of those up.

There may also have been one kid lost to fencing in my experience.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
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jojon said:
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
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Can someone, anyone, please tell us how much it costs a Spanish, or Dutch, or English or French girl to play elite club soccer at the youth level? Can any of you explain how many club options exist for girls in those countries? Can any of you identify a single non-American girls youth coach in the entire world who is a better than the best that US has to offer? Can someone please identify the fantasy country where girls get the best training in the world for free?

And since when are Brazil, Japan and the Netherlands on the same level of the US? With the incredibly unlucky exception of one game against Japan in 2011, the US has beaten the shit out of those teams every single time it has mattered since the beginning of time. Japan is crap. Brazil is crap. And the Dutch are on their way down.

Also keep in mind that there are approximately 2 players in every birth year who provide meaningful contributions to the WNT. Having the best U20 team doesn't mean anything. Having the best 2 players, however, is what counts for the WNT.
 
jojon said:
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
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No..still ahead by a rather large margins. Cherry pick the teams if you want. Compare the U15s/16s and tell me what you get. The 17s go to Spain later this year, lets see what happens.

"In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular " - also not true..maybe more true in Brazil than the others but not true anymore. Plenty of $$ going to the girls. Better late than never. Did you catch the Euro?

They had a bad game..it's ok to have a bad game. It's also ok to not 100% dominate every game.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
It’s one game… at U20.. what’s up with all the sky is falling routine? Do we really think all of the best girls make these teams? Or that coaches can’t make adjustments? USA is the standard for womens soccer as it stands right now. Losing once or even twice statistically will happen. This is a great opportunity for the US U20 team to learn and improve.
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Happens every time..sky is always falling and our girs are regressing...we'll have this conversataion again in 10 years. Remember when the senior team lost in 2016? Pandemonium..
 
TeamDadJokes said:
It’s one game… at U20.. what’s up with all the sky is falling routine? Do we really think all of the best girls make these teams? Or that coaches can’t make adjustments? USA is the standard for womens soccer as it stands right now. Losing once or even twice statistically will happen. This is a great opportunity for the US U20 team to learn and improve.
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I looked at previous U20 rosters and who became stars at NWSL and USWNT, saw about 4 from each roster. Shooting 15-20% on identifying the best of the best. Michelle Cooper and Alyssa Thompson seem like two that will make it. The US college system seems to highlight additional ladies that end up playing for the USWNT. With DA, ECNL, ODP losing it's luster and the new PDP, many girls are getting missed.
 
GoldenGate said:
Can someone, anyone, please tell us how much it costs a Spanish, or Dutch, or English or French girl to play elite club soccer at the youth level? Can any of you explain how many club options exist for girls in those countries? Can any of you identify a single non-American girls youth coach in the entire world who is a better than the best that US has to offer? Can someone please identify the fantasy country where girls get the best training in the world for free?
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Not many people are claiming it should be free. The European club options for young women and girls are growing and mostly funded through professional clubs who pay for the coaches and and facilities and travel (and education). Their incentives are weighted heavily to finding and developing the best players regardless of the family's socio-economic background.

The incentives in US youth soccer (across genders) are heavily weighted to finding the most players with the socio-economic background to pay as much money per year as they can. Developing players still happens but is secondary as a means to justify the high costs.

The US system has the 'benefit' of creating more opportunities for youths to play organized soccer with mediocre professional coaches who aren't really held accountable to much. But the US is large enough so they will continue to produce within that system. There are some great youth coaches if you are fortunate to live close enough to where they are and can afford it.


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socalkdg said:
I looked at previous U20 rosters and who became stars at NWSL and USWNT, saw about 4 from each roster. Shooting 15-20% on identifying the best of the best. Michelle Cooper and Alyssa Thompson seem like two that will make it. The US college system seems to highlight additional ladies that end up playing for the USWNT. With DA, ECNL, ODP losing it's luster and the new PDP, many girls are getting missed.
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A great example is right here in SoCal. CalSouth only picked players to represent ODP at CalSouth State Cup last year and everyone who was in SoCal league was skipped for the 2010 age group.
 
Happened again said:
I suspect they will adjust and come out firing on all cylinders to make up GD. They played the Dutch in JUNE, won in PKs in a tight match. Great opportunity to see how they respond. They looked frustrated and surpised. The Dutch are good, hold possesion and have size/skill. They broke our high press and our backline failed miserably at 1 vs 1 defending.

Next game will be exciting, the US has to run up the score (if they even can). The Dutch will have to do the same.
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How’s that Japan game going? I think USA will win big! We’ve got a very impressive paytoplay youth development program!
 
U20 Japan game another example that our kickball doesn't work against a technical side. The japanese ladies much smaller and slower, but every japanese player better technically than our "star" Moultrie and our big/fast players consistently turn the ball over and don't have the finishing consistency. Keep identifying the early growth girls at 12yrs old USA and riding those players all the way through - you get the same results. This U20 coach clearly doesn't know what she's doing either, but you're never gonna get high quality coaches to take that job. These players have kickball success in college because there isn't a high-quality technical side like Japan in D1. Too bad bc it's beautiful soccer.
 
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