Women's CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying

MacDre said:
Definitely good clubs and coaches out there. I actually think the majority of the problem lies with the players and referees. I think the refs could call games tighter and essentially eliminate bully ball. In terms of players, I think overall there’s a lack of interest/passion for soccer. The girls on my kids team could care less about soccer outside of practice so, even if more clubs were better, I don’t think the culture/passion is there yet for the players to take advantage of improved conditions if clubs were to offer it.
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This is a big country with many players, refs, clubs, coaches. There is one out there for ya. Why you gotta blame the 15 year old kid or the middle aged person trying to ref - makeing extra $$ or getting some excercise? He/she is the barrier to greatness? come on man.

All of a sudden everyone has a kid that is going to play on the national team? People/parents are crazy. Parents are what's wrong with youth sports, not the refs.
 
Happened again said:
This is a big country with many players, refs, clubs, coaches. There is one out there for ya. Why you gotta blame the 15 year old kid or the middle aged person trying to ref - makeing extra $$ or getting some excercise? He/she is the barrier to greatness? come on man.

All of a sudden everyone has a kid that is going to play on the national team? People/parents are crazy. Parents are what's wrong with youth sports, not the refs.
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Why does wanting higher quality coaching and less boot/bully ball mean everyone has a kid that is going to play on the national team? That makes zero sense to me. We all pay a premium for club soccer, why not get our money's worth? It would also be great if we could save some money on medical bills.
 
NorCalDad said:
Well @GoldenGate this is probably going to blow your mind, but you don't know my kids and what they're into (which is much more than just soccer). You seem to be under the assumption that anyone who posts on a soccer forum that they have nothing else going on in life. You really like putting people in boxes, regardless of the limited amount of data you have to do so. I get it, it allows you to admonish people which probably creates some kind of endorphin rush and makes you feel good inside. But, let's be honest, you have no interest in having a conversation nor are you adding any real value to this conversation. Every single one of your manifestos could be summarized with "US girls soccer is good, no need to change anything". Like literally all of your other words are wasted bits on the Internet -- like plastic in the great pacific garbage patch.

For what it's worth, I have zero motivation for any of my kids to play professional, on the national team, or in college. I mean how could I? I'm not them. We let our kids lead with their interests. We help them however we can. I'm a firm believer sport (especially team based sports) provide valuable life building blocks that they will carry on through their lives. One thing I'm not fond of is someone, you, saying the girls game is different than the boys game....just because. I get your reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, but if you have been paying attention, you would have seen that I'm actually advocating for a less intense, less anxiety prone, environment in soccer for girls. Hearing parents, who have no idea what they're talking about, on the sidelines yelling at their "alphas" to "go get her" is what I'm advocating against. Perhaps you're one of those parents. You certainly don't seem to care about concussion rates in girls soccer.

There's no anger over on this keyboard. Just discussing the state of girls soccer in the US and how it could potentially be different if parents/players demanded higher quality play over wins. Eventually I will be proven right at an international level.
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I see. So your entire point is that you think little girls should just be better at soccer and it would be better for America if every parent in America and their little girls just committed much more of their time to developing excellent first touches on the ball instead of on things that are, uh, more important to them? Spending more time on their first touches provides far more "valuable life building blacks that will carry on through their lives" than any of the things that they need to sacrifice to become little Cruyffs?

I like this game and would like to play. I think little girls should just continue committing to soccer to the extent they want to and spend their time on what is important to them, not some clown who loses his mind with the low quality of play he sees watching U13 games on youtube wants.
 
GoldenGate said:
I see, so you're admitting that it really doesn't matter what youth clubs teach because, like Macario, girls learn what they need to know about the "cognitive" "complexities" of the "beautiful game" by 11 years old? That she learned everything she needed to know by the time she was 12 years old when she moved here? Or are you admitting that pure athleticism like she possesses is far more important than "technical skill"? Or are you saying the US should be like Brazil because that country does so well at developing female soccer players?

What is your point? My point is that Surf, ECNL and Stanford helped convert an incredibly athletic 12 year old girl into someone who may end up becoming the best female soccer player who ever lived, and that it is ridiculous to discount that just because she was really good when she was 11. My point is that she also has the most valuable asset she could possibly have if her injury bug continues (a Stanford degree), which by itself makes the American youth "system" better than wtf goes on down in Brazil. Or Spain. Or anywhere else.
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Catarina's skills were for the most part developed when she played against boys in Brazil. Of course her tactical awareness and soccer IQ continued to develop as she grew and Surf and Stanford provided a good environment for that, but she was already much more than just a very athletic girl when she moved here. Everyone that saw that first game she played against Legends knew they had just seen a special player.

I never said development for girls was better in Brazil, they treat their women's national team like crap. Catarina had to move away and was fortunate that her parents were able to afford living in two countries. The US currently has the best environment for developing female soccer players but it could be better if it didn't price out many young players.
 
NorCalDad said:
Why does wanting higher quality coaching and less boot/bully ball mean everyone has a kid that is going to play on the national team? That makes zero sense to me. We all pay a premium for club soccer, why not get our money's worth? It would also be great if we could save some money on medical bills.
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It shouldn't but that doesn't appear to be the case in forums like these. Plenty of parents blaming refs, style of play, clubs, coaches, etc for shortfalls. Plenty of powerhouse CA clubs that are placing girls in college year in and year out. Seems like they are doing exactly what parents want. It's our system, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. Have you checked out HS soccer lately. Talk about bully ball.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching good soccer. I just know what really controls soccer in the US...$$$, parents, big clubs....

Everyone wants to save money.
 
Happened again said:
It shouldn't but that doesn't appear to be the case in forums like these. Plenty of parents blaming refs, style of play, clubs, coaches, etc for shortfalls. Plenty of powerhouse CA clubs that are placing girls in college year in and year out. Seems like they are doing exactly what parents want. It's our system, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. Have you checked out HS soccer lately. Talk about bully ball.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching good soccer. I just know what really controls soccer in the US...$$$, parents, big clubs....

Everyone wants to save money.
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I think we're on the same page more than we're not. I know it's not likely things will change given the financial dynamics. Perhaps it might if the USWNT starts to slip....but it would take years for a shift to happen.

High school soccer is incredibly hard to watch.
 
NorCalDad said:
Anyone watch the NED vs USA U20 game? Is it online anywhere. Curious how that played out.
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The Dutch put on quite the show. Compact shape, possession, and counterack neutralized the athletiscm of the U20s. The back line looked slow and were often out of position. As a commentator pointed out, they didn't really look themselves, especially after a successful run through Europe earlier this year. US coaches looked a tad bit worried and panicky throughout the game.

The U17s head to spain later this year.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
US looked pretty bad. I do expect that to turn around but Japan will test them on many levels.
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I suspect they will adjust and come out firing on all cylinders to make up GD. They played the Dutch in JUNE, won in PKs in a tight match. Great opportunity to see how they respond. They looked frustrated and surpised. The Dutch are good, hold possesion and have size/skill. They broke our high press and our backline failed miserably at 1 vs 1 defending.

Next game will be exciting, the US has to run up the score (if they even can). The Dutch will have to do the same.
 
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
 
It’s one game… at U20.. what’s up with all the sky is falling routine? Do we really think all of the best girls make these teams? Or that coaches can’t make adjustments? USA is the standard for womens soccer as it stands right now. Losing once or even twice statistically will happen. This is a great opportunity for the US U20 team to learn and improve.
 
jojon said:
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
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...and tennis, and karate, and all kinds of hockey, and lacrosse, and golf...

And I'm not making any of those up.

There may also have been one kid lost to fencing in my experience.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
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jojon said:
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
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Can someone, anyone, please tell us how much it costs a Spanish, or Dutch, or English or French girl to play elite club soccer at the youth level? Can any of you explain how many club options exist for girls in those countries? Can any of you identify a single non-American girls youth coach in the entire world who is a better than the best that US has to offer? Can someone please identify the fantasy country where girls get the best training in the world for free?

And since when are Brazil, Japan and the Netherlands on the same level of the US? With the incredibly unlucky exception of one game against Japan in 2011, the US has beaten the shit out of those teams every single time it has mattered since the beginning of time. Japan is crap. Brazil is crap. And the Dutch are on their way down.

Also keep in mind that there are approximately 2 players in every birth year who provide meaningful contributions to the WNT. Having the best U20 team doesn't mean anything. Having the best 2 players, however, is what counts for the WNT.
 
jojon said:
Does the U20 women team recent performances finally show that we have inferior youth soccer development?
The boys can hide behind the fact that we have our best athletes "stolen" by football, basketball, baseball and maybe even track and field.
Girls soccer definitely has the biggest selection pool in the world plus consistent training and regular matches since a very young age.
In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular and yet they are at the same level with us (with less total population and definitely less money spent).
I don't know if it is coaching, pay to play scheme leaving out too many talented players or college experience disrupting the development.
Whatever it is, other nations are catching up thus proves their system is better. No wonder our boys cannot catch up with the world.
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No..still ahead by a rather large margins. Cherry pick the teams if you want. Compare the U15s/16s and tell me what you get. The 17s go to Spain later this year, lets see what happens.

"In Brazil, Japan, Netherland, England, girl's soccer is still not popular " - also not true..maybe more true in Brazil than the others but not true anymore. Plenty of $$ going to the girls. Better late than never. Did you catch the Euro?

They had a bad game..it's ok to have a bad game. It's also ok to not 100% dominate every game.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
It’s one game… at U20.. what’s up with all the sky is falling routine? Do we really think all of the best girls make these teams? Or that coaches can’t make adjustments? USA is the standard for womens soccer as it stands right now. Losing once or even twice statistically will happen. This is a great opportunity for the US U20 team to learn and improve.
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Happens every time..sky is always falling and our girs are regressing...we'll have this conversataion again in 10 years. Remember when the senior team lost in 2016? Pandemonium..
 
TeamDadJokes said:
It’s one game… at U20.. what’s up with all the sky is falling routine? Do we really think all of the best girls make these teams? Or that coaches can’t make adjustments? USA is the standard for womens soccer as it stands right now. Losing once or even twice statistically will happen. This is a great opportunity for the US U20 team to learn and improve.
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I looked at previous U20 rosters and who became stars at NWSL and USWNT, saw about 4 from each roster. Shooting 15-20% on identifying the best of the best. Michelle Cooper and Alyssa Thompson seem like two that will make it. The US college system seems to highlight additional ladies that end up playing for the USWNT. With DA, ECNL, ODP losing it's luster and the new PDP, many girls are getting missed.
 
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