Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

Here's another sciency thing. One little noticed provision that might stop things from opening up is "equity" because science! Those goalposts have come a long way from keeping the hospitals from being flooded.




One thin that would help all of you guys's credibility is if you gave the official reason given by California for moving the "goal posts" and then rebutted those reasons.

For example, the official reason for slowing down the reopening and issuing these new guidelines was because the last time we "reopened" in California we did so too quickly and the numbers shot back up. I'm not arguing one way or another, but everybody on here is just assuming California is making this shit up. I don't listen to the daily updates so I don't know the official reasons for everything, but I did happen to catch the one I stated.

And in a nail salon, isn't the person doing the nails right in front of you in close proximity for a decent amount of time v. a hair dresser who is usually behind you?
 
they don't get due process if attacking someone. The kid has a right to defend himself. They were so scared of the guy with a gun they were chasing him down the street. One guy tried to cave his head in with a skate board and the other has a pistol. No soup for any of them
He will walk away with a gun charge no jail time

Hey dubmass, do you know why they were running after him? Because he already had killed someone at the gas station. The other guy had a pistol, where did you read that fake news? And guess what, with self defense you can only use comparable force. Carrying an assault rifle to a fist fight defeats that defense. The prosecutors will use the footage of a "smart" vigilante who was using his hands to push people away from a confrontation while his assault rifle was swinging on his side. He and other vigilante's around him knew they couldn't grab and aim their assault rifle's at protesters who were not armed.
 
Went to the park yesterday and today, I saw flag football practice, adults playing soccer, softball practice, regular football practice, basketball practice everywhere, and youth cross-country practice. Nobody was following covid related sports safe protocol.

Then I drove to another park and I see a u-little team 6 feet apart doing soccer drills in each individual square.

I am burned out on all this waiting and going from the camp of "open up now" to...." it's over" LOL. I actually now have time to learn how to play golf and have a few beers on a weeknight.
 
Hey dubmass, do you know why they were running after him? Because he already had killed someone at the gas station. The other guy had a pistol, where did you read that fake news? And guess what, with self defense you can only use comparable force. Carrying an assault rifle to a fist fight defeats that defense. The prosecutors will use the footage of a "smart" vigilante who was using his hands to push people away from a confrontation while his assault rifle was swinging on his side. He and other vigilante's around him knew they couldn't grab and aim their assault rifle's at protesters who were not armed.
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You are looking at segments and not the whole economy. Take a look at the following link that is prepared by the Chief Economist department of a Big 4 Accounting firm and stop your criticism of me.
Lol you seem to be impressed by your own google skills and people’s titles. We talk to big ball swanging “top” “chief” number dudes at least 3x a week. They even are on tv on cable networks. Guess what? No one cares. No one is impressed with how how many charts or colors you have in the charts - because no one is copying stuff to forums in attempt to prove a point. At this point, people are looking for solutions and ways to implement solutions. Leadership is trying to maintain their employees ability to pay rent and fees their families - and not become American Airlines or like other businesses. So people can see the trend amongst something we might use frequently: in a one month period from June-July, over 15,000 businesses permanently closed on Yelp. Of the businesses that have closed since March 55% will NEVER reopen over 70,000. I’m pretty sure that will negate the 120 people your friend just hired. I’ll await the next chart or link showing it’s allll good
 
All stats have meaning but it doesn't mean they have significance. This meme about the 6% statistic was put out there to make people believe covid hasn't really been the cause of death in many of the 180 K + covid deaths and that narrative has been debunked by numerous sources. Anyone who has a BMI of greater than 30 has a comorbidity. That's over a third of the country. When you add the endless things people likely have as adults such as high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc, most people have co-morbid conditions. So I have to ask you, what is so important about it? Do you dispute that there have been approximately 180 K deaths in the U.S. where the primary cause of death was covid? I'm guessing you don't have a medical, research, or public health background so I pose this other question to you: If a 90 year old lady with diabetes, hypertension, and CHF walks across the road and gets struck by a car, what is the cause of death?
Do you dispute that health officials have said covid deaths dont necessarily mean covid was the cause of death? Do you dispute that positive covid deaths are not required to classify a covid death? Assumptions are good enough to label someone as a covid death. I've posted my references many times. Would you like them? So you've seen these facts, why would you assume all 180k deaths were strictly caused by covid? We've seen multiple cases where gunshots , drug overdoses, cancer was the cause of death by they were listed as a covid death because they happened to test positive. They could be asymptomatic but it doesnt matter, the guidance is to label their death as a covid death. Can you honestly say 180k deaths were all caused by covid? If not how many? The fact you can't answer that is a problem. Its a problem because we won't know the truth. We just get snippets when the number and cases get called out and eventually corrected. How many times have these numbers been corrected? But go ahead. Go ahead and believe that someone that died by murder was really just a covid death . Lol.
 
Like you really give a shit about poor inner city school kids. Go ahead and use them as pawns because they help your argument.
The fact that the current situation for inner city kids helps my argument should make you stop and think. That fact that you are not moved shows how little you care.
 
The fact that the current situation for inner city kids helps my argument should make you stop and think. That fact that you are not moved shows how little you care.

Whether I care or not is irrelevant. YOU, yes YOU are a phony hypocrite for PRETENDING to care for the sole purpose to advance an argument.
 
Hey dubmass, do you know why they were running after him? Because he already had killed someone at the gas station. The other guy had a pistol, where did you read that fake news? And guess what, with self defense you can only use comparable force. Carrying an assault rifle to a fist fight defeats that defense. The prosecutors will use the footage of a "smart" vigilante who was using his hands to push people away from a confrontation while his assault rifle was swinging on his side. He and other vigilante's around him knew they couldn't grab and aim their assault rifle's at protesters who were not armed.
Wow are you saying one of the guys he shot didn't have a handgun? Youre the dumbass lolNINTCHDBPICT000604713074.jpg
 
Hey dubmass, do you know why they were running after him? Because he already had killed someone at the gas station. The other guy had a pistol, where did you read that fake news? And guess what, with self defense you can only use comparable force. Carrying an assault rifle to a fist fight defeats that defense. The prosecutors will use the footage of a "smart" vigilante who was using his hands to push people away from a confrontation while his assault rifle was swinging on his side. He and other vigilante's around him knew they couldn't grab and aim their assault rifle's at protesters who were not armed.

Where did you read he'd killed someone at a gas station? Go over to the "Riot" thread off topic and let me know, would you? I don't want any crying games to flag me for being off topic. I've read 7 sources and none of them mentions what you're 'dubmass' post says.
 
Hey dubmass, do you know why they were running after him? Because he already had killed someone at the gas station. The other guy had a pistol, where did you read that fake news? And guess what, with self defense you can only use comparable force. Carrying an assault rifle to a fist fight defeats that defense. The prosecutors will use the footage of a "smart" vigilante who was using his hands to push people away from a confrontation while his assault rifle was swinging on his side. He and other vigilante's around him knew they couldn't grab and aim their assault rifle's at protesters who were not armed.

Not exactly, and self defense is a complex and nuanced thing to behold. And no, I'm not lawyer but I know a thing or two about the use of pew pews. I don't think comparable force is a thing, it's about the threat being presented. If you come into my house with a knife and lunge at me, I don't have to lunge back at you with a knife. It is my right to defend myself with whatever is at my disposal.

To be fair If the threat involves deadly force, the person defending themselves can use deadly force to counteract the threat. If, however, the threat involves only minor force and the person claiming self-defense uses force that could cause grievous bodily harm or death, the claim of self-defense will fail. So, being chased by a guy who has a brick or a molotov cocktail can be interpreted as deadly force. Being hit in the head by a skate board and kicked in the head can be considered deadly force. You don't need to go and find a skateboard to defend yourself.

This is going to be a politically charged trial. He should not have been there in the first place, but he was. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to defend himself. I guess if they would have taken away his black rifle and stomped him to death, you would be fine. He could have killed more people if he wanted to, but he didn't. Just about every time he point his rifle and pulled the trigger, he hit hit a target, then he stopped.

Your example above breaks down if the "smart" vigilante is unable to defuse a situation.

The whole thing is shitty. Unless he gets a settlement as a result of adult idiots in government trashing his name, he is in for an uphill fight for the rest of his life. Again, my opinion is he shouldn't have been there. Plenty of video and eyewitness accounts that support self defense. The prosecution will try to prove otherwise. We will see what happens.
 
Where did you read he'd killed someone at a gas station? Go over to the "Riot" thread off topic and let me know, would you? I don't want any crying games to flag me for being off topic. I've read 7 sources and none of them mentions what you're 'dubmass' post says.

Let’s see, he killed 2 people right? In the video with the flying kick and skateboarder, he kills 1 and wounds another. He puts his hands in the air after the skateboarder shooting and wants to turn himself in to police. So there’s no killing after that.

Makes sense since he is being chased and people are yelling “that’s the shooter” prior to the skateboarder shooting. The only other shooting he’s involved in is the gas station shooting. Thus, the gas station shooting occurred BEFORE the skateboarder shooting.
 
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