Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!
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Please take your time and read the below. It is directly from an anonymous Doctor/Epidemiologist:
"Here's a quote from a physician named Amit Kaura, who's cited within a recent article with an obvious agenda to keep the fear level on overdrive:
"I don't think people should look at this as only 6 percent of people died of COVID-19 — 6 percent of those people that died only had COVID-19 listed as a cause of death," Kaura said. "COVID-19 was involved in 100 percent of those mortalities."
That's quite a claim, especially considering the fact that Dr. Kaura failed to elaborate on the specifics of how the virus was "involved" in 100% of those deaths. Was Dr. Kaura personally "involved" with the care for the 185K+ people who have died? Obviously not. So one really has to question why Dr Kaura would make such a careless statement. In order to fully understand why Dr Kaura's statement is unbelievably asinine, we first need to dig into a few details regarding how we've actually been testing for the virus and counting "positive" cases, since the virus's inception.
The gold standard being used to count positive cases is called a PCR test. (Polymerase chain reaction). It detects a very small segment of the nucleic acid which is part of a virus itself. The specific fragment detected is determined by the somewhat arbitrary choice of DNA primers used which become the ends of the amplified fragment. In laymen's terms, the PCR test detects extremely tiny, near non-existent levels of the virus. This means that if someone is tested as "positive", in no way does a positive result indicate that the person is contagious or will ever be contagious. What the public needs to understand, is that the PCR test does not determine or measure the amount of virus or the "viral load" a person has. It's simply is designed to detect the absolute smallest amounts of it. In fact, studies have already shown that 90% of people diagnosed as "positive" with Coronavirus are not even carrying enough of it to infect anyone else. This should have been made public ages ago, yet Governors across the US have insisted on using these positive cases as justifiable reasons to destroy businesses and their state's economy.
Another equally important fact, is that the PCR test also does not differentiate or determine the cause of a death in a person. If a hospitalized patient dies of cancer, heart disease, diabetes or other unrelated health issues, but happens to have had a positive test prior to their passing, in no way does it mean that there was ever enough of the virus in their system that actually "exacerbated" any of their existing health conditions. Despite this fact, hospitals and health care professionals are being instructed to carry out the CDC's unprecedented policy to count EVERY patient death as a Covid death (or a "Covid complication" death) merely on the basis that a patient tested positive (or was presumed to be positive) at some point in time prior to their death. Essentially what this means, is that the CDC is literally counting deaths "twice" on the federal level. For example, if an individual dies of a stroke, but also happened to have been tested as "positive" for the virus, their death is tallied as both a Covid death AND a stroke death, even though the death certificate on a local level states that the stroke was the primary cause of their demise. The end result? The CDC can now state that there are a massive surplus or an excessive number of deaths this year, that are a "direct" result of the the virus. This is an entirely new level of data manipulation, dishonesty, and fear mongering.
People often tend to underestimate the amount of non-virus deaths that occur, every year in the world. Below are the top ten causes of death in the US in an average (non-coronavirus) year:
- 700K people due from heart disease
- 600K people die from cancer
- 160K people die from COPD
- 160K people die from accidents
- 140K people die from Stroke
- 116K people die from Alzheimer's
- 80k people die from diabetes
- 50K people die from Kidney disease
- 45K people die from Suicide
- 40K people die from Influenza
There are obviously many other causes of death other than the examples above, however, in total there approx 2.6 million people who die every year in the US alone. To put this into perspective, that figure amounts to approximately 5 people dying every 60 seconds in America. To recap, the CDC has recently (albeit quietly) announced that from the Coronavirus's current death toll of 185K people, Covid-19 was determined to be the direct cause of death in only 6% of those deaths. This means that less than 12K people have tragically died as a direct result of having contracted the virus. These particular patients no doubt suffered greatly and likely exhibited very severe ARDS-like symptoms and features (including the now famous "ground-glass opacity" finding in the scans of their lungs) However, it should also be noted that such findings in scans are often nonspecific and can occur with a variety of infectious and noninfectious processes. So what do we really know about the remaining 173K people who have died thus far this year, other than they didn't necessarily die directly from Covid-19? Well, we know (according to the CDC) that they had an average of 2.6 serious, pre-existing conditions, and that they were either tested "positive" before their death or they were a "presumed case". A presumed case basically means they had a test that came back positive on a local level but was never confirmed. Considering the fact that there have been many different reports of false positives on a local level, having a "positive test" isn't very useful information, particularly when that person isn't showing any symptoms of the virus. As bizarre as it may sound, in Tanzania, even a goat and a piece of fruit came back positive for the virus. Yes, that actually happened.
It should also be noted that every year, otherwise healthy people with no known pre-existing health conditions, tragically die of the Flu. Strangely, despite these tragic and unexpected deaths occurring every Flu season, few have ever been reported on by the main stream media. Given the fact that approximately 30K to 60K people die each year from Influenza, ask yourself whether the CDC has ever implemented such an unprecedented presumptive cases policy during a Flu season? Even more, have health care facilities ever routinely given ANY kind of viral PCR test to every heart attack, kidney failure or car accident patient? So, then why are we doing this now with virtually every hospitalized patient? Given the facts on how PCR tests work and their incapability of determining the spread of the virus or whether someone is likely to die from the virus, perhaps people will finally come to realize that there is indeed a nefarious agenda at play. Perhaps the crazy idea that corruption does in fact exist, will no longer be just a fantasy for fringe thinking conspiracy theorists. The good news (if there is any), is that new data is continuing to emerge — data that will likely validate any skepticism and criticism regarding the Government's response to this virus."
"Here's a quote from a physician named Amit Kaura, who's cited within a recent article with an obvious agenda to keep the fear level on overdrive:
"I don't think people should look at this as only 6 percent of people died of COVID-19 — 6 percent of those people that died only had COVID-19 listed as a cause of death," Kaura said. "COVID-19 was involved in 100 percent of those mortalities."
That's quite a claim, especially considering the fact that Dr. Kaura failed to elaborate on the specifics of how the virus was "involved" in 100% of those deaths. Was Dr. Kaura personally "involved" with the care for the 185K+ people who have died? Obviously not. So one really has to question why Dr Kaura would make such a careless statement. In order to fully understand why Dr Kaura's statement is unbelievably asinine, we first need to dig into a few details regarding how we've actually been testing for the virus and counting "positive" cases, since the virus's inception.
The gold standard being used to count positive cases is called a PCR test. (Polymerase chain reaction). It detects a very small segment of the nucleic acid which is part of a virus itself. The specific fragment detected is determined by the somewhat arbitrary choice of DNA primers used which become the ends of the amplified fragment. In laymen's terms, the PCR test detects extremely tiny, near non-existent levels of the virus. This means that if someone is tested as "positive", in no way does a positive result indicate that the person is contagious or will ever be contagious. What the public needs to understand, is that the PCR test does not determine or measure the amount of virus or the "viral load" a person has. It's simply is designed to detect the absolute smallest amounts of it. In fact, studies have already shown that 90% of people diagnosed as "positive" with Coronavirus are not even carrying enough of it to infect anyone else. This should have been made public ages ago, yet Governors across the US have insisted on using these positive cases as justifiable reasons to destroy businesses and their state's economy.
Another equally important fact, is that the PCR test also does not differentiate or determine the cause of a death in a person. If a hospitalized patient dies of cancer, heart disease, diabetes or other unrelated health issues, but happens to have had a positive test prior to their passing, in no way does it mean that there was ever enough of the virus in their system that actually "exacerbated" any of their existing health conditions. Despite this fact, hospitals and health care professionals are being instructed to carry out the CDC's unprecedented policy to count EVERY patient death as a Covid death (or a "Covid complication" death) merely on the basis that a patient tested positive (or was presumed to be positive) at some point in time prior to their death. Essentially what this means, is that the CDC is literally counting deaths "twice" on the federal level. For example, if an individual dies of a stroke, but also happened to have been tested as "positive" for the virus, their death is tallied as both a Covid death AND a stroke death, even though the death certificate on a local level states that the stroke was the primary cause of their demise. The end result? The CDC can now state that there are a massive surplus or an excessive number of deaths this year, that are a "direct" result of the the virus. This is an entirely new level of data manipulation, dishonesty, and fear mongering.
People often tend to underestimate the amount of non-virus deaths that occur, every year in the world. Below are the top ten causes of death in the US in an average (non-coronavirus) year:
- 700K people due from heart disease
- 600K people die from cancer
- 160K people die from COPD
- 160K people die from accidents
- 140K people die from Stroke
- 116K people die from Alzheimer's
- 80k people die from diabetes
- 50K people die from Kidney disease
- 45K people die from Suicide
- 40K people die from Influenza
There are obviously many other causes of death other than the examples above, however, in total there approx 2.6 million people who die every year in the US alone. To put this into perspective, that figure amounts to approximately 5 people dying every 60 seconds in America. To recap, the CDC has recently (albeit quietly) announced that from the Coronavirus's current death toll of 185K people, Covid-19 was determined to be the direct cause of death in only 6% of those deaths. This means that less than 12K people have tragically died as a direct result of having contracted the virus. These particular patients no doubt suffered greatly and likely exhibited very severe ARDS-like symptoms and features (including the now famous "ground-glass opacity" finding in the scans of their lungs) However, it should also be noted that such findings in scans are often nonspecific and can occur with a variety of infectious and noninfectious processes. So what do we really know about the remaining 173K people who have died thus far this year, other than they didn't necessarily die directly from Covid-19? Well, we know (according to the CDC) that they had an average of 2.6 serious, pre-existing conditions, and that they were either tested "positive" before their death or they were a "presumed case". A presumed case basically means they had a test that came back positive on a local level but was never confirmed. Considering the fact that there have been many different reports of false positives on a local level, having a "positive test" isn't very useful information, particularly when that person isn't showing any symptoms of the virus. As bizarre as it may sound, in Tanzania, even a goat and a piece of fruit came back positive for the virus. Yes, that actually happened.
It should also be noted that every year, otherwise healthy people with no known pre-existing health conditions, tragically die of the Flu. Strangely, despite these tragic and unexpected deaths occurring every Flu season, few have ever been reported on by the main stream media. Given the fact that approximately 30K to 60K people die each year from Influenza, ask yourself whether the CDC has ever implemented such an unprecedented presumptive cases policy during a Flu season? Even more, have health care facilities ever routinely given ANY kind of viral PCR test to every heart attack, kidney failure or car accident patient? So, then why are we doing this now with virtually every hospitalized patient? Given the facts on how PCR tests work and their incapability of determining the spread of the virus or whether someone is likely to die from the virus, perhaps people will finally come to realize that there is indeed a nefarious agenda at play. Perhaps the crazy idea that corruption does in fact exist, will no longer be just a fantasy for fringe thinking conspiracy theorists. The good news (if there is any), is that new data is continuing to emerge — data that will likely validate any skepticism and criticism regarding the Government's response to this virus."
Then it is not a “false equivalency”....make up your mind.
Scientist are also saying that even when masks don't stop the spread, they reduce the dosage that you get thus you end up with a weaker case of Covid as well.
Actually it is the exact definition of a false equivalency. You are excusing one enormous lie for a malicious purpose because someone else also lied for a legitimate - if misguided - purpose. Not all lies are created equal. And, regardless, they are bith Trump’s lies because he is the boss.
Not sure if I should take that personally.
We have two new girls coming out tonight for practice. See how it goes.
You are a legend in your own mind.....Way to insert subjectivity into an objective statement!
cheers!
You’re the only one trying to excuse 100,000 people dying because someone is a liar. And also because he let (or made) his subordinate tell another one.
I feel sorry for all of those who just want to push the CoVid agenda just in order to get Trump out of office. Some of you probably wish the number was 2 million. It's really really sad.
If you only knew the truth because of people in the know rather than what you hear on the news, you would be so disappointed. I have not posted on this topic lately because I do realize it falls on deaf ears here. Just telling you what I KNOW.
FYI, for those who love to say "excess deaths", when death certificated are filled out, most only list one cause of death. The excess death rate is significantly inflated due to deaths being counted twice, and sometimes three times. These numbers usually take at least a year to get through reviewing before being closer to actuality. Excess deaths are NEVER accurate even after review.
Just know this, if you are under the age of 70 and you don't have MAJOR underlying conditions, there is nothing to worry about. Keep being safe and wearing your masks in indoor spaces.
The true tragedy of all this are two separate groups of people. Small business owners who cannot generate the same amount of business and children/young adults who have essentially lost the educational, social, arts and athletics.
Make no doubt about it, CoVid has been politicized only for those who want more power.
If you only knew the truth because of people in the know rather than what you hear on the news, you would be so disappointed. I have not posted on this topic lately because I do realize it falls on deaf ears here. Just telling you what I KNOW.
FYI, for those who love to say "excess deaths", when death certificated are filled out, most only list one cause of death. The excess death rate is significantly inflated due to deaths being counted twice, and sometimes three times. These numbers usually take at least a year to get through reviewing before being closer to actuality. Excess deaths are NEVER accurate even after review.
Just know this, if you are under the age of 70 and you don't have MAJOR underlying conditions, there is nothing to worry about. Keep being safe and wearing your masks in indoor spaces.
The true tragedy of all this are two separate groups of people. Small business owners who cannot generate the same amount of business and children/young adults who have essentially lost the educational, social, arts and athletics.
Make no doubt about it, CoVid has been politicized only for those who want more power.
Ummm, you can thank the Democratic Northeast State Governers' for that actually. Putting those infected into nursing homes and infected into hospital rooms with those who are not infected.
It's a fact, sorry.
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Best to let it go...once he’s lost the discussion he just changes the subject. It’s worse than arguing with my wife.
That's kind of a reach, isn't it? Fauci wasn't out there calling it a hoax and telling people it would just go away. It's one thing to reduce panic, it's another to encourage people that it doesn't exist.
I'm new here, but have been lurking for a while. I grew up in Huntington Beach, but now live up in the Bay Area. I'm well aware of the differing political ideologies from both areas. It all bums me out deeply as we all want the same things in the end. We're more alike than we are different. The division that persists in our country is incredibly saddening. Our leadership and MSM (all of them) are failing us completely.
Which in the long run will be a tragedy for all of society.
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I posted a picture. What are you crying about now?
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Oh wait... the expert says Trump didn't distort anything. You still mad, bro/bra/nonbinary?
Anthony Fauci rejects Bob Woodward book claim that Donald Trump downplayed coronavirus threat
Dr. Anthony Fauci is denying multiple claims in Bob Woodward’s latest book, including that President Trump downplayed the coronavirus threat for political reasons.
www.washingtontimes.com
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Died unnecessarily. So you're saying, if Trump said the virus was "a mean, scary virus", those people would still be alive? Moron.
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When are you going to stop crying like a bitch about Trump? When is Dominic going to ban you for doing that?
Actually it’s not, that’s just the narrative people use because they din’t want to face facts why 200,000 people are really dead and another 1000 plus every day.
Your post actually shows how clueless you are. Cuomo faced the difficult choice of either keeping those from nursing homes at the hospital, and risking more deaths due to overcrowded hospitals being unable to help everyone, or put them back at the nursing homes where they came from and risk transmission there. Your assertion that he was putting them in nursing homes, but also not putting them in nursing homes and instead keeping them at the hospital makes zero sense and is just wrong. It shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but are instead regurgitating soundbites that you not only don’t understand, but can’t even get straight.
In hindsight, yes, it ended up being a bad decision for Cuomo to send nursing home residents who had been admitted to hospitals back to nursing homes because the hospitals ended up not being as crowded as they anticipated they would, and he obviously over-estimated the ability of nursing homes to contain spread themselves. It is not surprising that he was worried that hospitals would become overcrowded, though, given what your idiot in chief also knew to be the truth and had already told Woodward on tape about how dangerous it was - even for young people. Of course, he was also lying to governors and everyone else about how it wasn’t a big deal. If he or any other governor had listened to that idiocy (which we now know are intentional lies) a lot more people would be dead even on NY. If any people have no right to question Cuomo’s decision making regarding nursing homes, it’s the very people who think it was ok for the president of the United States to tell everyone it’s no big deal, it’s just a hoax, you don’t even need to wear a mask.
Oh, and of course, a total of about 6400 people from NY nursing homes died. When this is all said and done, that will likely be less than 1% of the Americans who died from Covid. Or if you listen to your conspiracy theorist buddy @csk357, 0% since they all died of heartburn and other s**t, so what was the big deal with Cuomo sending them back, right?
No you don’t get to claim it was a hoax but Cuomo should not have sent them back to nursing homes because it wasn’t a hoax and should have known better. You don’t get to claim that it was fine for Trump to tell Americans it wasn’t a big deal, and then claim that Cuomo didn’t treat it like a big enough deal. You don’t get to say that no one has really died of C19, they all died of comorbidities like f**king heartburn, and then claim that all the nursing home deaths were due to C19. You don’t get to claim it’s Cuomo’s fault for putting people back in nursing homes, except when he didn’t which is also his fault. And you really don’t get to say this is all Cuomo’s fault when NY nursing home deaths constitute a paltry 3% of C19 deaths to date, and will likely be less than 1% when this is done. And that is especially true when you look at the fact that approximately 5 people are dying in NY a day, compared to 1000 a day elsewhere. And to the idiot who blithely said earlier that Cuomo already killed all the old people, 6200 people died in NY nursing homes, which is 0.1% of NY residents over the age of 65.
I know ya’ll love your zinger one liners that your Fox friends told you to say, but people with brains see right through your nonsense.