Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

I was thinking 3 weeks from now. Give the students time to infect each other, then wait to see whether the townies get sick.
Haven't the kids been there for 3 weeks now? If they are infecting each other they should also be infecting the the townies. Kids are going to stores, restaurants, any entertainment since they got there. why 3 more weeks?
 
To make this argument properly, wait 3 weeks, and include the number of hospitalizations in those college towns. The students may be fine, but the professors and the old guy who runs the pizza shop may or may not be.

Good point that many here are overlooking. We just don't have definitive data on the impact on adults when cases spike among children and young adults. I heard some players came back from Arizona tourney with covid. I'm sure the players will be fine but what if their coach now has it? What about the parents? Just too many unknowns.
 
Haven't the kids been there for 3 weeks now? If they are infecting each other they should also be infecting the the townies. Kids are going to stores, restaurants, any entertainment since they got there. why 3 more weeks?
Look at the pattern in Arizona. The uptick in cases started May 28. Peak deaths were July 28. 2 months.

It takes time for the disease to spread, so it takes time to see what is happening. So we wait.
 
"The data are striking," said Dr. Raszka. "The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of accumulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren't following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve."


"These data all suggest that children are not significant drivers of the COVID-19 pandemic. It is unclear why documented SARS-CoV-2 transmission from children to other children or adults is so infrequent."

 
Look at the pattern in Arizona. The uptick in cases started May 28. Peak deaths were July 28. 2 months.

It takes time for the disease to spread, so it takes time to see what is happening. So we wait.
I doubt you see any data showing an increase in deaths that can be attributed to the colleges.

The individual numbers per institution and considering overall state totals are small. These are not daily numbers happening over and over again.
 
This would be the last straw if we still lived in CA.
Be careful saying this-posters will accuse you of "wanting people to die so your kid can get some candy". (At least that's the response I got when mentioning my disdain with this on another thread.)
 
Good point that many here are overlooking. We just don't have definitive data on the impact on adults when cases spike among children and young adults. I heard some players came back from Arizona tourney with covid. I'm sure the players will be fine but what if their coach now has it? What about the parents? Just too many unknowns.

which team or club had people come back with it?Without details that’s a pretty big rumor to drop. And how would they know already? You shouldn’t get tested until 6 days after exposure. So if they got home Sunday night they wouldn’t have even tested yet. Let alone tested positive. And if they came home Sunday and felt awful on Monday and got tested and a rapid result they didn’t get covid in Arizona over the weekend.

the argument is still the same: without robust testing by clubs there’s no way of knowing who has it or how prevalent it is.
BUT to say people caught it at a tournament this past weekend is either a lie or a rumor to stir up emotions.
 
Good point that many here are overlooking. We just don't have definitive data on the impact on adults when cases spike among children and young adults. I heard some players came back from Arizona tourney with covid. I'm sure the players will be fine but what if their coach now has it? What about the parents? Just too many unknowns.
Also...a big unknown because it isn't being tracked is the level of sickness in children and the resulting impact. Just because they don't die, doesn't mean it isn't serious and doesn't cause issues for years to come. I just read in our school board minutes "Mrs. Carrie Buck reported that Bella, the middle school student who experienced COVID with significant issues, is doing well now. Bella is making masks as a fundraiser, and Mrs. Buck brought each of the Board members one of Bella’s masks." That made me take pause not knowing what those significant issues were.

In the ESPN article I posted in another thread, the doctor noted that a lot of college kids that had a mild form of the illness and didn't require hospitalization still had issues with heart inflammation and structural changes. I am not aware of any study large enough yet to conclude on the Myocarditis issue.

There are still so many unknowns to gamble with exclusive of death for our kids.
 
“Study”. In any case daycares have been open for months with children having full contact play. No outbreaks. Also, schools have been open and also been public school programs experimenting with actual kids in classrooms. Won’t find these actual facts in the news. The teachers/coaxhes/staff need to not interact. The problem is the teachers need to gossip and talk - which is human. That is the bigger issue. If you haven’t noticed, a ton of the “studies” have a lot of words like “possibly” or “could be” and reference unicorn cases. Just have to go out to the local YMCA and ask them how long they’ve been open and how many cases they’ve had. A lot of stories and “info” are paid biased nonsense. Soon you’ll have published studies that only have to reference the word “data” as fact. The news does it daily - they use to reference the sources, now it is just “new data” or “experts say”. Well the news guy said it, good enough for me.
 
Also...a big unknown because it isn't being tracked is the level of sickness in children and the resulting impact. Just because they don't die, doesn't mean it isn't serious and doesn't cause issues for years to come. I just read in our school board minutes "Mrs. Carrie Buck reported that Bella, the middle school student who experienced COVID with significant issues, is doing well now. Bella is making masks as a fundraiser, and Mrs. Buck brought each of the Board members one of Bella’s masks." That made me take pause not knowing what those significant issues were.

In the ESPN article I posted in another thread, the doctor noted that a lot of college kids that had a mild form of the illness and didn't require hospitalization still had issues with heart inflammation and structural changes. I am not aware of any study large enough yet to conclude on the Myocarditis issue.

There are still so many unknowns to gamble with exclusive of death for our kids.
This is why some people are home schooling now. They dont feel safe at school. This virus is deadly and no way school folks can take a chance. Why risk sending your child with so many unknowns. How long will the unknowns be unknown? When will we know exactly the damage to hearts, lungs and our brain?
 
To make this argument properly, wait 3 weeks, and include the number of hospitalizations in those college towns. The students may be fine, but the professors and the old guy who runs the pizza shop may or may not be.
if they did they didn't protect themselves. only themselves to blame
 
Good point that many here are overlooking. We just don't have definitive data on the impact on adults when cases spike among children and young adults. I heard some players came back from Arizona tourney with covid. I'm sure the players will be fine but what if their coach now has it? What about the parents? Just too many unknowns.
why didn't any of the adults protect themselves? are they elderly and their care takers failed?
 
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