What happened to THE Luis Andres thread?

Luis Andres said:
I can most definitely agree with you on this. Specially if your goal and your daughter’s goal is to graduate from college. In the case with my DD she has expressed to me that she wants to be a professional player and play for the national team one day. Which is fine with me if she wants that dream to happen and I told her that she will need to work harder than everyone
else if she wants to accomplish this goal. So as long as she wants to have that goal, I will push her harder than if she tells me I don’t want to be a professional player in the future. If she decides later that she does not want to take this path anymore, then I will back off and let her be. But as long as she wants to be, then she knows that she needs to work harder than everyone else to accomplish this goal.
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Here we go again. If my son says “daddy, I want to be a firefighter!” That doesn’t mean I make him climb ladders and drive a bulldozer at age 10. There are college students that change their majors in their last year of college. Things happen: injuries, boyfriends, etc.
As a piece of advice, focus on what is really important, and if soccer becomes a part of that through the journey then great! The salary cap for a team in the NWSL is $421,500. Do the math!
 
Luis Andres said:
Ok yes you make a good point, things happen like injuries etc and salaries are not worth pursuing etc. But for me it’s more about the lesson I’m trying to teach her as far as what it will take as far as effort and work. I want her to understand that having that goal means working harder than anyone else. That’s where I’m coming from. Of course she needs to finish school and I want her to go to college and have a backup plan that’s a given. But once again becoming a firefighter or pursuing a degree is not a good comparison to becoming a professional athlete. Becoming a professional athlete requires hard work and aim for mastery from a young age. I can say I’m going back to college to become an engineer or lawyer or going to the fire academy to become a firefighter. I cannot say at this age I want to become a professional athlete. It’s way too late for that my friend. You need to be training before puberty to become a professional athlete one day. I’ve never heard of someone becoming a professional athlete and starting to train and get into the sport after puberty.
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Ummmmm.........
The face of the WNT didn’t play club soccer until U14. ZERO “big tournament” trophies before puberty.
 
Grace T. said:
I’d recommend “bad parents” for him. Not saying he’s a bad parent. But I think he’d be amused by the film.
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Yes but I liked Trophy Kids and Luis may see himself in those parents and maybe would cringe a little. But Bad Parents is hilarious - best line is "You all are like diamonds and some of you need to be CUT!" Lol - I think it was something like that.....
 
Luis Andres said:
Another thing that no one has talked about here as well is the concept of self-efficacy as a required trait for becoming an elite professional athlete as in a sport like soccer. The belief in yourself that you can accomplish a specific task or goal under any given circumstance plays a major role in the development of elite athletes. Studies have shown that the athletes that go on to become professional players have this trait from a very young age. It can be described as mental toughness to some. Your will to persevere in extreme and tough situations. Do you have what it takes to play in the big games. Are you able to perform in the most competitive situations. A quality that I see in some young athletes and don’t see in others. Can you develop this trait? Maybe...Do some kids have this naturally? Yes I’ve seen it on the field. A quality that I see in my DD. Is her ability to keep her poise and perform and execute on the field in the toughest most competitive situations. This is where one may draw the line and distinguish the practice players from the actual game players. For me it’s a very important trait to posses and can be used as one of the measures for potential to play in the higher levels of competition within a sport
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Those traits as well as many other physical and mental traits will change as these kids age. Take it from those on this forum that have been thru the process more than once and have seen hundreds of players evolve from u8 - u16. You’re right that many who show these traits early tend to keep them. But I’ve seen many who don’t have that “mental toughness” as a kid, develop it as they get older and grow.

You seem to think Alex Morgan is a statistical outlier because she didn’t play club until u14 and discount the value of any trophies she may have won at u8 -13 in the AYSO circuit. Not sure why. Do we know she wasn’t doing any training as a kid but just enjoyed the purity of AYSO?

Look, trophies are nice but they don’t define one’s future success. Choose the right Coach and environment that keeps your kid engaged, developing and loving the game and I promise you your DD will define her success. If you think she has “it” she will prove it to you. Just give HER the tools and encouragement!
 
The ladder and bulldozer comparison is irrelevant. You can learn to climb a ladder and drive a bulldozer within a couple of days (i worked on ladders as a dish installer and operated bulldozers to tractor trailer and forklift etc while in the Army). You learn those things in a few days/weeks and get certified. CANNOT train some who never played soccer for a couple of months and expect them to make a pro or college roster. Apples and oranges....Let’s be fair to Luis and not just talk trash
 
Grace T. said:
He upgraded to platinum. Can they delete threads they create? If so it’s a shame. We needed that one for posterity.
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Luis Andres said:
t may stem from her advanced technical ability to control the ball which stems from all the extra training she’s had over her peers from the same age group. Which helps her play with confidence. This is where one may draw the line and distinguish the practice players from the actual game players. For me it’s a very important trait to posses and can be used as one of the measures for potential to play in the higher levels of competition within a spor
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Please google "Todd Marinovich". Thanks - good night. I'm completely done and heart broken for this poor little girl. I can't look at this train wreck any longer.
 
I stick with my original post in the original thread. Luis you exemplify what is wrong with youth sports. We all saw you posts so no back peddling. You have an issue with any little girl that you feel is making your dds team lose. Don't try to now sell us on the idea that you are just trying to help. I have seen tons on nut jobs like you over the years. And I don't see you changing before you ruin the beautiful game for a lot of families and children.

Do your dd and every family that potentially may come in contact with you a favor and let your wife bring your dd to every practice and game. You do not belong at the field with your attitude. It is your right to destroy your dd if you want to, but you have no right to criticize others, especially children and especially on a public forum when you make it blatantly obvious what team your dd is on. You are disgusting.
 
Luis Andres said:
I just did...Todd Marvin Marinovich (born Marvin Scott Marinovich on July 4, 1969) is a former American and Canadian football quarterback. He played for the Los Angeles Raiders of the National Football League, and also in the Canadian Football League and Arena Football League. He is currently the QBs/strength coach for the San Diego Strike Force of the Indoor Football League. He last played for the California Developmental League Football Team, the SoCal Coyotes. Marinovich is known for the well-documented, intense focus of his training as a young athlete, and for his brief career upon reaching the professional leagues that was cut short primarily because of his addiction to drugs.

Gosh man what a terrible example this is. How can you correlate intense focus in training as a young athlete to end up getting your professional career cut short because of an addiction to drugs. Are you trying to say that someone who focuses on intense training as young athlete is prone to be a drug addict when they become adults? I just can’t buy this. It’s a sad story though. I don’t wish it on anyone.
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Dude you are an idiot if you cannot see the big picture.
 
Google Marv Marinovich also. The story is in the way Todd’s dad raised him and trained him from a young age. A lot of pressure at a young age by an over bearing father who was trying to raise an elite athlete.
 
Luis Andres said:
As it is they don’t like me very much at least the women don’t. My wife is the team mom. I got kicked out of the WhatsApp group chat for expressing my feeling to bluntly after statecup but that’s it. Coach can kick us off the team but he hasn’t to date. Maybe it’s cause of my DD cause he’s let go a couple players since we started this team. Not sure really. I’ll leave if he wants us to. No problem. But so far this year it’s all good. As long as I’m not on the chat. I’m
Fine with it. But I’ve learned.
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Obviously the parents on the team don’t like you for a reason. Do everyone a favor and get lost.
 
Luis Andres said:
As it is they don’t like me very much at least the women don’t. My wife is the team mom. I got kicked out of the WhatsApp group chat for expressing my feeling to bluntly after statecup but that’s it. Coach can kick us off the team but he hasn’t to date. Maybe it’s cause of my DD cause he’s let go a couple players since we started this team. Not sure really. I’ll leave if he wants us to. No problem. But so far this year it’s all good. As long as I’m not on the chat. I’m
Fine with it. But I’ve learned.
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I wonder why they don’t like you??
Coach should send your ass packing. Which would be unfortunate for your kid that she has an a-hole for a dad who couldn’t keep his mouth shut and therefore got her canned from a team due to forces outside of her control.
I really do hope you’ve learned something out of all this.

Grace T. said:
He upgraded to platinum. Can they delete threads they create? If so it’s a shame. We needed that one for posterity.
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As long as I get to keep all my good ratings from the previous thread and it doesn’t deduct from my post count I’m cool with a new thread.
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SoccerFan4Life said:
Us parents get so infatuated with youth soccer that you end up pushing your child away from the sport without realizing.

A friend of mine had a situation in his team where the kid would hate the long talks after a game on the ride back home. One day the child had a really bad game and she warned her dad that she didn’t want to hear any criticism from the dad on the ride home or she would quit soccer.

The dad couldn’t hold it and started talking to her about how bad she played. That was the last day that 13 year kid played soccer.
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Rule number one of youth soccer. We don't talk about youth soccer.

... in the car after games...
 
Same with Andre Agassi but he also said if weren’t for his Dad he would not have become the tennis player he became. There is a fine line between helping your kid pursue their dream and forcing them to pursue your dream. You need to really know if your kid is passionate and wants the work or likes the idea of being a “professional” soccer player or playing in college.
 
A quote from Agassi about his Dad. He hated him as a kid but as an adult appreciates what he did for him. He even goes on to say if it weren’t for his overbearing dad he would not be successful in his second profession which is education. I personally believe if your kid truly wants anything in life it will come from them. They’ll ask for extra training and everything that comes with it.
 

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