Vaccine

[soccersc]

Fauci? Where?

How many times can you be wrong in one day? And I don't even blame you because there are a lot of people who are misinformed just like you that have created this ridiculous mess we are in...please stay informed

Fauci absolutely said the vaccine will, in his words, "be a dead end to the virus" What else could that possibly mean? Please spin? He was so wrong, like I was telling you in the first place!!!

"So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they're going to transmit it," Fauci said.
"When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community," Fauci said. "In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that's when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community."

Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus

Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendati…

thehill.com

 

[dad4]

See whatithink. This is exhibit A....even though it's not zero dad4 is still holding onto "most of the deaths were preventable". Then to top it off he totally neglects the cost/benefit analysis. And round and round in circles we go.

The right wing anti-vax movement gave us an extra 200K deaths during delta. I see the cost. What was the benefit?

You keep saying “cost benefit analysis“, so let’s do some. What bad things would have happened if the red third of the country had gotten their covid shots before delta hit?

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Does going off the teleprompter surprise or anger you? You must have gone ballistic during the previous administration! Lol! Biden often misspeaks (the last guy did too). Did anyone from the CDC or pharma companies say it was a cure?

So Biden, CNN and MSNBC were also guilty of spreading misinformation?

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Fauci? Where?

His exact words were, that vaccinated people essentially become “dead ends” for the virus to spread.

So I must correct my statement.

touché

 

[Grace T.]

The right wing anti-vax movement gave us an extra 200K deaths during delta. I see the cost. What was the benefit?

You keep saying “cost benefit analysis“, so let’s do some. What bad things would have happened if the red third of the country had gotten their covid shots before delta hit?

That's not how you do a cost/benefit analysis. You can't do "what would have happened if the red third of the country had listened to my preaching and repented". You have to analyze a policy. To do a proper analysis you need to know the hypothetical policy (instead what you do is you pull out an unsupported number like 200K out of your ass). What's even more funny if you have cost/benefit entirely reversed (the benefit of the policy is lives saved...the cost is the cost of the policy).

Shall we rehash masks on kids? Benefit: small....cloth masks are apparently "facial decorations", Kn95s for them are in large part counterfeit and surgicals aren't properly fitted, they are at incredibly small risk, they seem to transmit less. Cost: torturing at risk kids (deaf, toddlers, ADHD, autism), depression and mental illness scars, environmental, speech and learning delays, incidents with people thrown off flight and other confrontations, societal relationships.

 

[Desert Hound]

The right wing anti-vax movement gave us an extra 200K deaths during delta.

You love pulling numbers out of thin air.

3% here
200k there
70-80% mask effectiveness there
and so on.

And as the real world data around him has shown him to be wrong...doubles down on the initial pronouncements/theories.

Using the war analogy again...you would have been one of the first generals stripped of his position in WW2. We had lots of generals who read their textbooks, but when actual fighting began were unable to adapt to the realities on the ground. We burned through a lot of them before we found the right people.

 

[espola]

That's not how you do a cost/benefit analysis. You can't do "what would have happened if the red third of the country had listened to my preaching and repented". You have to analyze a policy. To do a proper analysis you need to know the hypothetical policy (instead what you do is you pull out an unsupported number like 200K out of your ass). What's even more funny if you have cost/benefit entirely reversed (the benefit of the policy is lives saved...the cost is the cost of the policy).

Shall we rehash masks on kids? Benefit: small....cloth masks are apparently "facial decorations", Kn95s for them are in large part counterfeit and surgicals aren't properly fitted, they are at incredibly small risk, they seem to transmit less. Cost: torturing at risk kids (deaf, toddlers, ADHD, autism), depression and mental illness scars, environmental, speech and learning delays, incidents with people thrown off flight and other confrontations, societal relationships.

I expected numbers. You give us handwaving.

 

[Grace T.]

I expected numbers. You give us handwaving.

Another winning contribution on your part.

 

[dad4]

So Biden, CNN and MSNBC were also guilty of spreading misinformation?

You weren’t going to get any politician to give you a probability explanation for how vaccines slow transmission. Politicians are trying to communicate with average people, and average people like to think in absolutes. The mask works, or it doesn’t. You trust your vaccine or you don’t.

Look at how many people here read “can still spread the virus, at some rate”, and conclude “the vaccine has no effect on transmission. The first statement is true, but blurry. The second is false, but absolute. But people like the absolute, so most people here believe the second version, even though it is false.

Biden’s “Dead end to the virus” is false, but it is closer to the truth than the right wing’s repeated claim of equal transmission rates.

 

[espola]

Another winning contribution on your part.

Socratic method.

 

[soccersc]

You love pulling numbers out of thin air.

3% here
200k there
70-80% mask effectiveness there
and so on.

And as the real world data around him has shown him to be wrong...doubles down on the initial pronouncements/theories.

Using the war analogy again...you would have been one of the first generals stripped of his position in WW2. We had lots of generals who read their textbooks, but when actual fighting began were unable to adapt to the realities on the ground. We burned through a lot of them before we found the right people.

So true... @dad4 has a big problem the data "science" is not really in his favor anymore so he has to create his own numbers...misuse use of statistics, a very manipulating way to try and convince others of a falsehood

 

[Grace T.]

Socratic method.

I'm telling you. You rock with the comedy. Missed your calling.

 

[espola]

I'm telling you. You rock with the comedy. Missed your calling.

I have such a great straight man.

You preach a lot of "cost/benefit analysis", but you never show one.

 

[Grace T.]

So true... @dad4 has a big problem the data "science" is not really in his favor anymore so he has to create his own numbers...misuse use of statistics, a very manipulating way to try and convince others of a falsehood

I don't think at this point he's really trying to convince anyone. The narrative is crumbling around him (he's been basically alone at it with the exceptions of the trolls and maybe sometimes NorCalDad) and he's doing his best to rationalize things to himself. We know he's scared (wandering around in his N95 in the market despite being fully vaxxed....he basically came outright close to saying it a few weeks ago). It would be the end of his world view were he (and others like him) to admit its all for naught, so the best they can come up with is "the science changed" whereas we all (even the Washington Post from the article I posted up above) know that what changed was the politics (and it's the same reason things aren't changing in the blue check cities).

 

[Grace T.]

I have such a great straight man.

You preach a lot of "cost/benefit analysis", but you never show one.

Awwww love you too. Hugs.

p.s. I did....it's not my fault no one ever produced a mask study to show their effect after two plus years and the best we have is the Bangladesh study showing no statistical effect of cloth masks on adults. It's funny too you seem to think C/B is suppose to give you a number at the end...it doesn't and a lot of it is a value judgement too.

 

[dad4]

That's not how you do a cost/benefit analysis. You can't do "what would have happened if the red third of the country had listened to my preaching and repented". You have to analyze a policy. To do a proper analysis you need to know the hypothetical policy (instead what you do is you pull out an unsupported number like 200K out of your ass). What's even more funny if you have cost/benefit entirely reversed (the benefit of the policy is lives saved...the cost is the cost of the policy).

Shall we rehash masks on kids? Benefit: small....cloth masks are apparently "facial decorations", Kn95s for them are in large part counterfeit and surgicals aren't properly fitted, they are at incredibly small risk, they seem to transmit less. Cost: torturing at risk kids (deaf, toddlers, ADHD, autism), depression and mental illness scars, environmental, speech and learning delays, incidents with people thrown off flight and other confrontations, societal relationships.

Hand waving, with a time machine.

They recommended cloth masks on kids when schools reopened in August 2021. Omicron showed up in December, 2021.

Your thought seems to be that health officials should have visited the future to learn about omicron, then returned to tell people about the “facial decoration” summary.

 

[Grace T.]

Hand waving, with a time machine.

They recommended cloth masks on kids when schools reopened in August 2021. Omicron showed up in December, 2021.

Your thought seems to be that health officials should have visited the future to learn about omicron, then returned to tell people about the “facial decoration” summary.

As I said in the other post, you justify things with "the science changed"....got your number....the script is almost prewritten. Some of us having been saying cloth masks were next to worthless from the beginning, then came the Spain mannequin study, then Bangladesh. At this point you'll create any fiction to try to keep a hold of your worldview.

 

[soccersc]

You weren’t going to get any politician to give you a probability explanation for how vaccines slow transmission. Politicians are trying to communicate with average people, and average people like to think in absolutes. The mask works, or it doesn’t. You trust your vaccine or you don’t.

Look at how many people here read “can still spread the virus, at some rate”, and conclude “the vaccine has no effect on transmission. The first statement is true, but blurry. The second is false, but absolute. But people like the absolute, so most people here believe the second version, even though it is false.

Biden’s “Dead end to the virus” is false, but it is closer to the truth than the right wing’s repeated claim of equal transmission rates.

You and @Hüsker Dü are having a hard day...Fauci is the one who said vaccines were a dead end to the virus, so there goes your politician claim, unless you agree that Fauci is an actual politician and not a scientist...I would definitely agree with you there!!!!

 

[soccersc]

I don't think at this point he's really trying to convince anyone. The narrative is crumbling around him (he's been basically alone at it with the exceptions of the trolls and maybe sometimes NorCalDad) and he's doing his best to rationalize things to himself. We know he's scared (wandering around in his N95 in the market despite being fully vaxxed....he basically came outright close to saying it a few weeks ago). It would be the end of his world view were he (and others like him) to admit its all for naught, so the best they can come up with is "the science changed" whereas we all (even the Washington Post from the article I posted up above) know that what changed was the politics (and it's the same reason things aren't changing in the blue check cities).

You are correct @dad4 might be having some cognitive dissonance issues....we are here to help

 

[dad4]

You love pulling numbers out of thin air.

3% here
200k there
70-80% mask effectiveness there
and so on.

And as the real world data around him has shown him to be wrong...doubles down on the initial pronouncements/theories.

Using the war analogy again...you would have been one of the first generals stripped of his position in WW2. We had lots of generals who read their textbooks, but when actual fighting began were unable to adapt to the realities on the ground. We burned through a lot of them before we found the right people.

My World War 2 hero isn’t a general. It’s a gay mathematician named Alan Turing.

Be glad Turing read his textbooks. His decryption work is the reason Eisenhower and Montgomery knew the German troop movements, often before the German troops themselves. Turing‘s work saved million of lives and took years off the war.

Alan Turing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org