Vaccine

dad4 said:
It’s not a question of containment, or really a question of total case count. It‘s a question of into how small a time you compress those cases.

To keep the car analogy, let’s not all get into a car crash the same day. The hospital will run out of trauma surgeons.
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Nothing about Omicron is Trauma surgeon worthy.

Unless everyone in a fender bender is seeking ER assistance the analogy is broken.
 
dad4 said:
These days, there is quite a bit of mandatory testing of people with no symptoms. If vaccinated people were getting covid in large numbers, you’d see it in the mandatory weekly tests at schools and work.

The simpler explanation works better. Vaccinated people get fewer positive tests because fewer of them are catching covid.
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what? Where have you been? Mandatory testing for the unvaccinated, vaccinated rarely are tested and that just started happening. That wasn’t even happening mid December. And taking an at home test means nothing and they are tough to get. so many vaccinated people went out and passed it on when they thought they were a little sick.
 
dad4 said:
These days, there is quite a bit of mandatory testing of people with no symptoms. If vaccinated people were getting covid in large numbers, you’d see it in the mandatory weekly tests at schools and work.

The simpler explanation works better. Vaccinated people get fewer positive tests because fewer of them are catching covid.
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what? Where have you been? Mandatory testing for the unvaccinated, vaccinated rarely are tested and that just started happening. That wasn’t even happening mid December. And taking an at home test means nothing and they are tough to get. so many vaccinated people went out and passed it on when they thought they were a little sick.
 
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I like how in the very limited examples they give they almost all are to the left. And yet after doing that your siyr says they are centrist.

I always ask people who listen to NPR..

How often do you hear stories that..
- take a smaller gov position
- talk positively about lower taxes
- talk about 2nd amendment issues from the point of view as why it is good
- talk about abortion from the other side

If you look at conservative vs liberal points of view and read/watch their stories you rarely see a story that takes a conservative point of view.

Same thing with the NY Times, etc. Why people pretend these orgs are neutral belies the actual fact
 
dad4 said:
That’s why you need data. How do you compare “spreads like wildfire #1” and ”spreads like wildfire #2”?

Without actual numbers, you’re stuck saying “both are fast, so they must be equal”. By that logic, I drive a Formula One race car.
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Nevermind that that is a absurd analogy, its a distinction without a difference. The difference between a wildfire and a faster wildfire is not meaningful in terms of the spread. Also data is meaningless without context which you consistently fail to grasp.

Another bad analogy. Condom A is 10% effective against pregnancy and condom B is 40% effective. Even though condom B is 4x more effective than A, no one would recommend condom B as an appropriate option for contraception. Thats where we are with the vaccination in terms of preventing infection. The difference being that you cant be half pregnant whereas the vax works in terms of severity of symptoms.

So what if unvaccinated are getting infected at a faster pace than the vaccinated? Both are getting infected at a high rate. While vaccination might have an impact on rate it doesnt prevent the spread of the virus.
 
dad4 said:
It’s not a question of containment, or really a question of total case count. It‘s a question of into how small a time you compress those cases.

To keep the car analogy, let’s not all get into a car crash the same day. The hospital will run out of trauma surgeons.
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Fair point, but the hospitalizations dont appear to be an issue for Omicron. Its only the overreaction that seems to be impacting access to medical care.
 
dad4 said:
I don’t see how you get a 4:1 difference in positive tests without some a significant impact on infection and transmission. Are you arguing that unvaccinated people are equally infected, but 75% less likely to get tested?

If you have an argument, make it. If vaccinated people are equally infected and equally infectious, then why are they not testing positive at the same rate as unvaccinated people?
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you don’t listen to what others are saying. They don’t test as high because they don’t test! They think they aren’t sick and keep going on with their day to day infecting others. It was made pretty clear early that if you were vaxxed you would not get Covid and could not pass it on. That was the message to the main stream and I know a LOT of people who believed that until the last few weeks. They thought they just had a cold
 
soccersc said:
what? Where have you been? Mandatory testing for the unvaccinated, vaccinated rarely are tested and that just started happening. That wasn’t even happening mid December. And taking an at home test means nothing and they are tough to get. so many vaccinated people went out and passed it on when they thought they were a little sick.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Our schools required all kids in the entire county to test prior to coming back to school after the new year. What are you smoking? Hopefully it has CBDs in it.
 
soccersc said:
you don’t listen to what others are saying. They don’t test as high because they don’t test! They think they aren’t sick and keep going on with their day to day infecting others. It was made pretty clear early that if you were vaxxed you would not get Covid and could not pass it on. That was the message to the main stream and I know a LOT of people who believed that until the last few weeks. They thought they just had a cold
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My god, please, put the keyboard down and go for a walk. Nobody with an ounce of intelligence ever thought the vaccine was 100% effective. We are a fully vax'd family we've been to a restaurant in person (outdoors) two times in the last two years. You are greatly mistaken in thinking all vax'd people thought they were invincible after getting the jabs -- that's because we understand the basics of percentages.
 
Desert Hound said:
I like how in the very limited examples they give they almost all are to the left. And yet after doing that your siyr says they are centrist.

I always ask people who listen to NPR..

How often do you hear stories that..
- take a smaller gov position
- talk positively about lower taxes
- talk about 2nd amendment issues from the point of view as why it is good
- talk about abortion from the other side

If you look at conservative vs liberal points of view and read/watch their stories you rarely see a story that takes a conservative point of view.

Same thing with the NY Times, etc. Why people pretend these orgs are neutral belies the actual fact
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Thank you for making your position clear.
 
Desert Hound said:
I like how in the very limited examples they give they almost all are to the left. And yet after doing that your siyr says they are centrist.

I always ask people who listen to NPR..

How often do you hear stories that..
- take a smaller gov position
- talk positively about lower taxes
- talk about 2nd amendment issues from the point of view as why it is good
- talk about abortion from the other side

If you look at conservative vs liberal points of view and read/watch their stories you rarely see a story that takes a conservative point of view.

Same thing with the NY Times, etc. Why people pretend these orgs are neutral belies the actual fact
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we don’t have to go back very far in the ole time machine , how about yesterday

NPR reports of the masking issue at SCOTUS

SCOTUS actually debunks it today

NPR has not retracted their story
 
soccersc said:
you don’t listen to what others are saying. They don’t test as high because they don’t test! They think they aren’t sick and keep going on with their day to day infecting others. It was made pretty clear early that if you were vaxxed you would not get Covid and could not pass it on. That was the message to the main stream and I know a LOT of people who believed that until the last few weeks. They thought they just had a cold
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Vaccinated people around here do get tested, because we can't go in to school or work if we don't.
 
NorCalDad said:
My god, please, put the keyboard down and go for a walk. Nobody with an ounce of intelligence ever thought the vaccine was 100% effective. We are a fully vax'd family we've been to a restaurant in person (outdoors) two times in the last two years. You are greatly mistaken in thinking all vax'd people thought they were invincible after getting the jabs -- that's because we understand the basics of percentages.
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Your paranoia does more damage than covid ever would have.
 
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