Vaccine

thirteenknots said:
A soccer player has a higher/longer elevated heart rate.
NBA players have a different peak and valley elevated heart rate.

I personally feel the American sports establishment is hiding the
TRUE effects of the deadly Covid -19 jabs on players....
Myocarditis is only one aspect of these sick so-called vaccines.

Wait til the true contents/makeup of the J&J, Glaxo/Smith/Kline, Inovio, Pfizer
are revealed and the long-term consequences are witnessed.
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Are the true contents different from what is disclosed in their patent applications?
 
dad4 said:
Samples and research notes that match the early cov-19 genome.

Or, more likely, key personnell who produced no research at all for long stretches in 2018-2019, then reappear. Like the missing 17 minutes on Nixon’s tape recorder.
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Damn I'm procrastinating. There is lots of flux through these types of research institutions. But there likely will be more premanent lab heads and sort of lab grunts who keep things going, make the media, wash the glassware, etc. Human interviews from both could be useful, what was the overall prospectus of work going on (lab heads), any sort of rumors or stories (lab minions)? If a clear line of pursuit does not emerge from that it will likely be hard. Searching all electronic files for sequence strings or key words would be obvious. Raw research notes, good luck. Samples. I imagine somewhere Wuhan keeps a currated collection of C-virus strains but that would be pretty obvious, either to find or for somebody to cover up. Its not that big of a place so lets say in terms of samples you are looking at, say, 30 -80°C freezers, each with five shelves, each with 5 racks, and each rack holding 12 boxes holding 96 microcentrifuge tube size samples. Most of the boxes will be labelled, "Joe's stuff", "Mary's new project", "Meng 2018-2020" stuff like that. Sorting through that without a target could be as hard as looking for what template viruses might have been used in nature. And alot of it will be BL-4 level stuff, so figuring out what is in the tubes will be slow going.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
Please share the lies he tells that you are referring to….
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And lets compare that vs much of the press telling us about bombshell after bombshell in the Russian Collusion narrative that all fell apart.

Or the Nicolas Sandman story that they cheerfully reported fact free...and many have now quietly settled with him.

It is an extensive list of lies, unsubstantiated reporting, etc.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I have to focus in on some stuff but it is an interesting conversation.

The search for natural origins is nowhere close to being exhausted. The diversity of zoonotic C-viruses across Asian and down into Thailand has barely been touched, irrespectively of whatever the CCP says (Chinese Communist Party?). in some ways continuing to sample that would be the most useful long term thing to do, irrespective of placing blame, if there is indeed blame to be placed. Sure there are smart people working on it and the idea that it was a lab leak of some kind seems plausible. But if you had all the access you wanted, Fauci comms (probably all squirrel but great political theater), internal NIH documents (probably some ass covering but ultimately just follow the money out and see where it gets you), assembled your digital and biological forensic team and marched into Whuhan (like the Walter Peck scene in Ghostbusters), throw in Hunter Biden's laptop for no real reason other than to make Crush happy, what would you look for? What would the smoking gun look like?
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The biden laptop is of no concern to me.

It is an interesting discussion, one I'm not really qualified to take on, in many respects. Zoonotic search across asia is certainly a daunting task. Bats and Pangolins weren't present in the market, espcially that time of the year. Of course there is going to be speculation and theory how a virus could makes its way from the far reaches of Asia to a city in China that happens to host one of the worlds most funded c-virus research labs. There are acutally two labs in Wuhan, but we will stick with the more famous one. Makes you scratch your head a bit. Maybe in the future someone will fess up, likely not. The Chinese have reach and they will leverage that reach. They are basically a closed society, able to filter what comes out through their official channels. If you've ever done business there or interacted with their professional class, it's a very linear world.

In the meantime, the rest of the world will continue to wring their hands with this variant, await the next variant, and hopefully transition to the reality that it's here to stay. Call it what you want, endemic, the 5th, etc. It's here and likley not going anywhere. Let's quit with the theater and get on with it.
 
espola said:
I got involved in the discussion about Rogan in response to another poster. Several posters took offense to that. No one has disproved my original analysis that he makes money telling lies to stir up idiots.
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What are the lies he's telling? Would you put him in the same category as the liars on MSDNC, Fox, CNN, etc?

Or does he bring on his show people with legit backgrounds/pedigree to discuss highly hot button topics? Have you listend to any of his podcasts?

I'm sure many/most on the forum don't listen to him religiously, especially when he's chatting with friends. But you should really pay attention when he brings on an expert. Or maybe not.
 
espola said:
I googled Joe Rogan's lies -- "About 25,500,000 results". Where would you like to start?
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Would you rather have Rogan silenced or would you rather have some one have the opportunity to rebut his guest assertions?

Like I said before the greatest threat to the left is an opposing opinion many of which are made in good faith. Theyd rather silence than give the opportunity for debate.

For me free speech means its the listener's responsibility to weigh opinions and determine what is "truth". I dont think its the speaker that has the ultimate responsibility to determine the truth.
 
watfly said:
Like I said before the greatest threat to the left is an opposing opinion many of which are made in good faith. Theyd rather silence than give the opportunity for debate.
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That is why it is so disturbing to see twitter, youtube, fb and other ban accounts/topics, etc. And what they ban tends to be in lockstep right now of what the D party and much of the press doesn't like.

If they were doing the same to points of view to the left I would be equally as disturbed.

Right now virtually all dialog runs through just a few sites such as the above. So them shutting down certain points of view should concern everyone.
 
Desert Hound said:
That is why it is so disturbing to see twitter, youtube, fb and other ban accounts/topics, etc. And what they ban tends to be in lockstep right now of what the D party and much of the press doesn't like.

If they were doing the same to points of view to the left I would be equally as disturbed.

Right now virtually all dialog runs through just a few sites such as the above. So them shutting down certain points of view should concern everyone.
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Its become impossible to objectively look at the nature of the censorship and not reach your conclusions.

They hide behind the curtain of claiming misinformation. When in reality it not so much misinformation as its just not their truth.

Im radically free speech. Even if its completely off the charts wacky or hateful. Id rather know who they are than have them silenced and hide in the shadows. And while im pro free speech, I also believe the right should be exercised with responsibility
 
what-happened said:
Ha...nice...he is totally living rent free in your brain (and those others brains). I'm sure spotify is loving it.
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I was in his head for a long time until he ignored me. He said one man can;t make a change. He needs big brother to watch over things, as long as he is the big brother....lol. He will soon ignore Joe. It's called running from the TRUTH. BTW, you will 100% care about Hunter Laptop. It's one of the big reason we had this scam in the first place. These families are sick dude.
 
watfly said:
Would you rather have Rogan silenced or would you rather have some one have the opportunity to rebut his guest assertions?

Like I said before the greatest threat to the left is an opposing opinion many of which are made in good faith. Theyd rather silence than give the opportunity for debate.

For me free speech means its the listener's responsibility to weigh opinions and determine what is "truth". I dont think its the speaker that has the ultimate responsibility to determine the truth.
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I don't think censorship is the right direction either and I think the more the left pushes on it the worse it's going to get. I know I'm fully capable to discern when Rogan is spewing BS and when he's not. I think the question I have, one I have no answer for, is how to reason about people believing everything someone like Alex Jones says. I know for a fact these people exist. I mean look at Qanon and all of that noise. I know conspiracy theorists have existed since the beginning of time, but in these days it feels much more accessible. Prior to the Internet it was just fringe beliefs. As far as opening it up for debate, I just don't see that happening -- I mean look at this thread.
 
NorCalDad said:
I mean look at Qanon and all of that noise.
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Let me help you NoCalDad. It's Q and the Anons. Qanon is a fringe group. Don't mix the two up. Oh ya, their is Q+. Military is in charge and always has been and they have a Commander in Chief. 42 states have already called up the National Guard and the WH has a big wall in front of it. On a happy note, TGIFF!!!
 
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