Vaccine

Shortages, inflation hits 7 percent, shortages in testing, and everyone getting it. Meanwhile Biden is focused on voting rights and the filibuster. I thought the Trump admin was bad about politics qua politics, but man this is outright political malpractice.



 
Shortages, inflation hits 7 percent, shortages in testing, and everyone getting it. Meanwhile Biden is focused on voting rights and the filibuster. I thought the Trump admin was bad about politics qua politics, but man this is outright political malpractice.



The shortages are caused by people staying home sick with Omicron.

You can’t be against every single viral containment measure and then complain that the sick people aren’t there to stock the shelves for you.
 
The shortages are caused by people staying home sick with Omicron.

You can’t be against every single viral containment measure and then complain that the sick people aren’t there to stock the shelves for you.

Not complaining. I'm speaking as to the politics of it all (unlike you, I think we'd have the same result even with containment measures). Malpractice to be focused in on voting rights and inside washington baseball when there are bread and butter issues at stake.

I've written before, Trump got unlucky with a pandemic he couldn't do much about....he could have done things better but it still would have played out largely the same. Same with Biden but his political malpractice is making things much worse, and coupled with his mental ability issues, it makes him look weak on top of everything. He's way past George Sr. not knowing what a gallon of milk costs, past George Bush in the middle of a collapsing economy in 2008 territory and is rapidly sailing past Carter.
 
Like I said many times before, this is the flu and we all got played because of the almighty $$$$$. Nothing new under the sun on the planet and we all know it when we lay down to sleep at night, what the real TRUTH is. The next phase in this heist will be healing. We ALL need a break from this rat wheel of a life we were born into, to make a buck and work for the man. 2.0, trust me on this. Money is shifting hands and the bad guys won;t have any more to print to hand out to their friends who obey orders. Nope, were all getting a UBI and then based on our humanity work, rewards through tokens of appreciation will be handed out. The more you help others and tell the TRUTH, the more tokens you will get. Money will not be used as a tool to get what you want anymore. Watch & just watch and see how this thing we call life will get fun for some, some will catch on and join the fun while others will hate the new way to make $$$$$. @kickingandscreaming , so just flu shot now and I have to ask you honest Q. I bet you wouldn't have taken the first shot if you know what you know two years later?
Oh, I definitely would have taken the first two shots. I believe that I may have gotten it between my first and second shots. I remember thinking, why does this coffee taste so bad? Fortunately, that's as bad as it was and passed after a few days. However, there are legitimate questions regarding how many vaccines to take in a short period of time.
 
I don’t think we need to close all indoor dining. A vaccine requirement is appropriate, though.

Why now? We are running out of hospital staff.
To protect whom? The 1500 people dying of covid each day.

You make it sound like you think it’s all over.

Who are these 1500 people a day who are dying? A vaccine mandate is not appropriate, it's a waste of time. It's not stopping transmission, it never did and it never will. We are not running out of hospital staff just to infection. Many reasons why. To boil it down to solely covid infection is silly and 100% false. Every year hospital staffs suffer c-virus, influenza, rhino virus friction. Literally every year. While we are at it...stop with the bogus testing. ERs are filling up with people who think they have covid and they don't. Or, they get a false negative. The age old recommendation of stay home if you are sick this time of the year remains a thing. I think someone has coined a phrase - Omicold.

Now, if a private business makes a choice to require vaccines, have at it. No shirt, no shoes, no vaccines....Fine. If they require masking, then so be it. Still dumb and a waste of time but it's a business decision by a business owner.
 
Yes! Remember how many times we were called “Trumpanzee’s” or “QANON Whacko’s” for pointing out how Deaths where being listed as “with” Covid not “from” Covid because of situations like the one pointed out by Tapper…..I’m sure by the end of this year there will be more apologies due!
Do you actually believe they are self-aware enough to recognize this?
 
Same in our neck of the woods. Went to HS games today and yesterday. Nobody here is in panic mode. Futsal (indoors) starts this weekend. My kids are in school in person. We have home test kits available at our local stores. Even the bike parts I want to order are available on Amazon. Life is pretty good. I guess it could be a wee bit warmer. Best of luck to y'all.
I see food in our shelves. However, my pal lives outside Columbus and they dont have much in selections right now.
 
Shortages, inflation hits 7 percent, shortages in testing, and everyone getting it. Meanwhile Biden is focused on voting rights and the filibuster. I thought the Trump admin was bad about politics qua politics, but man this is outright political malpractice.



Mid terms are coming up. Trust me Grace T and you can take this to the bank; A big variant red wave from a surge from outer space will be hitting earth two weeks before the elections. This is a big Red Storm that can;t be stopped unless they stop the planet from being free at last. My bet is Wat Fly and others will get off their fence and hop on the peace train. To keep everyone safe, it will be mandates to stay indoors, get boosterred and wear two mask and vote from home online on your computer. Every vote must count.
 
The arrogance from Dr. Fauci never ceases to amaze me. It may very well be that the Senator is a moron. In fact, I quite readily would believe it based on the questions asked. It may very well be that the question was stupid and the information is publicly available (though surprisingly we never get an answer where). But this is conduct unbecoming a civil servant against one of our elected representatives who are entitled to ask stupid questions as part of their watch dog approach. Again, not understanding the Biden politics of this all...why go off message and pivot to election reform and the fillibuster at a time when people are so focused on COVID and then let these two go off the way they did today without throwing them under the bus for what the public (rightfully or wrongfully) consider a covid policy misstep (or disaster, depending on how you want to characterize it based on your political leanings)? I thought the Trump administration was bad at politics qua politics (the actual admin of political policy, managing legislation and elections and messaging it to the public) but this is just horrible horrible stuff. The wheels are off the Biden admin.



Maybe they understand they lost the COVID issue (didn't shut it down) and feel they can do little about inflation so they are attempting to shore up the part of their base that is inordinately affected by Vaccine mandates. If the D's lose any portion of the black vote, the midterms might be even worse than they appear to be shaping up for them. I don't follow it that closely but it's something that might explain the change.
 
No….not at all.

However, Project Veritas has been releasing some Interesting “information” (can’t confirm the authenticity) regarding Project Defuse. If true, it explains a lot, but likely not.

Looks like you are posting from Grace's level of authenticity -- Don't know what this is, don't know if it's real, but I'll put my name on it because I have been told that it reinforces our agenda.
 
Do you actually believe they are self-aware enough to recognize this?
They are more than aware enough. You’re just wrong about whether it was at all important.

Deaths with covid would be roughly proportional to the infection rate for each age group. This category didn’t get large until the infection rate got large- about a month ago.

Before that, the fraction of people with active covid infections at any one time was pretty small. Pretty small among the people who are alive that day, and pretty small among the people who died of non-covid causes that day.
 
Maybe they understand they lost the COVID issue (didn't shut it down) and feel they can do little about inflation so they are attempting to shore up the part of their base that is inordinately affected by Vaccine mandates. If the D's lose any portion of the black vote, the midterms might be even worse than they appear to be shaping up for them. I don't follow it that closely but it's something that might explain the change.
The politics of it don't really interest me that much. DC will DC. Fauci fatigue is alive and well. His shady NIH dealings, the emails being touted about, and his inability to curb his ego on national TV will eventually make him exit stage left. In some ways I feel bad for him. To have an entire country depending on him to figure this out is quite daunting and has to be exhausting.

Novel viruses and disease are hard to figure out and usually take time. Unfortunately his hubris got in the way and his reliance on big pharma for execution exposed that he's basically an advocate and no longer a scientist. Researcher don't behave the way he behaves. No big deal though, he's 81 and the highest paid human in government. His pension will be nice and tidy and his investments are nice and mature by now. He should retire in peace.
 
Here’s what Albert Bourla, Pfizer’s chief executive officer, said on Monday in an interview on CNBC:

The hope is that we will achieve something that will have way, way better protection, particularly against infections because the protection against the hospitalizations and the severe disease, it is, it is reasonable right now, with the current vaccines as long as you are having let’s say the third dose.

Read those words very carefully.

Protection against “severe disease” is “reasonable right now” for people who have taken a “third dose” of Pfizer’s vaccine.

Put aside the fact that even those words are at best an optimistic interpretation of current data.

Put aside the fact that Pfizer has NEVER compared a three-dose vaccine regimen to a placebo in a clinical trial.

Put aside the fact that “reasonable right now” suggests that any effect of a third dose will not last.

What the chief executive of Pfizer is telling you is THAT IF YOU RECEIVED TWO DOSES OF HIS COMPANY’S VACCINE LAST YEAR, YOUR PROTECTION IS GONE.


Even against “the hospitalizations and the severe disease.”

You need to be “having let’s say the third dose” for protection against those.
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Most people don’t understand yet how badly they were conned.

But they will.

The raw numbers are stark - in Ontario, for example, 76 percent of hospitalized people and 56 percent of those in intensive care are now vaccinated. Both the raw numbers and the percentages have soared in the last two weeks.

The data out of Europe are similar. The only reason the American data look different is that we don’t get to see the raw numbers. Instead, health authorities provide meaningless adjusted rate ratios (adjusted for age of vaccinated people, but NOT for healthy vaccine user bias - the fact that frailest elderly people are often not vaccinated because they cannot be.) Further, American hospitals report people as unvaccinated when their vaccine status is “unknown,” further skewing the ratios.


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But you can trust Albert Bourla: vaccine protection against severe outcomes drops over time - and drops much more quickly against the Omicron variant.

That’s one side of the coin.

The flip side is adverse events. We don’t know how bad those are after a third dose, much less a fourth or fifth or more. (How can we? Remember, the companies didn’t test three doses against placebo.)

But the third-shot myocarditis data looks bad. It suggests a dose-dependent response. And the rise in all-cause deaths across Europe in the last few months cannot be ignored, even if the health authorities are ignoring it.


I suspect the smartest people at the companies are increasingly aware of the potential crisis of repeated dosing. Which may be why Bourla also said in the CNBC interview, “I don’t know if there is a need for a fourth booster.”

What? In the same interview where Pfizer’s CEO warned people not to expect long-lasting protection from a third shot - “reasonable right now” - he also pivoted away from more boosters?

Instead Bourla talked up Paxlovid, his company’s new $530 per treatment antiviral. “This is where most of the effort of most of the governments is moving.”


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More important for Bourla, the real risk to Pfizer - and to him - comes from side effects. People will be angry when they figure out that they’ve been conned into taking vaccines that didn’t work. But most of them won’t be furious, especially since Omicron appears much milder than earlier variants. Zero efficacy probably won’t destroy Pfizer or get anyone indicted.

But side effects might. People will be FURIOUS if they think they been conned into taking vaccines that didn’t work and potentially hurt them, or their parents, or their kids.

 
They are more than aware enough. You’re just wrong about whether it was at all important.

Deaths with covid would be roughly proportional to the infection rate for each age group. This category didn’t get large until the infection rate got large- about a month ago.

Before that, the fraction of people with active covid infections at any one time was pretty small. Pretty small among the people who are alive that day, and pretty small among the people who died of non-covid causes that day.
40% dead with covid vs from covid?
 
Here’s what Albert Bourla, Pfizer’s chief executive officer, said on Monday in an interview on CNBC:

The hope is that we will achieve something that will have way, way better protection, particularly against infections because the protection against the hospitalizations and the severe disease, it is, it is reasonable right now, with the current vaccines as long as you are having let’s say the third dose.

Read those words very carefully.

Protection against “severe disease” is “reasonable right now” for people who have taken a “third dose” of Pfizer’s vaccine.

Put aside the fact that even those words are at best an optimistic interpretation of current data.

Put aside the fact that Pfizer has NEVER compared a three-dose vaccine regimen to a placebo in a clinical trial.

Put aside the fact that “reasonable right now” suggests that any effect of a third dose will not last.

What the chief executive of Pfizer is telling you is THAT IF YOU RECEIVED TWO DOSES OF HIS COMPANY’S VACCINE LAST YEAR, YOUR PROTECTION IS GONE.


Even against “the hospitalizations and the severe disease.”

You need to be “having let’s say the third dose” for protection against those.
--

Most people don’t understand yet how badly they were conned.

But they will.

The raw numbers are stark - in Ontario, for example, 76 percent of hospitalized people and 56 percent of those in intensive care are now vaccinated. Both the raw numbers and the percentages have soared in the last two weeks.

The data out of Europe are similar. The only reason the American data look different is that we don’t get to see the raw numbers. Instead, health authorities provide meaningless adjusted rate ratios (adjusted for age of vaccinated people, but NOT for healthy vaccine user bias - the fact that frailest elderly people are often not vaccinated because they cannot be.) Further, American hospitals report people as unvaccinated when their vaccine status is “unknown,” further skewing the ratios.


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But you can trust Albert Bourla: vaccine protection against severe outcomes drops over time - and drops much more quickly against the Omicron variant.

That’s one side of the coin.

The flip side is adverse events. We don’t know how bad those are after a third dose, much less a fourth or fifth or more. (How can we? Remember, the companies didn’t test three doses against placebo.)

But the third-shot myocarditis data looks bad. It suggests a dose-dependent response. And the rise in all-cause deaths across Europe in the last few months cannot be ignored, even if the health authorities are ignoring it.


I suspect the smartest people at the companies are increasingly aware of the potential crisis of repeated dosing. Which may be why Bourla also said in the CNBC interview, “I don’t know if there is a need for a fourth booster.”

What? In the same interview where Pfizer’s CEO warned people not to expect long-lasting protection from a third shot - “reasonable right now” - he also pivoted away from more boosters?

Instead Bourla talked up Paxlovid, his company’s new $530 per treatment antiviral. “This is where most of the effort of most of the governments is moving.”


--

More important for Bourla, the real risk to Pfizer - and to him - comes from side effects. People will be angry when they figure out that they’ve been conned into taking vaccines that didn’t work. But most of them won’t be furious, especially since Omicron appears much milder than earlier variants. Zero efficacy probably won’t destroy Pfizer or get anyone indicted.

But side effects might. People will be FURIOUS if they think they been conned into taking vaccines that didn’t work and potentially hurt them, or their parents, or their kids.

The current CEO has been making money for Pfizer for a long time. Excellent track record of taking on business units within pfizer and making them more profitable. He is the perfect person for this role and understands how to pivot from drug to drug to increase profitability.
 
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