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Grace T. said:
You'r comprehension failed when I explained it wasn't a mathematical conclusion. There are different ways to analyze the problem. Between EvilGalie and I, one of us has specific training in evaluating evidence (hint: it's not him) but we can both do it, though in different ways based on our training, each of which is equally valid.
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And as for "equally valid", lawyers can often a good living presenting nonsense. Mathematicians cannot.
 
espola said:
So the words "probability" and "orders of magnitude" have no meanings to lawyers?
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yes they do....it's just less precise than what evil goalie is used to.

espola said:
And as for "equally valid", lawyers can often a good living presenting nonsense. Mathematicians cannot.
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Some of the biggest nonsense on the planet is produced by mathematicians (as COVID and its models have well illustrated). Mathematics is only as good as the inputs you get in there. Because of their training, mathematicians are sometimes not able to see the big picture or these limitations. It's why most orgs don't let them have the final say in anything. As the scene from "Margin Call" illustrates, they pay the idiot who can't keep but mixing his metaphors a ton of more money because he has something the mathematicians don't. "Moneyball": same thing.

 
Grace T. said:
My son actually just did this topic in his first debate scrimmage. They lost (got trounced by sophomores who had been doing it longer). It's the issue of whether character matters in politics. For some, Trump was just too much (ranging from vulgar to mean) despite the policy of the other side. It's not just a Trump thing....it came up the other way with Bill Clinton and Biden (though no one so far has come forward with definitive evidence he's involved in his son's shady business dealings)
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Exactly, great point - as I recall from my childhood days that is exactly where elections based on personality mattered, in school.

As any logical and clear thinking adult (I say this loosely) would realize from the past 12 months, grown up elections have direct and serious consequences - most important on my list is 13 Marines would still be alive and hundreds of Americans would not have been left behind in Afghanistan.

Maybe the problem is those high schoolers should've been being taught that life is a little more tougher than mean and vulgar, just a thought.
 
MicPaPa said:
More personality over policy nonsense.

Let me try it this way by combining the two. Trump had a very clear record. Given his extensive list of policies and accomplishments, specifically where on that list, in order of importance to you, would you rank his personality and mean tweets?
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I'm going to pull a fence sitter move and say why can't I have both?

If you forcing me to choose...right now I'd rather have mean tweets than President Schleprock.
 
MicPaPa said:
Exactly, great point - as I recall from my childhood days that is exactly where elections based on personality mattered, in school.

As any logical and clear thinking adult (I say this loosely) would realize from the past 12 months, grown up elections have direct and serious consequences - most important on my list is 13 Marines would still be alive and hundreds of Americans would not have been left behind in Afghanistan.

Maybe the problem is those high schoolers should've been being taught that life is a little more tougher than mean and vulgar, just a thought.
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I recall from my childhood days the thing which mattered most was: a) what their posters looked like, and b) what they promised. The kid who promised the no homework always won. Some things don't change o mater how old we are.
 
watfly said:
I'm going to pull a fence sitter move and say why can't I have both?

If you forcing me to choose...right now I'd rather have mean tweets than President Schleprock.
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No! fence sitter? call me shocked!

Not forcing anything on you, we both live in the same system - two parties, two primaries, two candidates - then pick one. Specifically, the last election couldn't have been any clearer. Both candidates had well-defined records, and for those of you for whom it matters, well defined personalities.

Let me try and clear up my point and ask again, specifically where did personality / mean / vulgar/tweets fit on your list of importance for the 2020 presidential election?
 
espola said:
Are there any Ptolamaic scientists still practicing? Your best example is an ancient superstition?
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It’s the big one which was used to suppress science and inquisite people

gave you a recent one: the covid models. Want anything one: the housing market figures in 2008

or google mathematical blunders. There are doozies.
 
espola said:
Handwaving.
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I think it's funny how you STEM types have such a chip on your shoulder that non-STEM types (like me) are put in charge of your work because the money thinks you guys can't be trusted in your judgments. As usual, you are always good for a chuckle.
 
Grace T. said:
I think it's funny how you STEM types have such a chip on your shoulder that non-STEM types (like me) are put in charge of your work because the money thinks you guys can't be trusted in your judgments. As usual, you are always good for a chuckle.
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Non-responsive.
 
MicPaPa said:
No! fence sitter? call me shocked!

Not forcing anything on you, we both live in the same system - two parties, two primaries, two candidates - then pick one. Specifically, the
last election couldn't have been any clearer. Both candidates had well-defined records, and for those of you for whom it matters, well defined personalities.

Let me try and clear up my point and ask again, specifically where did personality / mean / vulgar/tweets fit on your list of importance for the 2020 presidential election?
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The reality is it mattered to quite a few people. The reality is that it cost Trump the election. As I always point out to dad4, you can live in the world you wish for, or you can live in the world we are in. Trump is toxic to a certain number of people who otherwise support his policies. You can go with him and increase the chances the rs will lose, or you can go with someone that will reflect his policies but be more palatable from a character point of view. Youngkin showed that was possible...he retained the R gaines among minorities and the working class, won back the suburbs.
 
Grace T. said:
as were you with the "handwaiving' remark. It's a direct answer to the question you put. You can't then claim "handwaiving". Try again.
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I'll give you a chance to start over in response to "Some of the biggest nonsense on the planet is produced by mathematicians "
 
Grace T. said:
The reality is it mattered to quite a few people. The reality is that it cost Trump the election. As I always point out to dad4, you can live in the world you wish for, or you can live in the world we are in. Trump is toxic to a certain number of people who otherwise support his policies. You can go with him and increase the chances the rs will lose, or you can go with someone that will reflect his policies but be more palatable from a character point of view. Youngkin showed that was possible...he retained the R gaines among minorities and the working class, won back the suburbs.
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Rs looked to have gained Hispanic( sorry LatinX) share in both NJ and VA
 
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