Vaccine

Grace T. said:
Writing is on the wall....looks like they will continue to push the FDA until they can get the booster eligible for everyone and then change the definition of what it means to be fully vaccinated......

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451586343222452225
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FDA Head Says Your Children Will Be Forced to Wear Masks In School, Even After They've Mandated Vaccinations

I don't care what kinds of physical and psychological dysfunction that all-day masking is inflicting on our children -- just as long as we keep Our Most Precious Resource, our teachers, safe.

The Biden administration on Wednesday announced its plan to vaccinate children ages 5 to 11 ahead of the FDA�s expected emergency use authorization of the Pfizer vaccine for children in that age range.
The administration has procured enough vaccine for 28 million children in the age group, which would be given by more than 25,000 pediatric and primary care providers, the White House said. The Department of Health and Human Services would also team up with the Children's Hospital Association to set up at least 100 vaccination clinics to administer the shots.
In addition, tens of thousands of pharmacies would offer the vaccine, and the administration would work to make the shots available at hundreds of schools and community health centers.
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"Available" is the new "mandatory."

The White House told governors this month to expect to begin vaccinations for the 5-to-11 age group early next month. The administration bought 65 million pediatric doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, enough to give shots to the estimated 28 million children in that age range who would be eligible if the Food and Drug Administration authorizes its use.
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Even as The Regime prepares to force children to take vaccinations they don't need for a disease that has virtually no chance of harming them, top CDC Democrat Political Hack Rachel Wallensky says your children will be forced to wear masks for the "foreseeable future."

And hopefully-- beyond!
 
Grace T. said:
Meh, I'd be the first to say the right has some problems with it too....I'd also say the left has a bigger problem with it right now since the left leans into the new puritan religion while the right still holds onto the old ones....and I'd say it's a general public virtue signaling problem too....all true at the same time. If the country does divide, as I'm increasingly thinking it's gone from just a remote fantasy to an actual if far removed possibility, I'd have a real hard time deciding which nightmare side of the line to pick...the tie breaker being that even being Latina and LGBTQ, the few times I've faced overt discrimination and hatred has been from the left than the right....and I've been in the middle of the Sturgis rally in adjacent Deadwood.
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The left has become the new puritans.

If you look at the various "norms" and "restrictions" being put in place it comes almost entirely from the left.

- Speech codes? Mainly from the left
- Woke? and the restrictions from that? From the left
- Asking for more gov control over daily decisions? Mainly from the left.
- Mandate vehicle types (look at CA and national dems) mainly from the left.
- Look back on covid responses...
And the list goes on.

You really don't see a lot of proposals coming from the right that want to coerce people through government action. Past decade or 2 these ideas come increasingly from the left.

It has been interesting (sad) to watch the evolution of the left. In the 60-70s the left was fighting against the man. Today they want the man to enforce their preferred outcomes.

I personally want to be left alone. If you don't like what I do, it isn't your biz. Much like it isn't my biz how you live your life. Today however a vast segment of the population absolutely wants to dictate what the others say and do. Look at all the people getting the vapors over the latest Chapelle show to see how an increasing large segment of our population wants to restrict/eliminate certain things. In this case Chapelle and his comedy.
 
Desert Hound said:
The left has become the new puritans.

If you look at the various "norms" and "restrictions" being put in place it comes almost entirely from the left.

- Speech codes? Mainly from the left
- Woke? and the restrictions from that? From the left
- Asking for more gov control over daily decisions? Mainly from the left.
- Mandate vehicle types (look at CA and national dems) mainly from the left.
- Look back on covid responses...
And the list goes on.

You really don't see a lot of proposals coming from the right that want to coerce people through government action. Past decade or 2 these ideas come increasingly from the left.

It has been interesting (sad) to watch the evolution of the left. In the 60-70s the left was fighting against the man. Today they want the man to enforce their preferred outcomes.

I personally want to be left alone. If you don't like what I do, it isn't your biz. Much like it isn't my biz how you live your life. Today however a vast segment of the population absolutely wants to dictate what the others say and do. Look at all the people getting the vapors over the latest Chapelle show to see how an increasing large segment of our population wants to restrict/eliminate certain things. In this case Chapelle and his comedy.
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Whiney little bitch.
 
dad4 said:
How many MLS-Next kids got there without “outside parental intervention”?

Also near zero, I’d bet. That doesn’t mean it is cheating to pass a ball with your kid.
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As you know, there's quite a difference between pass a ball with your kid to forcing the kid to run laps every morning and trainings they may not want to do (and I say this as a bit of a tiger parent that affords my GK 2 trainings a week on top of the 3 days of team training).

There's also quite a bit of difference between help your kid with their homework and studying for the tests or if they are struggling getting them a tutor v. send your kid to Kumon or CLC for hours after school because your kid needs to be the best in math and needs to do hours of work to get there.

There's also quite a bit of difference between my kid is passionate about soccer, playing the violin or math (hint: except for generally exceptional people in the top 5% of the top 1%, many of whom have special gifts like autism, most children do not want to being hours of math after school) v. this is something you have to do for your own good to get ahead because you need to go to a UC school or Ivy League.
 
Scary thread that reflects a lot of other data I'm reading...we are very very close to a complete supply chain collapse...that plus inflation, plus I think people are just really at their breaking points due to the labor shortages and work conditions (e.g., hours, masks, what they are being asked to do), plus the vaccine mandates coming to a head point to winter that could wind up being very dark, particularly if we get a COVID wave (which would be enough to spin the wheels off this entire thing)...Trump maybe in the end should count his blessing and be thankful he wasn't reelected (I certainly wouldn't want to be running things right now).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451543776992845834
 
watfly said:
It's this whole mentality that "I know what's better with you." Its an outgrowth of the "nanny state" mentality that is being encouraged by many politicians. It's taken away the focus from individual accountability and instead follows the "it takes a village" narrative. You wouldn't need a village if you just took care of your own matters and children. The pandemic has magnified this with the misguided mentality that it's primarily your responsibility to protect my health. And now its children's responsibility to protect adults and not vice versa. It will only become worse as more people look towards the government to provide for their income, health and welfare.

There are some simple concepts that I grew up with that appear to be no longer applicable:

"Mind your own business", or as my Mom used to say "Mind your own beeswax"
"Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
"Treat others as you would want to be treated"
"Women and children first"
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So if everyone did what you think we'd be better off, is that because you know better?
 
watfly said:
Yes, let's lower the bar from everyone, "the Race to Mediocrity". Our public schools do a pretty good job with high achievers but definitely underserve kids that struggle. Now that's not necessarily the school's fault in all cases, but you would think our schools could walk and chew gum at the same time. I wouldn't mind seeing trade school options for high school kids where a traditional education might not be productive for them.
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So if they are "underserved", how do you know that "a traditional education might not be productive for them"? I assume you are correlating the underserved and the ones who could/should go the trade route?

BTW, I agree that more people should look at trades, if that way inclined, as you can earn a great living, and a substantially better living than many college educated folk, via that route (without a huge debt load into the bargain).
 
Desert Hound said:
That comment usually comes from those who feel the comments hit a little close to home.

And based on your posts, you do seem to like gov intervention.
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I see you as the guy who takes his turn at the lectern in City Council, School Board, or soccer club BOD meetings and fills his allotted 5 minutes with a nonsensical rant (see above), after which everyone goes back to ignoring him.
 
Grace T. said:
Scary thread that reflects a lot of other data I'm reading...we are very very close to a complete supply chain collapse...that plus inflation, plus I think people are just really at their breaking points due to the labor shortages and work conditions (e.g., hours, masks, what they are being asked to do), plus the vaccine mandates coming to a head point to winter that could wind up being very dark, particularly if we get a COVID wave (which would be enough to spin the wheels off this entire thing)...Trump maybe in the end should count his blessing and be thankful he wasn't reelected (I certainly wouldn't want to be running things right now).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451543776992845834
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As he points out, regulations are getting in the way of cleaning up the mess.

When you have a major issue, one needs to waive many of the regulations in order to help things get back to normal. Once back to normal put the typical regs in place.

When he is talking about is poor leadership at the local, state and federal level regarding what is happening in and around the ports.
 
espola said:
I see you as the guy who takes his turn at the lectern in City Council, School Board, or soccer club BOD meetings and fills his allotted 5 minutes with a nonsensical rant (see above), after which everyone goes back to ignoring him.
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The only thing that surprised me about this post and the one before is you didn't say: "link?"

Outside of that you are rambling as you normally do.
 
Desert Hound said:
The left has become the new puritans.

If you look at the various "norms" and "restrictions" being put in place it comes almost entirely from the left.

- Speech codes? Mainly from the left
- Woke? and the restrictions from that? From the left
- Asking for more gov control over daily decisions? Mainly from the left.
- Mandate vehicle types (look at CA and national dems) mainly from the left.
- Look back on covid responses...
And the list goes on.

You really don't see a lot of proposals coming from the right that want to coerce people through government action. Past decade or 2 these ideas come increasingly from the left.

It has been interesting (sad) to watch the evolution of the left. In the 60-70s the left was fighting against the man. Today they want the man to enforce their preferred outcomes.

I personally want to be left alone. If you don't like what I do, it isn't your biz. Much like it isn't my biz how you live your life. Today however a vast segment of the population absolutely wants to dictate what the others say and do. Look at all the people getting the vapors over the latest Chapelle show to see how an increasing large segment of our population wants to restrict/eliminate certain things. In this case Chapelle and his comedy.
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There are plenty of GOP (the right) governors and legislatives who are flat out doing the same. The voting and abortion legislation are the obviously examples, with the former having nothing to do with making elections "better" and everything to do with staying in power, and the latter being a cultural rallying cry since the 70s that the GOP doesn't actually want repealed (imo).

Both side are equally guilty.

I 100% agree on the sentiment of "it isn't my biz how you live your life".
 
whatithink said:
So if they are "underserved", how do you know that "a traditional education might not be productive for them"? I assume you are correlating the underserved and the ones who could/should go the trade route?

BTW, I agree that more people should look at trades, if that way inclined, as you can earn a great living, and a substantially better living than many college educated folk, via that route (without a huge debt load into the bargain).
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The US is one of the few western countries that believe in college for everyone. Europe specifically tracks people into the arts, academic routes, sports and trades. It's why the futbol academies exist, and why every one else gets rec in Europe. The problem with the European system is that the rich and the well connected play by a different set of rules (in a system that is designed to be more blatantly a meritocracy than ours), and minorities which have not been around the system for a while find themselves falling through the cracks unless they are fortunate enough to be ID'd in the imperfect system (which with our racial issues would be a nightmare to implement here).
 
Desert Hound said:
As he points out, regulations are getting in the way of cleaning up the mess.

When you have a major issue, one needs to waive many of the regulations in order to help things get back to normal. Once back to normal put the typical regs in place.

When he is talking about is poor leadership at the local, state and federal level regarding what is happening in and around the ports.
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While I do give the Trump administration credit for doing a surprisingly decent job of administering the country pre-COVID, I'm not necessarily sure it's safe to assume the Trump admin would have been any more competent when it came to these supply issues, particularly when some of the levers you'd need to pull are controlled by the opposing party which is out to get you.
 
whatithink said:
There are plenty of GOP (the right) governors and legislatives who are flat out doing the same. The voting and abortion legislation are the obviously examples, with the former having nothing to do with making elections "better" and everything to do with staying in power, and the latter being a cultural rallying cry since the 70s that the GOP doesn't actually want repealed (imo).

Both side are equally guilty.

I 100% agree on the sentiment of "it isn't my biz how you live your life".
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Abortion is really the issue you have that is correct relating to many on the right.

The voting issue you are very wrong on.

The left is doing everything it can to bypass any real oversight on voting.

- To require an ID to vote is not voter suppression. Though the dems claim it is.
- Ballot harvesting is not something you want if you want integrity of the vote. And yet it is the left that mainly pushes this. It is ripe for corruption as the case of the R in NC shows an election cycle or 2 ago.
- Mailing out millions of mail in ballots is not a recipe for clean elections. Not long ago both Rep and Dems agreed on this. There is no chain of custody, no proof on who actually fills out, sends in the ballots. For something as vital as voting you dont want millions of ballots just floating around.
- Dems are the ones fighting cleaning up election rolls. If anything one wants the elections rolls to be as accurate as possible. And yet by and large it is the dems that fight this.
- And the most egregious is in this congress the dems have been pushing for basically federal control of the voting process...and with that all their wish lists to minimize oversight.

But back to your original comment. If you look on the push to restrict speech on campus, work, or in entertainment, that push comes today from the left.

If you look to where a group wants to push norms on other groups, today that largely comes from the left.

The one example that holds true for the right and it isnt universal would be abortion. Outside of that what national effort from the right do you see them trying to inflict on the populace at large?
 
Grace T. said:
The US is one of the few western countries that believe in college for everyone. Europe specifically tracks people into the arts, academic routes, sports and trades. It's why the futbol academies exist, and why every one else gets rec in Europe. The problem with the European system is that the rich and the well connected play by a different set of rules (in a system that is designed to be more blatantly a meritocracy than ours), and minorities which have not been around the system for a while find themselves falling through the cracks unless they are fortunate enough to be ID'd in the imperfect system (which with our racial issues would be a nightmare to implement here).
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I'm pretty sure the various education related posts on this thread, today, highlight the disparity driven by those with versus those without. Its never the same rules for everyone, when those with money can buy or just influence different outcomes.
 
whatithink said:
So if everyone did what you think we'd be better off, is that because you know better?
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You missed the point entirely. I will do what's best for my family and you do what you think is best for your family and let the consequences follow. It's called choice and as long as it not illegal and infringing on your rights it shouldn't be a problem. I thought the left was pro choice.
 
whatithink said:
I'm pretty sure the various education related posts on this thread, today, highlight the disparity driven by those with versus those without. Its never the same rules for everyone, when those with money can buy or just influence different outcomes.
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That's always been the case though even with the former Soviet Union. I'm not aware of an utopia built anywhere on this planet where money and influence haven't been used to get around a purported meritocracy. The chief difference between Europe and the US, though, is the US believes everyone can be saved through college. Europe doesn't, but provides a more robust social safety net for those that fail. Having toured the suburbs around Paris, however, I'm hard pressed to determine which system is actually better.
 
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