Vaccine

Randomized trials provide the best available research evidence to inform health-care decisions and are considered the gold standard for determining intervention effects. But no randomized studies have shown that masks in children are effective. Instead, there are observational studies of uneven quality that reach conflicting conclusions.
Link to randomized control trial demonstrating that surgical masks are effective at reducing covid transmission:

 
Link to randomized control trial demonstrating that surgical masks are effective at reducing covid transmission:

But I like that they relied on blood testing for anti-bodies as opposed to the opaque PCR during their Cluster Randomized Trial study. Not the same as RCT. What's interesting is that case numbers were low prior to the study but they had their highest case spikes post-study.
 
This is not an individual RCT.
No, it is cluster RCT, also very well respected. Even Grace has stopped pretending that surgical masks don't work.

There is a good reason for using cluster RCT.

Try to design an individual RCT for a device, worn by an infected person, to limit airborne disease transmission.

Keep it ethical. No forced participation or deliberate exposure of subjects.

And within budget. Don't assume we can hand out 200,000 cell phones or ankle bracelets to help with contact tracing.

And don't give me some underpowered thing that always returns "answer unclear". If I wanted that, I'd use a magic 8 ball.

Details please. If you are asking for it one, describe how to do it.
 
No, it is cluster RCT, also very well respected. Even Grace has stopped pretending that surgical masks don't work.

There is a good reason for using cluster RCT.

Try to design an individual RCT for a device, worn by an infected person, to limit airborne disease transmission.

Keep it ethical. No forced participation or deliberate exposure of subjects.

And within budget. Don't assume we can hand out 200,000 cell phones or ankle bracelets to help with contact tracing.

And don't give me some underpowered thing that always returns "answer unclear". If I wanted that, I'd use a magic 8 ball.

Details please. If you are asking for it one, describe how to do it.
a. Against the prime I said that masks might work a little and said they’d primarily be useful indoors, at least on a micro level. Against the delta, particularly on an unvaxxed person, I don’t think they work very well at all
b. On a macro level (talking now county state or national level) I don’t think they make much of an impact. I said maybe 5-15% reduction in transmissions. The Texas county level study previously posted seems to support this conclusion. It’s probably due to masks not being very beneficial in the kinds of places you need to worry about: hospitals, in the home, schools (since long exposure and Ill fitting), airlines; are security theater for indoor dining bars and theaters; and because the use of so many masks is improper or the mask itself is poor. Putting people in masks in the market or doctors waiting room may help with the odd case or two but if the person wasn’t standing in one place they probably wouldn’t have caught it any way.
c. The Bangladesh study is not very “well respected” except in your Koolaid religious circles. It’s problematic for both the maskers and anti maskers. It didn’t really prove anything beyond there’s some potential there for surgical masks or higher grade masks but the degree of potential is still up there: which takes us back to where we started: masks probably help a little at least pre delta….quite possibly very little
d. If your public policy is dependent on cloth masks post Bangladesh, your public policy is flawed.
 
a. Against the prime I said that masks might work a little and said they’d primarily be useful indoors, at least on a micro level. Against the delta, particularly on an unvaxxed person, I don’t think they work very well at all
b. On a macro level (talking now county state or national level) I don’t think they make much of an impact. I said maybe 5-15% reduction in transmissions. The Texas county level study previously posted seems to support this conclusion. It’s probably due to masks not being very beneficial in the kinds of places you need to worry about: hospitals, in the home, schools (since long exposure and Ill fitting), airlines; are security theater for indoor dining bars and theaters; and because the use of so many masks is improper or the mask itself is poor. Putting people in masks in the market or doctors waiting room may help with the odd case or two but if the person wasn’t standing in one place they probably wouldn’t have caught it any way.
c. The Bangladesh study is not very “well respected” except in your Koolaid religious circles. It’s problematic for both the maskers and anti maskers. It didn’t really prove anything beyond there’s some potential there for surgical masks or higher grade masks but the degree of potential is still up there: which takes us back to where we started: masks probably help a little at least pre delta….quite possibly very little
d. If your public policy is dependent on cloth masks post Bangladesh, your public policy is flawed.
Ps if masks are working so great in the schools what’s the explanation for newsom a kids coming down with covid? Im sure given the recall and given the prior basketball camp story the newsoms were meticulous in masking their kids.
 
Ps if masks are working so great in the schools what’s the explanation for newsom a kids coming down with covid? Im sure given the recall and given the prior basketball camp story the newsoms were meticulous in masking their kids.
Pps this is neither here nor there but the politico story on the kids being positive points out newsom is j&j vaxxed. Given the efficiency of that particular vaccine that’s sort of odd.
 
a. Against the prime I said that masks might work a little and said they’d primarily be useful indoors, at least on a micro level. Against the delta, particularly on an unvaxxed person, I don’t think they work very well at all
b. On a macro level (talking now county state or national level) I don’t think they make much of an impact. I said maybe 5-15% reduction in transmissions. The Texas county level study previously posted seems to support this conclusion. It’s probably due to masks not being very beneficial in the kinds of places you need to worry about: hospitals, in the home, schools (since long exposure and Ill fitting), airlines; are security theater for indoor dining bars and theaters; and because the use of so many masks is improper or the mask itself is poor. Putting people in masks in the market or doctors waiting room may help with the odd case or two but if the person wasn’t standing in one place they probably wouldn’t have caught it any way.
c. The Bangladesh study is not very “well respected” except in your Koolaid religious circles. It’s problematic for both the maskers and anti maskers. It didn’t really prove anything beyond there’s some potential there for surgical masks or higher grade masks but the degree of potential is still up there: which takes us back to where we started: masks probably help a little at least pre delta….quite possibly very little
d. If your public policy is dependent on cloth masks post Bangladesh, your public policy is flawed.
sigh. Still at it?

No, against prime you said masks do nothing.

Then against alpha, as the evidence built up, you said maybe they help a little.

Then with an enormous RCT demonstrating that you’re full of shit, you say “well, they might have worked back then, but delta is different.”.

The scientific community has moved on from this, Grace. There is a broad concensus that masks reduce but do not eliminate covid transmission.

You can keep telling fools to skip masks. And Dizzy will keep telling them to skip vaccines. Many of those fools will believe you. In your own small way, you will help contribute to the deaths of some poorly educated and poorly informed people, and those with whom they associate.

Why you wish to do this is beyond me.
 
sigh. Still at it?

No, against prime you said masks do nothing.

Then against alpha, as the evidence built up, you said maybe they help a little.

Then with an enormous RCT demonstrating that you’re full of shit, you say “well, they might have worked back then, but delta is different.”.

The scientific community has moved on from this, Grace. There is a broad concensus that masks reduce but do not eliminate covid transmission.

You can keep telling fools to skip masks. And Dizzy will keep telling them to skip vaccines. Many of those fools will believe you. In your own small way, you will help contribute to the deaths of some poorly educated and poorly informed people, and those with whom they associate.

Why you wish to do this is beyond me.
Sigh. The religion again. Still at it.

you can look at the record. I know it’s the tendency of religious people to look at apostates harshly but I did say against the prime “masks help a little” at least on a micro view basis. You’ve never understood the distinction of the micro and macro basis which is why you assumed people would just mask in their houses.

then you grasp onto a rct like the other religious heads that was deeply flawed in both directions. First you keep clinging to the cloth masks even though the study showed no statistical impact. Then you cling to the surgical masks even though the study only showed a statistical impact on the old. Then you ignore the other problems with the study such as that it has distance coupled in there, enforcement was coupled in there (and it reverted back once removed) and with the compliance it had it showed a very small change and that it was mostly the pre delta wave without a widespread outbreak

you see I did science. I saw the study and said hey this is interesting.It has some very pro and some anti mask stuff. Here’s what we should test next

you did religion. You said oh this study is perfect and it’s a gold standard! And by the way I’m just going to ignore the parts I don’t like such as about cloth masks! And then I’m going to ignore the Texas study that comes out near the next day!

and yet you are there clothing yourself in the shield of science.In your own small way you are an essential part of the problem of the misery going on these two years and have contributed to a lot of human suffering for the sake of your own hypochondria. May I remind you: n95s in markets, once weekly takeout, don’t go to school or work with a cough (even if you know what it is and it lasts a year).
 
Sigh. The religion again. Still at it.

you can look at the record. I know it’s the tendency of religious people to look at apostates harshly but I did say against the prime “masks help a little” at least on a micro view basis. You’ve never understood the distinction of the micro and macro basis which is why you assumed people would just mask in their houses.

then you grasp onto a rct like the other religious heads that was deeply flawed in both directions. First you keep clinging to the cloth masks even though the study showed no statistical impact. Then you cling to the surgical masks even though the study only showed a statistical impact on the old. Then you ignore the other problems with the study such as that it has distance coupled in there, enforcement was coupled in there (and it reverted back once removed) and with the compliance it had it showed a very small change and that it was mostly the pre delta wave without a widespread outbreak

you see I did science. I saw the study and said hey this is interesting.It has some very pro and some anti mask stuff. Here’s what we should test next

you did religion. You said oh this study is perfect and it’s a gold standard! And by the way I’m just going to ignore the parts I don’t like such as about cloth masks! And then I’m going to ignore the Texas study that comes out near the next day!

and yet you are there clothing yourself in the shield of science.In your own small way you are an essential part of the problem of the misery going on these two years and have contributed to a lot of human suffering for the sake of your own hypochondria. May I remind you: n95s in markets, once weekly takeout, don’t go to school or work with a cough (even if you know what it is and it lasts a year).
Ps if you look at the record you’ll see that y’all were coming down harshly on me for telling you masks only help a little and were not enough to break or bend curves while y’all were claiming masks could control the pandemic, make it go away or that masks were better than vaccines. You all have moved to my way of thinking (no outdoor masks, better masks, most transmissions in the home, masks help best for short term exposures, no masks on kids and the handicapped) more than I have to you.
 
Sigh. The religion again. Still at it.
you did religion. You said oh this study is perfect and it’s a gold standard! And by the way I’m just going to ignore the parts I don’t like such as about cloth masks! And then I’m going to ignore the Texas study that comes out near the next day!
Excellent insight on the religion analogy Grace T. Dad, Espola, Husker, Golden Golden Gate, NoCal Dad, EOTL, the Long Game fella, Messy and others are freaking brainwashed and 100% in a cult. I'm starting a side gig as a Professional Cult Deprogrammer & Holistic Healer. These people really need help Grace. I would love to chat with you and Bruddah IZ offline to talk about a way to get my idea off the ground. I care for all people and I know you do. Espola & EOTL is the David Karesh/Jim Jones cult leader of this sect of a group and I dont see any hope for them. They are drunk on political kool aide. I actually want to save Dad first. Thoughts?
 
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That’s because AZ infected so many people early in the pandemic.

If you look carefully at your data, you’ll notice that AZ has almost three times as many deaths per capita as WA.

You’re even getting close to passing New York. They’re at 280 per 100K, you’re at 266. One thousand more deaths and you guys take the lead!!!

Actually, you’ll have a hard time passing Mississippi. They‘re up at 308 already, and are adding 1.4 per day. Just goes to show what can happen when your vax rate is down at 42% and you hold the line against those awful mask mandates.
The part you miss and CONSTANTLY refuse to address is the following.

MS and UT have about the same cases. MS is about the highest deaths. UT about the lowest.

CA has similar case loads to a variety of other states. Some have far higher deaths, some are about even, some are much lower.

Etc.

You just look at deaths and go...1+1=states should have locked down more. IE you can do math fine. You seem to not look at and try to analyze data as to why.

MS has the highest obesity in the nation and that generally is in a certain population that is already rather unhealthy. UT doesn't have that issue.

AZ has like CA cases similar to a variety of other states who all have very different deaths. AZ is a retirement state with a large Indian population.

NM a state who followed CA in many aspects and was even stricter in some has case rates similar to CA but far higher deaths. NM also has a large Indian population.

You just look at deaths and say yep it is gov intervention or lack of it that is why deaths are at a certain level. You go silent (as in never once have spoken) on the fact that many states have similar case loads but very different deaths. That should tell you that it is something else at play. Percentage of older people in a state, overall health in a state (or within certain groups), Indian populations, etc. The reason you go silent is because you CANNOT then rely on well they didn't mask, or they didn't social distance.

This is the same thing that has happened in other countries. Serbia has less than half the deaths of Belgium with around the same cases, etc. As you look around you see plenty of countries with similar cases but rather different deaths per million.

As a math guy you like 1+2 = gov solutions work!

You fail to look at the data and say well it appears something (many) seem to drive what is going on.

It is kind of like your mask thing. Despite countries with high compliance vs those with less, we see the waves all hit the countries at roughly the same time and act in similar manners. You cling to masks saying they work. Real world data shows the virus spreads in a similar manner around the world and the waves all happen at roughly the same time.

This also gets back to your fundamental problem in interpreting data. You constant solution(s) are blanket in nature. Long ago we learned who is actually at risk. Your preferred solutions target everyone. You yourself are a perfect example of knowing math and failing to look at data. You are healthy and young and vaxxed and yet you still walk around with a mask. It appears you also do this outside just walking around. You claim surgical masks do the trick. And yet wear n95s. In other words you have not looked at the data and realized you have little to no risk. Your actions show a person who believes you are at a lot higher level of risk.

In other words a lack of understanding the data available.

Which is the same you seem to do with state/country data.
 
Roh roh. This paper says the virus is mutating rapidly and will likely escape antibody responses. In other words it acts like flu, H3N2, not like chicken pox (as Biden/Fauci/Gottlieb had hoped). If correct, it means boosters aren't going to get us out of it: either you have to go to the English approach and have everyone get more broad and rounded natural immunity against all the various proteins, or you are going to have to mandate vaxx boosters in perpetuity (which doesn't seem to be as easy as initially promised since Pfizer some 5 months later still doesn't have a Delta booster let alone the other 3 and let alone the other vaccines which STILL don't have approval)

 
In other news, watch for the official audit report next 9/24 in AZ at 1pm. It's public hearing open to the public. I guess Maricopa made a deal and I hear the routers are being handed over? Also, the over 200,000 sealed indictments are now going to be unsealed, one at a time for the drip affect. DNC lead attorney for HRC was the first drip to drop. That Elias fella already confessed to doctoring a FISA app to a judge about spying on t back in the day. I hear only 199,999 more to go. That's why Camp Justice just built a new court house down at the Bay. Amazing how you can;t even find the news about this at big news corps. Get the popcorn out everyone. Always error on the side of truth and choose wisely. The ALL SEEING EYE is watching your every move and every thought is recorded. No escape, nowhere to run and for sure nowhere to hide. The scamdemic is a cover folks. I told you all many, many times. Everyday I wake up I hope some you will wake your asses up but no, we do this everyday and play round and a round we go with the jabber doo, mask and testing and boosters. FDA just hit Pfizer hard btw. It's happening everyone. Choose the truth and the truth will set you free :)
 
either you have to go to the English approach and have everyone get more broad and rounded natural immunity against all the various proteins,
Not just the English.

Sweden has followed the approach. Denmark just said no more restrictions (health minister said we just need to live with it), Singapore has given up.

You will see more and more countries give up to reality.

It is endemic, it mutates, and we cannot go around restricting daily lives, biz, school, when the reality is those measures will not stop the virus.

There is a new family on the block that moved in 2 yrs ago. We don't like the family, but they are here to stay.
 
Not just the English.

Sweden has followed the approach. Denmark just said no more restrictions (health minister said we just need to live with it), Singapore has given up.

You will see more and more countries give up to reality.

It is endemic, it mutates, and we cannot go around restricting daily lives, biz, school, when the reality is those measures will not stop the virus.

There is a new family on the block that moved in 2 yrs ago. We don't like the family, but they are here to stay.
Hound, excellent takes bro on the reality side of things. It's as plane as day to folks like me and you. I love you man and I appreciate all you do to shed truth on the darkness. Reality is hard to see for some when their brainwashed and live for a cult. My buddy Colin's mom is attorney and woke as anyone can be woke. He tries to wake her up with facts and truth and she still is sold on Joe and feels all this could be fixed if EVERYONE was compliant and obedient and just take the two jabs and any boosters that come with them and do whatever Dr. Fraud and Bill say. This lady has a law degree Hound and is very academic and a proud pandemic believer like Dad. Colin asked me to meet with his mom out of desperation. He's trying to arrange the intervention as i write so I can try and deprogram her and save her from the cult. All my expenses are covered. I just ask for a donation or whatever they feel is warranted after we get her help and out. It's starts with a surprise "attack talk" set up by her son. I have to verbally get her attention and get her to stay without her feeling forced to stay. Any good deprogrammer will tell you always tell the person their free to leave. If she feels the love by her kids and crush, we play all the videos and try to get her to the light. We have her suitcase all ready to go if she agrees to the 30 day impatient care, no tv or internet programing from that Mocking Bird. It's actually going to be outside at a camp site, TBA at a later date. We will work on the mind, body and the soul. Holistic Healing is at the core of the heart chakra and is key to a new life. Sacred Ceremonies will be the thing peole will look for in the future. Were entering the age of Aquarius Hound. Make love, not war bro :)

 
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