Vaccine

Bruddah IZ said:
Way to avoid bringing lockdown centralCali, in 1st place for Cases and deaths. Gotta love those mask mandates.
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First place?

Not even close. Every single central valley county has fewer deaths per capita than Arizona. They’re mostly under 200. AZ is up at 266.

Give credit where credit is due. Arizona has more covid deaths per capita than anywhere else west of the Mississippi. Their only real competition comes from the GOP states in the Southeast, like Louisiana and Mississippi.

I’d include NY and NJ, but they cheated by putting known covid patients directly into nursing homes. AZ earned their high death rate honestly, by pretending that nothing was wrong.
 
dad4 said:
You know, your neighbors at the restaurant probably didn‘t want to catch RSV, either.

Your attending the restaurant is a great example of why it isn’t enough to say “stay home if you are sick”. Some selfish people will still go near others even though they have a cough, fever, or other symptoms.
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Kinda like that soccer parent that asks if their kid can still play if their Covid test is negative (having gotten tested the day before because the player has a fever?)

Sick is sick & Stupid is stupid.

Wonder how much more of an impact on R there would be if people just stayed home when ill… probably more than all the mask discussion (not “debate”) here.
 
dad4 said:
First place?

Not even close. Every single central valley county has fewer deaths per capita than Arizona. They’re mostly under 200. AZ is up at 266.

Give credit where credit is due. Arizona has more covid deaths per capita than anywhere else west of the Mississippi. Their only real competition comes from the GOP states in the Southeast, like Louisiana and Mississippi.

I’d include NY and NJ, but they cheated by putting known covid patients directly into nursing homes. AZ earned their high death rate honestly, by pretending that nothing was wrong.
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Totals pal.
 
dad4 said:
That’s because AZ infected so many people early in the pandemic.

If you look carefully at your data, you’ll notice that AZ has almost three times as many deaths per capita as WA.

You’re even getting close to passing New York. They’re at 280 per 100K, you’re at 266. One thousand more deaths and you guys take the lead!!!

Actually, you’ll have a hard time passing Mississippi. They‘re up at 308 already, and are adding 1.4 per day. Just goes to show what can happen when your vax rate is down at 42% and you hold the line against those awful mask mandates.
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If you believe mask work. And they don’t. That’s why CA. Leads the nation in total deaths and total cases.
 
UCLA medical-school professor Joseph Ladapo writes wisely in the Wall Street Journal about the folly of vaccine mandates. Two slices:

The Covid-19 pandemic has spurred a remarkable stream of scientific investigation, but that knowledge isn’t translating into better public policy. One example is a zealous pursuit of public mask wearing, a measure that has had, at best, a modest effect on viral transmission. Or take lockdowns, shown by research to increase deaths overall but nonetheless still considered an acceptable solution. This intellectual disconnect now extends to Covid-19 vaccine mandates. The policy is promoted as essential for stopping the spread of Covid-19, though the evidence suggests it won’t.

Mandates infringe on personal autonomy, which can lead to political strife and unintended consequences, but they have value in some situations. In general, however, wise policy making respects the intrinsic value of personal autonomy and seeks the least burdensome path to achieve social gains.
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The sensible approach, based on the available data, is to promote vaccines for the purpose of preventing serious illness. You don’t need a mandate for this—adults can make their own decisions. But mandates will prolong political conflicts over Covid-19, and they are an increasingly unsustainable strategy designed to achieve an unattainable goal.
 
N00B said:
Kinda like that soccer parent that asks if their kid can still play if their Covid test is negative (having gotten tested the day before because the player has a fever?)

Sick is sick & Stupid is stupid.

Wonder how much more of an impact on R there would be if people just stayed home when ill… probably more than all the mask discussion (not “debate”) here.
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It’s the same with fever…some common sense is required. If it’s a fever due to a uti or tooth infection you don’t need to quaratine. I remember someone jumped on me for taking the car to be serviced while I ran a uti fever.
 
watfly said:
Testing should be readily available through schools, I think a more reasonable course of action is not to assume and get tested.
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Our district is going to do just that apparently. Or may even send rapid tests home for families to use. Not a bad idea -- now if only the antigen tests were more accurate with no symptoms.
 
Grace T. said:
It’s the same with fever…some common sense is required. If it’s a fever due to a uti or tooth infection you don’t need to quaratine. I remember someone jumped on me for taking the car to be serviced while I ran a uti fever.
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That is Wisdom..

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Stupid is stupid.

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watfly said:
Can you imagine the conversation.

"Listen honey your going to have to get tested for Covid every other day for the next little bit to stay in school"
"But Mommy I'm afraid to get tested"
"Well honey then your going to have to stay home from school for a couple weeks"
"But Mommy I've been really good about wearing my mask at school, that's supposed to protect me. What's the point of wearing a mask then?"
"Go ask your father"

Are you smarter than a 5th grader? Apparently not.
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I'm assuming those can be rapid tests and not PCR? If that's the case, it's not super bad as those suckers are easy to do. Problem will be who's going to pay for them.

What's also weird is the 10-14 day period. Delta is a much faster moving virus. In 3-5 days you should know if you have it. Our schools sit around 7 days with a negative (rapid) on the 5th day. I thought this was extreme, but now looking at your situation it's looking like a cake walk. Wonder if it's due to our high vax rates.
 
N00B said:
Kinda like that soccer parent that asks if their kid can still play if their Covid test is negative (having gotten tested the day before because the player has a fever?)

Sick is sick & Stupid is stupid.

Wonder how much more of an impact on R there would be if people just stayed home when ill… probably more than all the mask discussion (not “debate”) here.
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Funny how people make those decisions in the absence of an all knowing government.
 
dad4 said:
Even for delta R for a masked, vaccinated population is below 1. If the unmasked ad unvaccinated people had been willing to do their part, we would not even have a delta surge.

People are blaming the unmasked and unvaccinated because the unmasked and unvaccinated are causing the current problem. If you don’t like being blamed, the pharmacy will sell you a mask and give you a shot for free. Then you can be part of the solution instead of just making things worse.
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Take The Mask Quiz "Then you can be part of the solution instead of just making things worse."
 
Randomized trials provide the best available research evidence to inform health-care decisions and are considered the gold standard for determining intervention effects. But no randomized studies have shown that masks in children are effective. Instead, there are observational studies of uneven quality that reach conflicting conclusions.
 
Roadrunner said:
I'm curious. You repeatedly doubt the value of vaccines, and suggest people should develop immunity by surviving an infection. But then why do you trust the antibody treatments more than vaccines? The monclonal antibodies are mass produced in a lab by scientists, and delivered to qualified patients through IVs - if staff are available. There are risks associated with the antibody therapy too. Do you trust these therapies because there hasn't been a disinformation campaign to try to plant seeds of doubt? Note that the monoclonal antibodies will only work if they recognize the spike protein, and as SARS-Cov2 continues to replicate, variants can develop to avoid neutralization.
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Last week, anonymous posters with the portrait of Stanford University Professor of Medicine Dr. Jay Bhattacharya were plastered on kiosks around the Stanford campus, linking him to COVID deaths in Florida. Even though cumulative age-adjusted COVID mortality is lower in Florida than in most other large states, these smears appeared.

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