Vaccine

[Kicker4Life]

Just got donuts* and dropped my kid off at school.

Everyone I saw was masked. Students were masked. Traffic guys were masked. Donut customer was masked. Donut clerk was masked.

Traffic was light because a lot of people are still on zoom. If I get sushi, it will be takeout, because my favorite place is still takeout only.

So, yes. It's different up here.

*Kicker will remind me that the donuts are probably not in line with that goal of losing ten pounds.

Strange that people are so masked up OUTSIDE, but OK.

Nah…cheat days are good for moral which keeps you motivated. Maybe just a little extra cardio before or after Cheat Day

 

[met61]

Because people put up with it.

But fewer and fewer are willing to put up with nonsense like that.

... we'll see.

 

[met61]

You think people can't collaborate when wearing masks?

Surgeons and nurses have been collaborating while wearing masks for decades now. Very high stakes collaboration, if you think about it. Millions of people go to work with masks on every day. They still collaborate.

Not everyone shares your view that mask = not safe. Around here, if someone wears a mask it means that person is cautious, and nothing more.

Wearing a mask in a car or outdoors alone is a tad more than cautious, they're loons...but, free to be a loon.

 

[Grace T.]

My buddy just got hired at a law firm in downtown LA. He's not Vaxed. He starts first day and some lady told him he needs to wear a mask. Then she ask, "you are jabbed, right?" He said no and then she got all crazy and went to the boss ((lead partner in firm)). They all sat down and came up with a game plan. Dude dooes not have to wear mask around the office, only when Beatrice is working. She's one of the old farts ex wife who still has a job at the firm, Anyway, no one dares ask my friend about his Hippa rights. My pal went to USC and is super duper smart. Office is open and folks are working Grace T.

Yes, some of the law offices are open but the ones I know that are open are on a "flex" schedule. You can come in if you have an essential purpose, or there's a rotation schedule in place, but I'm not aware of any of the large ones being fully open (mostly just the smaller ones). It's the same with the talent agencies BTW.

 

[watfly]

We don't talk about the unvaccinated much here locally due to our high vaccination rates. I suppose people talk about the national concerns, but I'm just speculating. People wear masks when they go indoors. We personally do take out (probably more than we did pre-COVID). I suspect others are ok going inside to eat. Hopefully take out continues to boon during the winter period. A lot of restaurants created more outdoor seating, but obviously once it starts to rain that will go away. All of the local stores are regularly sold out of the rapid tests. I mean it's not normal and stress free, but it mostly works here.

I get the impression in our community that the mentality is get vaxxed and move-on, and if you don't get vaccinated that's your choice and has no impact on me. Wear a mask, don't wear a mask...no one seems to care. I'm sure some people silently judge but I don't get a real sense of the public shaming that the media is promoting.

 

[Desert Hound]

Around here, if someone wears a mask it means that person is PARANOID, and nothing more.

I fixed it for you above.

 

[Grace T.]

You think people can't collaborate when wearing masks?

Surgeons and nurses have been collaborating while wearing masks for decades now. Very high stakes collaboration, if you think about it. Millions of people go to work with masks on every day. They still collaborate.

Not everyone shares your view that mask = not safe. Around here, if someone wears a mask it means that person is cautious, and nothing more.

It's not my view. It's the message that's been sent to the upper middle class, which unlike the working classes, have been holed up working from home. It's partially a function of the masks turning on and off when community spread gets high....high spread means not safe....you yourself acknowledged that one of the benefits of masks might be to encourage distancing.

Surgeons and nurses don't wear masks to prevent themselves from getting sick, or from limiting community spread prior to COVID. It's to prevent infections coming into wounds, particularly the bacterial infections (which recently have become increasingly resistant to antibiotics). If you watch them at a water cooler, even the surgeons weren't wearing their masks, and I recall when I had to have major surgery to reconstruct my ankle, none of the nurses (or nurses aids) tending to me had masks (nor the doctors on their rounds) and I had to constantly remind them to wash their hands before handling me.

If you think everyone in a hospital preCOVID was going around masked up including while chatting each other either: a. you've never been in a hospital (in which case your wife must have been hella po'd when your kids were born), or b. you are kidding yourself.

 

[crush]

Yes, some of the law offices are open but the ones I know that are open are on a "flex" schedule. You can come in if you have an essential purpose, or there's a rotation schedule in place, but I'm not aware of any of the large ones being fully open (mostly just the smaller ones). It's the same with the talent agencies BTW.

I will ask him how large The Firm is. It was funny listening to him explain how to talk your way into getting people to do what's right. I get all emotional and it gets me to wear I want to go as well. TGIFF Grace T. Love you and wish you and your family the best

 

[Desert Hound]

Speaking of the bay area.

Funny how leadership in many places tell you this thing is dangerous, etc. And yet when it comes to their personal lives they act like there is little risk (which for most this very true).

And then they wonder why people question them.

Maskless San Francisco mayor breaks health order, seen partying with BLM co-founder at nightclub

San Francisco Mayor London Breed was seen partying and singing maskless in a nightclub, breaking her city's mask mandate.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Grace T.]

Strange that people are so masked up OUTSIDE, but OK.

Nah…cheat days are good for moral which keeps you motivated. Maybe just a little extra cardio before or after Cheat Day

It seems to me that there maybe two parallel universes going on. In our community, as far as I can tell, everyone has moved on from Covid since they have been vaccinated. With the exception of schools (and airplanes), there is little to no mask wearing and people have resumed normal life. High school football games are packed, offices are back to in-person, restaurants are full, people are enjoying concerts, flights are oversold etc. Our local sushi place has at least a 1 hour wait on weekends and some weekdays. It's life as normal. Are there communities not like that? The media would have you believe that the unvaccinated are holding up life returning to normal (when the reality is that the fearful are holding off life returning to normal). I don't see it but maybe there are areas that are still that way. What is your community like?

Has is anyone else noticed that the narrative has changed from fear of Covid to fear of the unvaccinated?

Gotta say this is consistent with what we saw at the smoke house yesterday. Inside groups don't care, remove mask as soon as they hit the table. Outside groups (the patio is much smaller than the interior and they took down the front of the house tent, but the patio was completely full) wearing masks at the tables. I'm still suffering from long RSV and still coughing so I got some angry stares on the patio when I coughed. The one thing which was consistent is the outside groups were all older, some frail looking. Given the stats in these groups even for the vaxxed, don't really blame them.

Kiddos invited to 4 birthday parties this weekend. Clearly the birthday crowds have moved on, but all of them are at least partially outside.

 

[Grace T.]

Speaking of the bay area.

Funny how leadership in many places tell you this thing is dangerous, etc. And yet when it comes to their personal lives they act like there is little risk (which for most this very true).

And then they wonder why people question them.

Maskless San Francisco mayor breaks health order, seen partying with BLM co-founder at nightclub

San Francisco Mayor London Breed was seen partying and singing maskless in a nightclub, breaking her city's mask mandate.

www.foxnews.com

They don't really believe their own policy strictures.

They just need to "do something" so they pick whatever their health executives tell them is needed.

 

[espola]

Nope. Take a look at cdc stats of those who have died under that age of 24.

When you see the number you will realize that this age group has no concern related to covid.

That's great! If you ignore the people who got sick and died, there is no risk whatsoever!

Hey! That even works for my old-farts group! We're all going to live forever!

Moron.

 

[Desert Hound]

That's great! If you ignore the people who got sick and died, there is no risk whatsoever!

Hey! That even works for my old-farts group! We're all going to live forever!

Moron.

Not at all.

Run the numbers. How many tens of millions fall into that group?

The numbers of deaths are minuscule. CDC has the stats.

Covid is not a concern.

But I like your argument.

It goes like this.

I say lighting strikes are not a real risk for most people. The number is astonishingly small.

Your brilliant comeback to refute the actual data is to say...Well if you ignore the people that actually got hit by lightning there is no risk whatsoever!!

And after you make that absurd statement you call me a moron?

 

[watfly]

They don't really believe their own policy strictures.

They just need to "do something" so they pick whatever their health executives tell them is needed.

Elites and many politicians don't believe the rules apply to them. Rules are for the little people and the hired help. IMO its not hypocrisy, its arrogance.

And yes, they have to look like they're doing something, even if it lacks any substance.

 

[watfly]

Not at all.

Run the numbers. How many tens of millions fall into that group?

The numbers of deaths are minuscule. CDC has the stats.

Covid is not a concern.

But I like your argument.

It goes like this.

I say lighting strikes are not a real risk for most people. The number is astonishingly small.

Your brilliant comeback to refute the actual data is to say...Well if you ignore the people that actually got hit by lightning there is no risk whatsoever!!

And after you make that absurd statement you call me a moron?

Self awareness seems to be a challenge for some.

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[dad4]

Wearing a mask in a car or outdoors alone is a tad more than cautious, they're loons...but, free to be a loon.

Not quite what I meant.

The outdoor masks were on the traffic guys at the school. I think the main function was to remind the kids to put on theirs as they walk in. It probably didn’t hurt to filter out some of the car exhaust, though.

 

[dad4]

Gotta say this is consistent with what we saw at the smoke house yesterday. Inside groups don't care, remove mask as soon as they hit the table. Outside groups (the patio is much smaller than the interior and they took down the front of the house tent, but the patio was completely full) wearing masks at the tables. I'm still suffering from long RSV and still coughing so I got some angry stares on the patio when I coughed. The one thing which was consistent is the outside groups were all older, some frail looking. Given the stats in these groups even for the vaxxed, don't really blame them.

Kiddos invited to 4 birthday parties this weekend. Clearly the birthday crowds have moved on, but all of them are at least partially outside.

You know, your neighbors at the restaurant probably didn‘t want to catch RSV, either.

Your attending the restaurant is a great example of why it isn’t enough to say “stay home if you are sick”. Some selfish people will still go near others even though they have a cough, fever, or other symptoms.

 

[Kicker4Life]

You know, your neighbors at the restaurant probably didn‘t want to catch RSV, either.

Your attending the restaurant is a great example of why it isn’t enough to say “stay home if you are sick”. Some selfish people will still go near others even though they have a cough, fever, or other symptoms.

So now if you have a sinus infection. Your supposed to stay home?

 

[Grace T.]

You know, your neighbors at the restaurant probably didn‘t want to catch RSV, either.

Your attending the restaurant is a great example of why it isn’t enough to say “stay home if you are sick”. Some selfish people will still go near others even though they have a cough, fever, or other symptoms.

Not sick. Have had long RSV now for 3 months. It's the after affects, same as COVID.

 

[dad4]

So now if you have a sinus infection. Your supposed to stay home?

Yes. This is why decent employers have sick day policies.

You are also supposed to keep kids home from school when they are sick.

You thought we were supposed to tough it out and infect our coworkers?