Vaccine
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Bruddah IZ
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Are you between the age of 0-19? If you are, you also aren't particularly vulnerable in the absence of shots 1 and 2 either. But you're ANTI-IMMUNE SYSTEM so......
Bruddah IZ
DA
The tyranny of tiny risk is his creed.
Has there *ever* been a vaccine with long term negative side effects which were not known after the first 3-4 months? It's been 16 months since clinical trials started. There is not a hidden side effect.
The vaccine isn't an unknown. It is one of the most researched substances on the planet.
It isn't so much that they are your betters. But they are better informed than you.
Either take the time to get informed, or stop pretending to understand things which you do not.
Hüsker Dü
DA
“They” have been heavily manipulated, errr I mean convinced. Decades of conditioning coming to fruition.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Better yet take the time to acknowledge that immune systems, clean drinking water and sanitation systems are the back bone of human flourishing. Without them vaccines are useless.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Spoken like a true ANTI-IMMUNE SYSTEM tyrant.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Apparently not.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Johns Hopkins medical professor Marty Makary criticizes the CDC’s continuing insistence on ignoring important data on Covid. A slice:
Sound data from the CDC has been especially lacking on natural immunity from prior Covid infection. On Aug. 25, Israel published the most powerful and scientifically rigorous study on the subject to date. In a sample of more than 700,000 people, natural immunity was 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic infections.
Despite this evidence, U.S. public health officials continue to dismiss natural immunity, insisting that those who have recovered from Covid must still get the vaccine. Policy makers and public health leaders, and the media voices that parrot them, are inexplicably sticking to their original hypothesis that natural immunity is fleeting, even as at least 15 studies show it lasts.
Meanwhile, employers fire workers with natural immunity who won’t get vaccinated. Schools disenroll students who won’t comply.
The CDC did put out a study on natural immunity last month, forcefully concluding that vaccinated immunity was 2.3 times better than natural immunity. The CDC used these results to justify telling those with natural immunity to get vaccinated.
But the rate of infection in each group was less than 0.01%, meaning infections were exceedingly rare in the short two-month time period the agency chose to study. This is odd, given there are more than a year of data available. Moreover, despite having data on all 50 states, the CDC only reported data from Kentucky. Was Kentucky the only state that produced the desired result? Why else exclude the same data from the other 49 states?
Some public health officials are afraid to acknowledge natural immunity because they fear some will choose infection over vaccination. But leaders can encourage all Americans who aren’t immune to get vaccinated and be transparent with the data at the same time. The CDC shouldn’t fish for data to support outdated hypotheses. Heeding the robust Israeli data on natural immunity could help restore the agency’s credibility and even help vaccination efforts.
Sound data from the CDC has been especially lacking on natural immunity from prior Covid infection. On Aug. 25, Israel published the most powerful and scientifically rigorous study on the subject to date. In a sample of more than 700,000 people, natural immunity was 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic infections.
Despite this evidence, U.S. public health officials continue to dismiss natural immunity, insisting that those who have recovered from Covid must still get the vaccine. Policy makers and public health leaders, and the media voices that parrot them, are inexplicably sticking to their original hypothesis that natural immunity is fleeting, even as at least 15 studies show it lasts.
Meanwhile, employers fire workers with natural immunity who won’t get vaccinated. Schools disenroll students who won’t comply.
The CDC did put out a study on natural immunity last month, forcefully concluding that vaccinated immunity was 2.3 times better than natural immunity. The CDC used these results to justify telling those with natural immunity to get vaccinated.
But the rate of infection in each group was less than 0.01%, meaning infections were exceedingly rare in the short two-month time period the agency chose to study. This is odd, given there are more than a year of data available. Moreover, despite having data on all 50 states, the CDC only reported data from Kentucky. Was Kentucky the only state that produced the desired result? Why else exclude the same data from the other 49 states?
Some public health officials are afraid to acknowledge natural immunity because they fear some will choose infection over vaccination. But leaders can encourage all Americans who aren’t immune to get vaccinated and be transparent with the data at the same time. The CDC shouldn’t fish for data to support outdated hypotheses. Heeding the robust Israeli data on natural immunity could help restore the agency’s credibility and even help vaccination efforts.
Mr. Makary is a gastrointestinal surgeon.
He's the one to visit if you give up on the diet and decide to have the stomach stapling surgery.
Which, given your thumbnail image, you might want to consider....
Bruddah IZ
DA
At some point those of you who deny the immune systems superior efficacy are going to have to come to terms with your CDC like denial. A world population of nearly 8 billion SHOULD be enough to bring you to that realization. That number of human beings wasn't the work of vaccines. Clean drinking water, sanitation systems and a robust immune system (mandated) is what got us there in large part. Your tyrant like advocacy of mandates that deny people their right to due process and liberty are an assault on the very system that allowed vaccines to be developed in the first place. Strange that you should want to destroy that which you advocate for so vigorously.
Bruddah IZ
DA
q.e.d.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Writing in The Atlantic, David Zweig warns us to beware of fishy Covid-19 data. (HT Lyle Albaugh) Three slices:
met61
GOLD
My bad, I assumed long term meant long term. You win!
Bruddah IZ
DA
Writing in The Atlantic, David Zweig warns us to beware of fishy Covid-19 data. (HT Lyle Albaugh) :
The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.
The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.
Bruddah IZ
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Writing in The Atlantic, David Zweig warns us to beware of fishy Covid-19 data. (HT Lyle Albaugh) :
But the study also demonstrates that hospitalization rates for COVID, as cited by journalists and policy makers, can be misleading, if not considered carefully. Clearly many patients right now are seriously ill. We also know that overcrowding of hospitals by COVID patients with even mild illness can have negative implications for patients in need of other care. At the same time, this study suggests that COVID hospitalization tallies can’t be taken as a simple measure of the prevalence of severe or even moderate disease, because they might inflate the true numbers by a factor of two. “As we look to shift from cases to hospitalizations as a metric to drive policy and assess level of risk to a community or state or country,” [Shira] Doron told me, referring to decisions about school closures, business restrictions, mask requirements, and so on, “we should refine the definition of hospitalization. Those patients who are there with rather than from COVID don’t belong in the metric.”
But the study also demonstrates that hospitalization rates for COVID, as cited by journalists and policy makers, can be misleading, if not considered carefully. Clearly many patients right now are seriously ill. We also know that overcrowding of hospitals by COVID patients with even mild illness can have negative implications for patients in need of other care. At the same time, this study suggests that COVID hospitalization tallies can’t be taken as a simple measure of the prevalence of severe or even moderate disease, because they might inflate the true numbers by a factor of two. “As we look to shift from cases to hospitalizations as a metric to drive policy and assess level of risk to a community or state or country,” [Shira] Doron told me, referring to decisions about school closures, business restrictions, mask requirements, and so on, “we should refine the definition of hospitalization. Those patients who are there with rather than from COVID don’t belong in the metric.”
Bruddah IZ
DA
BTW if it was the most researched substance on the planet as he alleges, then why haven't we used it to cure cancer, heart disease, the two top killers in the U.S.. Dad just spouts from his trance like whirling.
what-happened
GOLD
I really do respect your consistency but you live in a black/white world. You leave little to nuance. No bigee, just your personality.
Vaccines generally take much longer to develop, 2-10 yrs for many. These vaccines are outliers. I believe they are safe since the science behind the vaccines are sound. There have been side effects and there have been deaths associated with the application of the vaccine. you can research on your own, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you've planted your flag.
The benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk for many. For some (not a small number), the benefit doesn't outweight the risk. Some of the most hardened "anti-vaxxers" are medical professionals who are naturally curious and skeptical. And you are right, there aren't hidden side effects, they are right in front of us. I've never seen a vaccine cause such adverse side effects as the MRNA vaccines, causing patients to present severe symptoms without testing postive. It's anectodal for sure, but happens more than you think. Those are still side effects. Even newsweek tried to disprove that the vaccines have caused death and couldn't. VAERS is an open system but even with that, it can't be 100% proven that vaccines didn't cause death. You can also say that someone died with the vaccine and not from the vaccine...sound familiar?
met61
GOLD
LOL! Seriously, fat shaming? so schoolgirl of you. You win again!
what-happened
GOLD
But it gets better, "they" can't even figure out why natural immunity out performs vaccine immunity, by a long shot.. You would have thought this would have been studied concurrently. For many, vaccination is the way to go, also for many, it's not the way to go if you've already caught the big 19.
The government wanting to vaccinate those already infected, older or immnocompromised should make everyone's ears perk up.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Margery Smelkinson, Ph.D.
@MSmelkinsonPhD
Paper suggests 1/3 kids had alpha. Then a lot more got delta. Think of all the quarantines and school closures that could be avoided if we counted these kids as immune. We are not doing anyone any favors by continuing to ignore natural immunity.
Emergence of SARS-CoV-2 Alpha (B.1.1.7) variant, infection rates, antibody seroconversion and seroprevalence rates in secondary school students and staff: Active prospective surveillance, December 2020 to March 2021, England