Looks like free rein for loons to post nonsense.
Vaccine
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Looks like free rein for loons to post nonsense.
Kinda like here, huh? Present company included.
EvilGoalie 21
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Plus this one has already been linked, again just on our little site, at least once already. It's remarkable how many people are independently and closely following biostaticians' Twitter feeds.......
It’s pretty shoddy work for a statistician. The p value is clearly below 0.05, so he uses rounded confidence intervals to get the result he wants.
That’s the kind of thing you get marked off for as an undergrad.
Bruddah IZ
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Where do they get you tyrants from? The bible? He goaded you clowns all the way back to grad school. Lmao!
Bruddah IZ
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Heilspola!!
EvilGoalie 21
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Kulldorf's at Harvard so he presumably has/had some chops. But it also means he's got to bring in the flow, not just public funding agency flow but deep pocket flow. He's one of the Barrington Declaration people. Its interesting that it seems to me epidemiology draws from at least two different groups, which can tend to have different political leanings. There's immunology with a kind of medical let's help people orientation and then the more mathematical side of epidemiology which can be pretty pure Darwinian in it's outlook. So in Kulldorf's case he gets a lot of support from conservative economic think tanks. And of course there will be the left wing equivalent of that. All well and good in terms of academic debate that can be considered by policy makers I guess. But its also the sort of thing that affords low hanging fruit in the infodemic, ready made to order tweets that can be picked up and sprayed out all over the internet by whatever actors are driving this. And in Kulldorf's case if you bother to circle back and click I'm sure it helps sell his book. Notoriety is good.
I don’t doubt he knows how to do the math properly. Part of his job is to mark down the grad students when they make that exact error.
I wouldn’t count on policy makers to be able to follow it, though. I’ve been in that room. They will hear nothing more than that there are famous sounding people arguing both ways. Arguably, that is the goal of the weaker side in each debate: throw enough sand that it’s all blurry.
Your bias is showing
I see we've moved on from the let's question the person's credentials/abilities phase, and are now in the let's question his motives.
notintheface
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This is the stupidest thread on this entire board. All of you antivaxxers aren't going to convince anyone of anything. What are people going to do, take the t-cells out of their body?
a. I see your charming self is lurking here again. Any more c words you want to throw around?
b. If it's so stupid, why ya here?
c. Don't paint all of us with the broad stroke. Some of antilockdowners are not antivaxxer.
d. Your "stupidest thread" claim is demonstrably false. Climate and Weather, President Joe Biden, Today in Fascism and Espola's neighborhood are all more stupid, and that is self-evident.
Fair enough. Let’s talk about the actual argument he put forward. He claimed that the CI was 0-22%.
To get this result, he did round things to the nearest whole number in a way which changed the answer. Normally, that’s a big no-no on the AP. Are you saying it’s actually good practice?
At least for public entities, in the US the vaccine mandates are going to get legally tricky unless: a) there's some exemption for people who can demonstrate they've had COVID, or b) there's some definitive evidence that shows natural immunity is less than vaccine immunity (recent evidence has pointed contra, but it hasn't been definitively resolved). This case settled, but George Mason wound up having to grant a medical exemption to the professor who said he had COVID before, but the professor was forced to live with some restrictions like testing which he didn't want. There will probably be more lawsuits.
www.hrdive.com
George Mason University grants vaccine exemption following prof's lawsuit
The professor claimed the vaccine was unnecessary because of his natural immunity, but GMU maintains that natural immunity is not grounds for an exemption.
EvilGoalie 21
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A lawyer one told me that the expert with the best looking shoes wins.
Better. I would never presume to take up math with you (tip of the hat). You'd have to take it up with him (he answers most sincere challenges on twitter....go for it....if your math credentials are really up to snuff he'll respect you). I'm not boosting him. I'm saying the discussion (including the challenges to him) are interesting.
It's actually the one with the most gray hair.
No need. I got my ego boost back in my undergrad days by getting Marty Feldstein to have to issue a correction in front of the entire class. Tripping up Kulldorf on a stats error is small potatoes after that.