Vaccine

Mosafie said:
Not really. Some states such as Florida just stopped reporting deaths on same day. Now they just wait and add it back in later. So what that does is increase past deaths and reduce daily reported deaths making it look like a decline.

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So how many daily deaths should they have?
 
Grace T. said:
That's why i think we'll wind up with some form of boosters for the over 50-60 crowd, if things end up rationally. For an 18 year the drop from small to miniscule to teeny tiny is irrelevant. For a 60-70 year old it might actually make a statistical difference.
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Sure. But the insurance actuaries already told us that long ago.
 
NOVA.Dad said:
www.nbcnews.com

Largest study of masks yet details their importance in fighting Covid-19

Scientists conducted a randomized trial across 600 villages and more than 340,000 people in Bangladesh and found that even some adoption of surgical masks made a difference.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Err...as I cited elsewhere there's quite a bit for pro maskers and antimasker to hate about this. On the antimasker side, surgical masks (when coupled with distancing) reduced transmission predelta only about 10% and cloth masks were found to be pretty much useless. On the promasker side, it was shown to help about 10% with a possible upside with more robust and better masking. Lots of limitations in the study but basically confirms what we know....masking (particularly better masking and particularly when coupled with social distancing) helps a little (at least pre-Delta).
 
dad4 said:
It's worse than that. The troll honestly can't think of any time in all of history when one human got mad at another for spreading disease.
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Nice. Having been accused yourself of hanging out with trolls, you try to justify it by trying to paint him as a troll. Bruddah's been a good guy on these forums, basically only responding with vitriol only with those who have justifiable earned it with a long history of random insults against people out of the blue.

If he's a troll, then (i think it was NB or maybe watfly) is right....you're a troll, I'm a troll, nova's a troll, roadrunner is a troll, basically anyone hanging out in this subforum is a troll.

p.s. exhibit "a": "selfish prick"
 
Grace T. said:
Nice. Having been accused yourself of hanging out with trolls, you try to justify it by trying to paint him as a troll. Bruddah's been a good guy on these forums, basically only responding with vitriol only with those who have justifiable earned it with a long history of random insults against people out of the blue.

If he's a troll, then (i think it was NB or maybe watfly) is right....you're a troll, I'm a troll, nova's a troll, roadrunner is a troll, basically anyone hanging out in this subforum is a troll.

p.s. exhibit "a": "selfish prick"
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You have really poor judgment in selecting allies.
 
Grace T. said:
Err...as I cited elsewhere there's quite a bit for pro maskers and antimasker to hate about this. On the antimasker side, surgical masks (when coupled with distancing) reduced transmission predelta only about 10% and cloth masks were found to be pretty much useless. On the promasker side, it was shown to help about 10% with a possible upside with more robust and better masking. Lots of limitations in the study but basically confirms what we know....masking (particularly better masking and particularly when coupled with social distancing) helps a little (at least pre-Delta).
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That is a significant misrepresentation, Grace.

The study did not find that surgical masks are associated with a 10% decline in cases. The study found that partial adoption of surgical masks was associated with an 11.2% decline in cases. The actual change to mask wearing was only 28 percentage points. Complete adoption of surgical masks would be expected to cause a larger change than partial adoption. If it is linear, a 40% decline.

Slightly more, since the surgical masks they used were washable and had a lower filtration efficiency than the disposable ones.

Cloth masks were not found to be useless. The study was underpowered to answer that question. The median estimate for cloth masks was that they were about 1/2 as effective as reusable surgical masks.

In all, the study was strong evidence that masks work, and that you should upgrade from cloth to surgical.
 
Grace T. said:
Nice. Having been accused yourself of hanging out with trolls, you try to justify it by trying to paint him as a troll. Bruddah's been a good guy on these forums, basically only responding with vitriol only with those who have justifiable earned it with a long history of random insults against people out of the blue.

If he's a troll, then (i think it was NB or maybe watfly) is right....you're a troll, I'm a troll, nova's a troll, roadrunner is a troll, basically anyone hanging out in this subforum is a troll.

p.s. exhibit "a": "selfish prick"
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Dizzy may agree with you when you want to minimize covid, but he spams the board with copies of charts he doesn’t even understand. It adds very little to the conversation.
 
dad4 said:
That is a significant misrepresentation, Grace.

The study did not find that surgical masks are associated with a 10% decline in cases. The study found that partial adoption of surgical masks was associated with an 11.2% decline in cases. The actual change to mask wearing was only 28 percentage points. Complete adoption of surgical masks would be expected to cause a larger change than partial adoption. If it is linear, a 40% decline.

Slightly more, since the surgical masks they used were washable and had a lower filtration efficiency than the disposable ones.

Cloth masks were not found to be useless. The study was underpowered to answer that question. The median estimate for cloth masks was that they were about 1/2 as effective as reusable surgical masks.

In all, the study was strong evidence that masks work, and that you should upgrade from cloth to surgical.
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Errr….as I said there’s a lot for both sides to criticize on this study. On the anti mask side it’s that it tracked symptoms since blood samples were hard to collect and that it was coupled with distance (you saw a greater effect in the elderly because the elderly were more sheltered). But I’d be happy if you just finally acknowledge cloth masks are not all they are cracked up to be.
 
dad4 said:
Dizzy may agree with you when you want to minimize covid, but he spams the board with copies of charts he doesn’t even understand. It adds very little to the conversation.
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Assuming arguendo that’s even true, that’s very different than what your friends do.
 
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