Vaccine

espola said:
"Everyone is going to be exposed to it."

Other than that, you are playing in a trio with your anti-vax loon friends.
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Great things come in three Espola. 1. God the Father/Mother. 2. Christ Jesus. 3. The Holy Spirit. Also, the Atom has three very important parts, see below bro
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Some are a trio of social media pals who have never met before. Bruddah on one side and Crush on the other side holding Grace in Love. Whatever your corrupt and twisted mind thinks beyond that is on you. Love you Grace and Bruddah :) Where is Busker Du?
 
dad4 said:
You are assuming that any vaccine which ever shows declining potency must automatically need "boosters upon boosters."

That is not even remotely true. We have several diseases which need childhood booster shots, but do not need "boosters upon boosters", as you say. Some of them, like pertussis, also have an incredibly high R and need well above 90% immunity.

Despite all that, whopping cough is rare. The vaccination campaign is successful, and we don't require annual adult pertussis boosters.
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Errr...your last sentence is incorrect. It's recommended that caregivers of young infants too young to receive the shot to receive a pertussis booster (at least it was several years ago when I had kids....I had a bad reaction to mine despite having had several other boosters as an adult including the MMR one when I got potentially exposed at that Disneyland incident).

We've also had periodic outbreaks of whooping cough. Day care centers were closed for 2 weeks in Los Angeles when my son was 2....his playmate and a coworker of mine had their kid hospitalized because of it. If your standard is periodic regional epidemics are cool and we can drop masks/restrictions at that point, o.k. Otherwise, I don't think the pertussis vax does what you think it does.

But I do agree there are two possible permutations of the Israeli/Gottleib approach. Gottlieb himself has said maybe the 3rd booster is enough to really boost immunity for a long time (like varicella). The Israelis are under the impression COVID is more like the flu and will keep mutating so constant boosters are required. I'll give you that much.
 
Grace T. said:
Errr...your last sentence is incorrect. It's recommended that caregivers of young infants too young to receive the shot to receive a pertussis booster (at least it was several years ago when I had kids....I had a bad reaction to mine despite having had several other boosters as an adult including the MMR one when I got potentially exposed at that Disneyland incident).

We've also had periodic outbreaks of whooping cough. Day care centers were closed for 2 weeks in Los Angeles when my son was 2....his playmate and a coworker of mine had their kid hospitalized because of it. If your standard is periodic regional epidemics are cool and we can drop masks/restrictions at that point, o.k. Otherwise, I don't think the pertussis vax does what you think it does.

But I do agree there are two possible permutations of the Israeli/Gottleib approach. Gottlieb himself has said maybe the 3rd booster is enough to really boost immunity for a long time (like varicella). The Israelis are under the impression COVID is more like the flu and will keep mutating so constant boosters are required. I'll give you that much.
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We have outbreaks of measles or whooping cough when there are enough people with low immunity in a geographical area. That then allows the virus to spread among the susceptible population. With worldwide travel, people do a good job spreading viruses around. Antivaxxers definitely contribute to the likelihood of outbreaks.
 
Roadrunner said:
We have outbreaks of measles or whooping cough when there are enough people with low immunity in a geographical area. That then allows the virus to spread among the susceptible population. With worldwide travel, people do a good job spreading viruses around. Antivaxxers definitely contribute to the likelihood of outbreaks.
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Yup, but some vaccines have a more robust life time immunological response (varicella) than others (pertusis/whooping cough). Or in really simplified terms, some vaccines work much better than others

www.bu.edu

Why Is Whooping Cough on the Rise?

Cases of whooping cough (pertussis) in the U.S. are rising, despite record vaccinations. The reason: the current vaccine doesn't work as well as the original.
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kickingandscreaming said:
The 7-day case averages in FL, AL, MS are all dropping. The "mid" south looks at or near a peak with the middle of the country rising.
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They don't chart it so I don't have easy access to it, but isn't Los Angeles/SoCal also past peak? Same pattern as last year. If the pattern holds it moves all the way north, then heads right back down to us before spring (and I'm sure will get blamed on Halloween/Thanksgiving/Christmas). You think Fauci/the blue staters will say no Halloween/Thanksgiving/Christmas. That will be pretty sad as many socaler kids (because of the fires 3 years back) will have gone without Halloween...you only get a handful of them between the kid being old enough and the kid being too old to want to do anything....imagine missing Halloween for 3 years running. Mine little guy sadly missed his last because of the fires/power outage, but at least got to experience the rest
 
Grace T. said:
Errr...your last sentence is incorrect. It's recommended that caregivers of young infants too young to receive the shot to receive a pertussis booster (at least it was several years ago when I had kids....I had a bad reaction to mine despite having had several other boosters as an adult including the MMR one when I got potentially exposed at that Disneyland incident).

We've also had periodic outbreaks of whooping cough. Day care centers were closed for 2 weeks in Los Angeles when my son was 2....his playmate and a coworker of mine had their kid hospitalized because of it. If your standard is periodic regional epidemics are cool and we can drop masks/restrictions at that point, o.k. Otherwise, I don't think the pertussis vax does what you think it does.

But I do agree there are two possible permutations of the Israeli/Gottleib approach. Gottlieb himself has said maybe the 3rd booster is enough to really boost immunity for a long time (like varicella). The Israelis are under the impression COVID is more like the flu and will keep mutating so constant boosters are required. I'll give you that much.
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The controversy with the FDA resignations, BTW, seems to center that the Biden admin is pursuing a boosters approach without knowing what this effect is.
 
Grace T. said:
They don't chart it so I don't have easy access to it, but isn't Los Angeles/SoCal also past peak? Same pattern as last year. If the pattern holds it moves all the way north, then heads right back down to us before spring (and I'm sure will get blamed on Halloween/Thanksgiving/Christmas). You think Fauci/the blue staters will say no Halloween/Thanksgiving/Christmas. That will be pretty sad as many socaler kids (because of the fires 3 years back) will have gone without Halloween...you only get a handful of them between the kid being old enough and the kid being too old to want to do anything....imagine missing Halloween for 3 years running. Mine little guy sadly missed his last because of the fires/power outage, but at least got to experience the rest
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Yes, it looks like we get to watch another October-January surge.

Are you really sure that the loss of free candy is the most important aspect of this event?
 
dad4 said:
Yes, it looks like we get to watch another October-January surge.

Are you really sure that the loss of free candy is the most important aspect of this event?
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For the kids it's the ritual (getting a costume, going out trick or treating, the candy). There something magical about it. Some SoCal kids will have barely experienced it if it gets cancelled again.

For the teens, I grant you that. But then it's theirs (and also far less magical).
 
kickingandscreaming said:
The 7-day case averages in FL, AL, MS are all dropping. The "mid" south looks at or near a peak with the middle of the country rising.
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Sweet Home Alabama here I come? South East is looking like it's calling my name bro. Socal is telling me to take one for the team to just be safe and that WILL NEVER HAPPEN. I'm driving to North Carolina to pick up my new home trailer. Trailer park life baby :)


My wife and I will stay away. Love you all and will miss you. Sorry I couldnt stay but the energy level is so low I need to go :)

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crush said:
Sweet Home Alabama here I come? South East is looking like it's calling my name bro. Socal is telling me to take one for the team to just be safe and that WILL NEVER HAPPEN. I'm driving to North Carolina to pick up my new home trailer. Trailer park life baby :)


My wife and I will stay away. Love you all and will miss you. Sorry I couldnt stay but the energy level is so low I need to go :)

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Looks like a nice trailer and a great spot but that's NOT Alabama.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
The 7-day case averages in FL, AL, MS are all dropping. The "mid" south looks at or near a peak with the middle of the country rising.
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Not really. Some states such as Florida just stopped reporting deaths on same day. Now they just wait and add it back in later. So what that does is increase past deaths and reduce daily reported deaths making it look like a decline.

 
crush said:
Great things come in three Espola. 1. God the Father/Mother. 2. Christ Jesus. 3. The Holy Spirit. Also, the Atom has three very important parts, see below bro
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Some are a trio of social media pals who have never met before. Bruddah on one side and Crush on the other side holding Grace in Love. Whatever your corrupt and twisted mind thinks beyond that is on you. Love you Grace and Bruddah :) Where is Busker Du?
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