Vaccine

NorCalDad said:
I didn't read the full study -- but it doesn't appear that there was a discussion around myocarditis via covid-19 infection (spread and severity) in comparison to the results in this study. Clearly they should investigate why the vaccines have these connections, but I'd like to see a comparison here so I can properly understand the risk (which is rational). Essentially the question is this, If younger people don't get vaccinated or boosted, are their chances of getting myocarditis post covid-19 infection greater/same/less? Conversely, what is the impact on those who have been vaccinated/boosted and contract covid-19?
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As the researchers the state: "Our results are generally consistent with those reported by the pharmacovigilance systems in France (its a French study) and other countries". There is nothing new here per se, just an expanded dataset with better confidence intervals. In the young adult category the highest excess risk for myo/pericarditis is about 15 per 100,000 for the second dose of the Moderna series. It is considerably less for Phizer.

In terms of unknown risk, in my opinion the following needs to also be placed on the scales. About a year ago, I heard neuroscientists talking about a wide range of neuro-inflammatory effects of C19 infection. Essentially, what is called long covid appears to one end of a spectrum of neural and cognitive problems that can be persistent and associated with loss of neural density in the CNS. Like everything with this virus, how you respond depends on the indiosyncracies of your own immune system. So you can have a relatively mild presentation with respiratory symptoms but a more severe neuroinflammatory response, and, unfortunately, it can affect kids too. So recent citations are below for anyone interested. We'll undoubtably know a lot more in a year.

Brain changes after COVID-19 — how concerned should we be? - Nature Reviews Neurology

Analysis of brain images taken before and after infection with SARS-CoV-2 suggests that even mild COVID-19 is associated with brain structure alterations and cognitive impairment. However, the clinical implications for individuals are unclear and further studies are needed to assess the...
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NorCalDad said:
I didn't read the full study -- but it doesn't appear that there was a discussion around myocarditis via covid-19 infection (spread and severity) in comparison to the results in this study. Clearly they should investigate why the vaccines have these connections, but I'd like to see a comparison here so I can properly understand the risk (which is rational). Essentially the question is this, If younger people don't get vaccinated or boosted, are their chances of getting myocarditis post covid-19 infection greater/same/less? Conversely, what is the impact on those who have been vaccinated/boosted and contract covid-19?
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Grace, despite her plea for "a rational world", doesn't do rational comparisons.
 
espola said:
Grace, despite her plea for "a rational world", doesn't do rational comparisons.
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What evilgoalie did was a thoughtful response and critique. Well thought out. Good contribution.

What you did is a classic example of trolling and its concurrent value.

Nice we have a side by side comparison to look at. Great when it works out that way. --^

The biggest concern here is that if every COVID exposure (whether vaccine or natural) is a potential myocarditis event, and if the vaccine isn't truly sterilizing and you are going to catch it anyways, and if given the age group you are already at a very small risk for the virus, it doesn't make sense to incur another risk event (potential once every 1/4 months) over and over again (not to mention that with this age group there is some data that says natural covid is at least a lower risk than the moderna shot). But I agree with evilgoalie...we'll know more in 12 months or so.
 
Grace T. said:
What evilgoalie did was a thoughtful response and critique. Well thought out. Good contribution.

What you did is a classic example of trolling and its concurrent value.

Nice we have a side by side comparison to look at. Great when it works out that way. --^

The biggest concern here is that if every COVID exposure (whether vaccine or natural) is a potential myocarditis event, and if the vaccine isn't truly sterilizing and you are going to catch it anyways, and if given the age group you are already at a very small risk for the virus, it doesn't make sense to incur another risk event (potential once every 1/4 months) over and over again (not to mention that with this age group there is some data that says natural covid is at least a lower risk than the moderna shot). But I agree with evilgoalie...we'll know more in 12 months or so.
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Do you disagree with me? It's not clear from your response.
 
Grace T. said:
What evilgoalie did was a thoughtful response and critique. Well thought out. Good contribution.

What you did is a classic example of trolling and its concurrent value.

Nice we have a side by side comparison to look at. Great when it works out that way. --^

The biggest concern here is that if every COVID exposure (whether vaccine or natural) is a potential myocarditis event, and if the vaccine isn't truly sterilizing and you are going to catch it anyways, and if given the age group you are already at a very small risk for the virus, it doesn't make sense to incur another risk event (potential once every 1/4 months) over and over again (not to mention that with this age group there is some data that says natural covid is at least a lower risk than the moderna shot). But I agree with evilgoalie...we'll know more in 12 months or so.
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It will be interesting to see if Newsom ever implements his mandatory Covid vaccination for school children. I don't see it happening for practical and political reasons. Newsom will be gearing up for his presidential run next July and if he follows through with his mandate it will be too fresh in voters minds.
 
Does anyone know anyone who got Monkey Pox? I have a head cold and my head hurts. No fever but the heat sucks and makes my head hurt even more. I was out in Norco area and it was almost 105 with smog that you could cut with a knife. I also have a pimple on the lower side of my back. This is the first time in a very long time I'm going to go lay down and just sleep. I hope it's just the weather conditions in the IE.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Magoo ...
Grace was very clear in her response..."What you did is a classic example of trolling and its concurrent value."
Have you been partaking in adult beverages already today?
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The first question I had when I read the paper Grace referenced was what the rate of myocarditis was for those who caught covid. Before I could formulate the question, others had opened up that avenue of the dialogue. Perhaps you might have noted that Grace did not include any such thoughts, and was content to stick with her usual one-sided agenda.

We now return you to Grace's "rational world".
 
A couple colleagues of mine and my doctor (all at least triple vaxxed) got rebound COVID after taking Paxlovid. I've been saying for a while now the dosage is either too low (which would require new safety tests at higher dosages) or the course of treatment was too short (which would require new safety tests for a longer regimen) to fully clear the virus.... glad they are finally beginning to wake up to the possibility and evaluate...but in the interim, we probably need discussion about whether to stop treatment with Paxlovid of routine, not-at-risk cases (e.g., people under 60 years old that are vaxxed and not immunocompromised)....but we won't because $.

www.foxnews.com

COVID-19 rebound after Paxlovid treatment likely due to insufficient exposure to the drug

A CDC study of the COVID-19 treatment drug, Paxlovid shows that instances of symptom rebound after treatment may be due to under exposure to the drug
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Grace T. said:
A couple colleagues of mine and my doctor (all at least triple vaxxed) got rebound COVID after taking Paxlovid. I've been saying for a while now the dosage is either too low (which would require new safety tests at higher dosages) or the course of treatment was too short (which would require new safety tests for a longer regimen) to fully clear the virus.... glad they are finally beginning to wake up to the possibility and evaluate...but in the interim, we probably need discussion about whether to stop treatment with Paxlovid of routine, not-at-risk cases (e.g., people under 60 years old that are vaxxed and not immunocompromised)....but we won't because $.

www.foxnews.com

COVID-19 rebound after Paxlovid treatment likely due to insufficient exposure to the drug

A CDC study of the COVID-19 treatment drug, Paxlovid shows that instances of symptom rebound after treatment may be due to under exposure to the drug
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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So your suggestion is that instead of increasing the dose or the duration of treatment, we should stop treatment?
 
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Grace T. said:
Another study confirming what we suspected: a higher than expected incidence of myocarditis in young people from the vax...moderna worse than pfizer. In a rational world, it would influence the guidelines of boosting these age groups and what vaxx to use.


www.nature.com

Age and sex-specific risks of myocarditis and pericarditis following Covid-19 messenger RNA vaccines - Nature Communications

There have been reports of myocarditis and pericarditis following mRNA COVID-9 vaccination. Here, the authors use nationwide data from France and find increased risks of these outcomes in the first week following vaccination, for both the first and second dose, and present age- and sex-specific...
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It's sad because the people who should read this will more then likely dismiss this as fake news.
 
espola said:
So your suggestion is that instead of increasing the dose or the duration of treatment, we should stop treatment?
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I see your comprehension is still getting worse. Kinda sad

they can’t increase the dose or duration without going through safety trials which they should start asap. But in the interim there’s no reason to be giving it for cases that aren’t high risk.
 
Grace T. said:
I see your comprehension is still getting worse. Kinda sad

they can’t increase the dose or duration without going through safety trials which they should start asap. But in the interim there’s no reason to be giving it for cases that aren’t high risk.
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Your anecdotal evidence is not sufficient to justify a "no reason" result.
 
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The war for life is being played out as I write. Choose life you guys, not death, trust me 100% on this. Time to care for the kids first, not money and selfishness.
In case some of you are just waking up, all of the crap the last 6 years has always been about the "Big Lie" 50 years ago. Jane Roe was an actress who was bought by the _ I A and paid to lie so we would kill millions of babies, 33% of which have been black babies. Jane had three kids and gave them all away for adoption, not death. Then she was bought by the Conservatives and lied like George Soros did about converting to the ways of Christ and she became a spokeswoman for Christ and the babies right at a chance at life. The whole abortion issue was predicated on a Big Fat Lie by all the liars, and we know who the father of lies is.
 
My very good pal who also happens to be a big time Doc has told me this is now happening to may women. We need to educate everyone better on sacred sex, safe sex and responsible sex. This would be interesting to say the least and would help fix all the wrongs.

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