Same conclusion, if people are allowing themselves to be manipulated by memes we have some serious problems. Bruce certainly was on the forefront of a "comedic" genre, unfortunately he was a drug-addled scammer so his social commentary was easily dismissed or not taken seriously. He was really only relevant to the counterculture.
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I should say he was only relevant, "at the time" to the counterculture. He has influenced many comedians since then.
You have three issues:
1. it’s deeply undemocratic. You are basically saying you don’t trust the people to make judgements based on the facts and therefore they need to be protected from themselves by the experts. What is the name of this power plant?
2. the experts are myopic. The health experts made decisions based only on public health. They didn’t weigh the economic costs and didn’t weigh what happened to children and education. What’s worse is the type of person who goes into that line of work is already highly risk adverse so you get stupid recommendations like don’t eat your meat rare or don’t eat cookie dough
3.Things are so polarized even the experts are tainted. So that’s why you got some experts telling close the beaches but then turned around and said blm protests were ok. It’s why you had the school reopening guidelines turned over to the teachers union
A technocracy only works with experts that are open minded, rational, untainted and uncorrupted. Those conditions don’t exist in the real world. It’s a utopian fantasy that benefits a certain class of people by puffing up their own societal status.
I think those are your issues, not his.
Blanket dismissal of subject matter experts with a one word perjorative? That, to be sure, is your wheelhouse.
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Just three?
1) Not sure what you are talking about. People are going to do what they want to do. Increasingly. Back side of the sign doesn't say nothing. And we will see this in future eruptions. A more regional approach to health recommendations. More variables in the models. To the extent it matters.
2) Nope. It's not a "health expert's" (whatever that is exactly, epidemiologist maybe) job to do the economics and balance all the stuff you get so worked up about. That is an elected official's job, balance the inputs. The science must be insulated from these necessary creatures. So if you don't like them you can vote them out. At least for the moment. People like Fauci are not health experts. He's not close to the data at all. Hasn't been for decades. He's a political middleman, an insulator of sorts. The question stands "If he is the devil incarnate why did Trump keep him".
3) The polarization will almost certainly get worse. And then maybe it will get better and maybe it won't. If "experts" are your boogeymen that's convenient but the fault is collectively ours. But there's always surprises. Huge winds farms across 1-80 through Iowa. I mean, it made Palm Springs look like a dog and pony show. Power ebbs and flows.
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I don't trust people that order a nice cut of beef, well done. What's the point? It's like driving a Ferrari the speed limit. Maybe they should just have the chicken.
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Well, you're the one that brought up Chapelle. The drugs tend to come with the territory when you're on that edge. I agree with you in a sense, however. If you-personally, not as a nation-state-don't want to be manipulated, get offline. I highly recommend highway 24 through Utah for perspective. "Exposed unconformities". Little geologic peeks through cracks in time.
Ah there’s our disconnect. You view an expert as someone truly devoted to their field and as a result limited in their scope of expertise…a true scientist. I’m using the term to encompass the unelected bureaucrats like fauci. Then you have dad 4s definition (which is anyone that agrees with him with a credential…everyone else is a snake oil salesman)
there were a couple issues with trump firing fauci. At first trump went mostly in with the experts and deferred most of his planning to pence…as atlas has written too it wasn’t fauci in the drivers seat but birx. Trump was slow to realize that the entire control the virus had gotten away from him and he didn’t have the smarts to figure out how to get out of the box and was distracted by the election (hence atlas). By the time he wanted to fire fauci it was too late…the blues had rallied to him as an anti trump superhero. Firing a bureaucrat like that would have also been legally tricky….the system is designed not to give politicians that power…it’s to stop the 18th century corruptions we had in place. He didn’t have the political power to do it (given his tenuous place with the election…remember the letter they all signed…it would have led to mass resignations and triggered a crisis with pence too who was running the thing) and it would have been legally dubious (a Vat of oil he was reserving for bigger fish as we all saw play out). After the election, had he won, there’s no doubt in my mind either he would have done it outright or forced fauci to resign.
Chappelle is hardly drug-addled, you can't even compare the two. Big difference between some weeds and shrooms vs. heroin and meth on a daily basis.
Unfortunately your right, we have a generation that is getting their news from Twitter, Tik-Tok, Etc. Personally I think it started a decade or two ago with young people getting their news from The Daily Show.,
Capitol Reef area is beautiful but I personally prefer Mirror Lake Highway through the Uintas. In both cases I prefer getting off the highway and onto the trails.
Fly Sprit, fly. I'm happy you can spend time fishing with your dd, 100%. That is special. Babies win and the liars still lie is special to me. Sorry for my broken promise and I see how you and Espola have accused me of lying. I broke a promise with one of these* next to it. *I reserve the right to come back anytime I want, even if I verbally tell you and your lying Elk I will never come back to the forum. I also said if news gets "hot" I will come back and make a cameo. Plus, many of my fellow brethren on here PM me hundreds of PMs every week and it's not easy to get back to folks. To all those waiting on a response PM, It's too much work to answer are your Q's. I came back because Roe ((who lied about being raped)) v Wade got put back in it's place and now each State will decided how many weeks is too many weeks to kill your baby. California is 6 months and like I said, If you want to tap into a growing business, become a nurse or Dr. Everyone West of the Missippi will come here for on demand abortion up to 6 months. We might go all the way to 9 months. Insane but if my beautiful amazing State votes for that, I can;t stop it. Dick will pay up $4,000 for anyone or friend to abort baby. Oh, Amazon as well. I think Dick saves money this way and keeps his worker at work and not taking care of a baby.
Yo, the hospital wouldn't let me in without a rapid test up my nose ((brain)) so I will wait and pray and not pay to play to see my dying best friend. I watched first 10 seconds of this video and it's not for me at all. I like this one from Truth. It's only .17 seconds.
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Ahhh you only like Carlin when he's railing against people with views you disagree with. Got it.
Good luck Crush on your anti-woman crusade.
No way in hell am I ever going to click anything with "Truth Social" in it. I might have to lose some brain cells first. What's your trick? Cocaine?
Would you say we are in trouble if people follow Alex Jones and Q?
I never said I didn't like Carlin, I didn't like the video you sent and frankly have no time for those types of dumb jokes. I like my type of jokes and if Carlin speaks to my heart, then I like. That is me being honest. Bruh, your asking me to take 7 minutes out of my busy life to listen to those types of jokes? No way. For example, I got to see my best friend today. He was in my wedding. Cool bro 100%. He did not like t either by the way and he still loves me and I love him. Please please pray he comes back. No brain activity and they already know he has brain damage. I love women by the way. I want each State to come up with their own rules. That is fair 100%. Thanks for talking to me after a year. I know I told you to, you know, you know what and I what to apologized for that. Did you forgive me? Truth is dope bro by the way. I had a very cool conversation with a Satanist last night, no joke. Long exchange but he wanted to know if forgiveness is available for those who sold their soul or spoke blasphemy and something else I forget about. He said he has never harmed anyone, just himself. Dude was honest and truthful and said he wants to help and do better. He likes my posts and I liked one of his. Super deep stuff about forgiveness and things I've never read before. It was spooky, yet I though he was a hardcore follow of Christ. Dude knows the Bible better then folks I went to church with. He said Heaven morns everyday for Lucifer and his big fight with God and they pray for peace and that the Devil would be granted forgiveness when this is over with.
100%. Alex Jones and the Qanon people are nutjobs. Fortunately they represent a very small minority. Out of curiosity where does one go to follow Q? I've never stumbled across any Qanon propaganda on the internet. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just don't know that they have much reach other than what the MSM has given them. I can certainly see Qanon people being influenced by a meme, they're not the sharpest tools in the shed.
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I know some NA/AAA addicts that are all in on anything trump, trumpy or trumpist. A lot of those types in the SD East county and in construction.
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We are currently estranged from a few friends, some mine (mostly east county) some the wives (Texas, South Carolina, Florida and a relative in Mississippi), that turned hard Q. Those people are passionate about their beliefs. So yeah they are out there as is the rhetoric. There are also those that use all the terminology yet claim no knowledge of anything Q . . . as they insist you “do the research, the threat is real, trump is fighting the good fight against the deep state cabal!”
Then there is “Pastel QAnon” designed to appeal to women.
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Would you say were in trouble if people follow George Soros and ANTIFA?
I don't think that's a real thing. I know people who follow Alex Jones....
I actually don't know any Q followers. You just see the Q shirts at Trump rallies. But I do think there are a lot of Alex Jones followers...which closely aligns with Q beliefs.
I think reasonable conservatives need to figure out how to distance themselves from these crazies. Otherwise it just looks like they're all playing dumb just to get their votes. I mean MTG is already in congress. Before you go there....there's simply no comparing her to AOC. The intellectual divide is so massive.