Vaccine

[espola]

Just FYI, in the first month of 0-4 vaccine availability only 1.5% of this population has been vaccinated. We're still only at 30% for 5-11 vaccinations. The public seems to understand the cost benefit far better than our government health agencies do.

Just FYI when a study is posted that one side doesn't like often the comment is "its not peer reviewed". Did you know the results from the Pfizer and Moderna study for 0-4 vaxes was considered preliminary and not peer reviewed and yet the FDA still approved its use. That doesn't pass the smell test.

Here are some more details about the safety profiles for each one:

Pfizer vaccine: Pfizer enrolled 4,500 children in its clinical trials. For those ages 5 and under, 1,678 children received two doses three weeks apart and then a third dose at least two months after the second dose. The vaccine was well tolerated and there were no new safety issues signaled; the majority of side effects were mild or moderate.

Moderna vaccine: The company enrolled approximately 11,700 children ages 6 months to 12 years in their studies, including 6,700 under 6 years old. All children received two doses of the vaccine, 28 days apart. According to data from the company, the majority of side effects (for the group under 6 years of age) were mild or moderate and mostly reported after the second dose. No new safety concerns were identified.

With both vaccines, there were no cases of myocarditis or pericarditis, conditions that involve inflammation of the heart muscle and surrounding tissue. These conditions are known, but rare, risks for young men who receive the Moderna or Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

COVID-19 Vaccines for Kids Under 5: What Parents Need To Know

Yale Medicine physicians discuss the authorization of COVID-19 vaccines for children under age 5.

www.yalemedicine.org

 

[crush]

With both vaccines, there were no cases of myocarditis or pericarditis, conditions that involve inflammation of the heart muscle and surrounding tissue. These conditions are known, but rare, risks for young men who receive the Moderna or Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

COVID-19 Vaccines for Kids Under 5: What Parents Need To Know

Yale Medicine physicians discuss the authorization of COVID-19 vaccines for children under age 5.

www.yalemedicine.org

Yet!

 

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Here are some more details about the safety profiles for each one:

Pfizer vaccine: Pfizer enrolled 4,500 children in its clinical trials. For those ages 5 and under, 1,678 children received two doses three weeks apart and then a third dose at least two months after the second dose. The vaccine was well tolerated and there were no new safety issues signaled; the majority of side effects were mild or moderate.

Moderna vaccine: The company enrolled approximately 11,700 children ages 6 months to 12 years in their studies, including 6,700 under 6 years old. All children received two doses of the vaccine, 28 days apart. According to data from the company, the majority of side effects (for the group under 6 years of age) were mild or moderate and mostly reported after the second dose. No new safety concerns were identified.

With both vaccines, there were no cases of myocarditis or pericarditis, conditions that involve inflammation of the heart muscle and surrounding tissue. These conditions are known, but rare, risks for young men who receive the Moderna or Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

COVID-19 Vaccines for Kids Under 5: What Parents Need To Know

Yale Medicine physicians discuss the authorization of COVID-19 vaccines for children under age 5.

www.yalemedicine.org

you just don't get it. Answer this mr linky: Why exactly are we doing trials when these same trials aren't showing clinical benefits in ulittles - babies and toddlers. no statistical significance yet the FDA/CDC still authorizes a vaccine? Craziness and so sciency.

Look at it this this way, most drugs/vaccines are dangerous. Within that same scope, most drugs on the market have benefits that outweight the risk (listen to the calm backbground voice in pharma commericals). In this case this vaccine does NOTHING but has statistically significant risks of side effects. CDC/FDA approvals for drugs are normally predicated on benefit outweighting risk. There is obvously no benefits so one wonders why it was approved.

 

[espola]

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you just don't get it. Answer this mr linky: Why exactly are we doing trials when these same trials aren't showing clinical benefits in ulittles - babies and toddlers. no statistical significance yet the FDA/CDC still authorizes a vaccine? Craziness and so sciency.

Look at it this this way, most drugs/vaccines are dangerous. Within that same scope, most drugs on the market have benefits that outweight the risk (listen to the calm backbground voice in pharma commericals). In this case this vaccine does NOTHING but has statistically significant risks of side effects. CDC/FDA approvals for drugs are normally predicated on benefit outweighting risk. There is obvously no benefits so one wonders why it was approved.

One wonders?

Please continue.

 

[crush]

One wonders?

Please continue.

 

[watfly]

Here are some more details about the safety profiles for each one:

Pfizer vaccine: Pfizer enrolled 4,500 children in its clinical trials. For those ages 5 and under, 1,678 children received two doses three weeks apart and then a third dose at least two months after the second dose. The vaccine was well tolerated and there were no new safety issues signaled; the majority of side effects were mild or moderate.

Moderna vaccine: The company enrolled approximately 11,700 children ages 6 months to 12 years in their studies, including 6,700 under 6 years old. All children received two doses of the vaccine, 28 days apart. According to data from the company, the majority of side effects (for the group under 6 years of age) were mild or moderate and mostly reported after the second dose. No new safety concerns were identified.

With both vaccines, there were no cases of myocarditis or pericarditis, conditions that involve inflammation of the heart muscle and surrounding tissue. These conditions are known, but rare, risks for young men who receive the Moderna or Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

COVID-19 Vaccines for Kids Under 5: What Parents Need To Know

Yale Medicine physicians discuss the authorization of COVID-19 vaccines for children under age 5.

www.yalemedicine.org

So your OK that it is not peer reviewed and its being used for government recommended guidance? When did you change your stance on it was OK for things not to be peer reviewed?

Seems like when you solely rely on the manufacturer's study that its a lot like the fox guarding the hen house.

 

[crush]

 

[espola]

So your OK that it is not peer reviewed and its being used for government recommended guidance? When did you change your stance on it was OK for things not to be peer reviewed?

Seems like when you solely rely on the manufacturer's study that its a lot like the fox guarding the hen house.

Seems like you are quite often wrong.

 

[dad4]

It's opinion just like the CDC and Fauci guidance. No difference, don't be fooled by the initials or the academic titles. Is it influenced by pharma? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but with the CDC's and FDA's recommendation of 0-4 vaccinations I'm beginning to wonder. I personally think that guidance is malpractice.

Unfortunately the sources for the article have to be anonymous because they will be ostracized by the scientific community. That community doesn't take kindly to any differentiation from so-called consensus.

I think it’s opinion just like @Crush’s memes.

I don't know enough about youth vaccines to make dramatic statements like "malpractice". The standard for childhood vaccines is different now. My dad went to a measles party. My son got vaccinated against chicken pox.

We know more about vaccines and disease transmission than we did back then. This makes it possible to consider vaccination for milder conditions.

The youth covid vaccine decision clearly was comparing some small probabilities, but I'm in no spot to stand on a soapbox and say they're doing it all wrong. Or right.

If anything, all I can do is hope the eggheads get it right, because public and political opinion have had a heavy dose of denialism throughout the pandemic.

 

[dad4]

So your OK that it is not peer reviewed and its being used for government recommended guidance? When did you change your stance on it was OK for things not to be peer reviewed?

Seems like when you solely rely on the manufacturer's study that its a lot like the fox guarding the hen house.

Remember, all you really know is that some conservative talking head told you that it isn't peer reviewed.

That's different from seeing an editorial in Lancet asking for data to be released.

My understanding is that the data is all public, and that it gets thoroughly discussed by people who can understand it. (Meaning: not us.)

By now, you have thousands of scientists who read the biontech 0-4 data, just because they were curious. If you think there might be red flags, find out what they're saying. It just won't be in the Daily Mail.

 

[crush]

Get your new Dad4 mask while supplies last.

 

[espola]

I think it’s opinion just like @Crush’s memes.

I don't know enough about youth vaccines to make dramatic statements like "malpractice". The standard for childhood vaccines is different now. My dad went to a measles party. My son got vaccinated against chicken pox.

We know more about vaccines and disease transmission than we did back then. This makes it possible to consider vaccination for milder conditions.

The youth covid vaccine decision clearly was comparing some small probabilities, but I'm in no spot to stand on a soapbox and say they're doing it all wrong. Or right.

If anything, all I can do is hope the eggheads get it right, because public and political opinion have had a heavy dose of denialism throughout the pandemic.

Easy-to-understand denialism sells better than having to grind through boring facts.

 

[crush]

Easy-to-understand denialism sells better than having to grind through boring facts.

Meme hurt your feelings? Look man, your time is short so hurry up and finish your closing statement.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

Just FYI, in the first month of 0-4 vaccine availability only 1.5% of this population has been vaccinated. We're still only at 30% for 5-11 vaccinations. The public seems to understand the cost benefit far better than our government health agencies do.

Just FYI when a study is posted that one side doesn't like often the comment is "its not peer reviewed". Did you know the results from the Pfizer and Moderna study for 0-4 vaxes was considered preliminary and not peer reviewed and yet the FDA still approved its use. That doesn't pass the smell test.

Clinical trails are evaluated within agencies and the results are made available to the public. There are search engines to find them. They are not considered a journal publication per se; there is not publisher, there is no paywall, you don't find them on preprint servers.. Most of the time clinical trails will not generate the type of findings that are of interest to the broader scientific community; they are just descriptive. Sometimes the results of clinical trails, if basic scientific information or new technological progress, comes out of them they are submitted for publication. In that case they are evaluated will be evaluated through the traditional academic peer review process. But that is in addition to, not in lieu of, regulatory review.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

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I like this one. Probably actually homemade, not out of St. Petersburg. This is the look my cat gives me when I catch it licking itself.

 

[crush]

I like this one. Probably actually homemade, not out of St. Petersburg. This is the look my cat gives me when I catch it licking itself.

I got talked into taking in a Bengal Cat that is half wild and half domestic. His name is Ra. Dude actually fitches toy mouse and brings it back for more like a dog, no joke. If you don't play with this cat, it will attack you. My arms have scratches and bite marks everywhere. He's my best pal as work from home and I learned how to keep him busy.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

I got talked into taking in a Bengal Cat that is half wild and half domestic. His name is Ra. Dude actually fitches toy mouse and brings it back for more like a dog, no joke. If you don't play with this cat, it will attack you. My arms have scratches and bite marks everywhere. He's my best pal as work from home and I learned how to keep him busy.

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Cute cat. But it does seem to have a bit of the "I'd really like to kick your butt" thing going on. Our cats are all strays from around the neighborhood that I live trap so the coyotes don't get them. Kids talk me into it.

 

[crush]

Cute cat. But it does seem to have a bit of the "I'd really like to kick your butt" thing going on. Our cats are all strays from around the neighborhood that I live trap so the coyotes don't get them. Kids talk me into it.

Now that is very cool. I lived in Fullerton for a few years and had ally cats behind us. I also had two boxers that would chase them all the time. Never caught one but did cause one of the cats to climb a tree and then feel down after the cat was scared do death and had a heart attack. No joke.

 

[crush]

Last me me moo of the day. Have a great day you guys. Today is all we got, live as if it's your last day. Tomorrow is never promised and yesterday is over. God Bless you all and God Bless America!

 

[watfly]

Remember, all you really know is that some conservative talking head told you that it isn't peer reviewed.

Again weak effort trying to defeat my claim by saying a got it from a conservative talking ahead, Again without mischaracterizing my argument you have no argument. Has that not crossed your mind? Dad4 it is really becoming sad, I thought you were better than that, but your drunk on the so-called expert kool aid. You seem to have drifted into Espola's neighborhood. I do my own research and take issue on a case-by-case basis, I'm not a prisoner of a narrative.

According to Yale medicine, which is far from a conservative talking head:

Although the results are preliminary and have not yet been peer-reviewed or published in academic journals, the data was reviewed by the FDA and a committee of independent vaccine experts.

COVID-19 Vaccines for Kids Under 5: What Parents Need To Know

Yale Medicine physicians discuss the authorization of COVID-19 vaccines for children under age 5.

www.yalemedicine.org

 

[espola]

Again weak effort trying to defeat my claim by saying a got it from a conservative talking ahead, Again without mischaracterizing my argument you have no argument. Has that not crossed your mind? Dad4 it is really becoming sad, I thought you were better than that, but your drunk on the so-called expert kool aid. You seem to have drifted into Espola's neighborhood. I do my own research and take issue on a case-by-case basis, I'm not a prisoner of a narrative.

According to Yale medicine, which is far from a conservative talking head:

Although the results are preliminary and have not yet been peer-reviewed or published in academic journals, the data was reviewed by the FDA and a committee of independent vaccine experts.

COVID-19 Vaccines for Kids Under 5: What Parents Need To Know

Yale Medicine physicians discuss the authorization of COVID-19 vaccines for children under age 5.

www.yalemedicine.org

Picking cherries from the same article that I quoted above.