Also in the NYT.
What to Know About the Covid Vaccine for Little Kids (Published 2022)
Here are answers to five common questions.
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- Thread starter Multi Sport
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I think you misunderstand what "only three kids" is referring to.
No one bothers with a study of only three people. It just isn't done. The stats geeks would throw paper clips at you until you get out of their office.
How did I misunderstand? Both NYT and DM are reporting that the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine is based on infections in 3 kids. I can see what your saying in terms of safety, but it clearly is based on 3 kids for efficacy.
Apparently there are a lot of paper clips flying in the Pfizer offices.
Desert Hound
DA
To date, there have been about 1k people under 17 who died with covid. Not necessarily because of covid.
They have no risk.
There is no reason to have your kid vaxxed...with the exception if the kid has some rather serious health issues.
Outside of that there is no good reason to get them vaxxed. Doesn't change their risk of death, it doesn't stop the spread of the virus, etc.
More importantly we still don't know if there are long term issues.
There is a huge difference between a study with only three kids, and a study of 10,000 kids where only three kids developed symptomatic infection.
Someone with an anti-vax axe to grind has been pulling the wool over your eyes with that only three kids claim. ”Wait for the placebo group to get sick” is no longer the only way to determine vaccine efficacy. They can measure the immune response directly.
FDA also approved OXY….so there is that. I’m sure there was no manipulation or back room deals made in that process.
For the record, if you want to give your child the. Covid shot, go for it. Just don’t mandate it.
Can you see how the claim has drifted?
We started with someone parrotting Tuck’s B.S. about an FDA study with only three kids.
Turns out, it was 10,000 kids.
Then we went to ”well, that proves safety, but not efficacy”
That one fell as soon as someone pointed out that we can and do measure immune response.
Now we are reduced to “the FDA made a mistake on Oxy, therefore it must all be corrupt.”
Oxy? I’m all in favor of third party verification of drug manufacturer claims. But Oxy is very far removed from the covid jab. It is a different product, made by a different company, using a different mechanism, to target a different condition. You’re arguing guilt by association, without the association.
Yeah those anti-vaxxers at the New York Times have really got me bamboozled. Amazing how you can just ignore facts. Or are you claiming the media is misreporting what Pfizer is claiming.
Oxycontin was approved for the management of pain, at which it is very effective. The tragedy of oxycontin is that it was marketed as non-addictive, which it most certainly is not.
You’re combining different arguments but I don’t put cherry picking past you to try to make a point.
The OXY thing show how the FDA can easily be manipulated and does make mistakes (Celebrex, ect) so their Approval still doesn’t mean it’s 100% safe (and with Vaccine Manufacturers protected from liability) the mandating and ostracizing of people who are skeptical isn’t warranted. Especially since it does NOT in fact prevent the spread as was once the battle cry of the Mandate crowd.
Don't forget Fen-Phen. For what every reason that's the one that always sticks out in my mind of botched approvals.
Some here mistakenly believe that the FDA determines safety, it's actually long term use that proves a drug's safety. FDA approval is only a preliminary step.
WHO chief 'believes Covid DID leak from Wuhan lab' after a 'catastrophic accident' in 2019 despite publicly maintaining 'all hypotheses remain on the table'
PUBLISHED: 17:01 EDT, 18 June 2022 | UPDATED: 18:20 EDT, 18 June 2022
The head of the World Health Organisation privately believes the Covid pandemic started following a leak from a Chinese laboratory, a senior Government source claims.
While publicly the group maintains that ‘all hypotheses remain on the table’ about the origins of Covid, the source said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organisation (WHO), had recently confided to a senior European politician that the most likely explanation was a catastrophic accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, where infections first spread during late 2019.
entire article:
www.dailymail.co.uk
- Director-general Tedros Adhanom confided to a senior European official: source
- The Mail on Sunday first revealed concerns about Wuhan's Institute of Virology
- Worldwide death toll of Covid pandemic now estimated to be above 18million
- WHO initially branded lab leak fears 'a conspiracy theory', accepting China story
PUBLISHED: 17:01 EDT, 18 June 2022 | UPDATED: 18:20 EDT, 18 June 2022
The head of the World Health Organisation privately believes the Covid pandemic started following a leak from a Chinese laboratory, a senior Government source claims.
While publicly the group maintains that ‘all hypotheses remain on the table’ about the origins of Covid, the source said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organisation (WHO), had recently confided to a senior European politician that the most likely explanation was a catastrophic accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, where infections first spread during late 2019.
entire article:
WHO chief 'believes Covid DID leak from Wuhan lab' after 'accident'
The head of the WHO believes Covid spread after a leak from a Wuhan lab, a senior Government source claims. Tedros Adhanom publicly maintains that 'all hypotheses remain'
Happened again
SILVER ELITE
Very linear thinking on your part. Sounds like you...after a few years of obvious incomeptenence and activism displayed by the CDC, still believes the CDC is looking out for you and your ulittles best interest.
What the CDC should have tweeted (and what a large portion of the trench dwelling pediatric community believe is that) The CDC endorsed an experimental therapy for developling 6M-5Y based on a study conducted for <3yrs on a ridiculously small sample size becuz long term effects don't matter and you cannot sue for injuries.
If it's in fact true that the trials were done only on COVID naive ulittles, then shame on the CDC. Plenty of serovprevalence in this population - some say at least 2/3.
The ethics are rathe questionable. Can the CDC and your doctor tell you why this vaccine is neccessary for this population? Cart before the horse theory?
Happened again
SILVER ELITE
how?
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
It’s not so easy in a free society to eliminate input in policy from citizens, and you know as well as I do that even the experts can vary widely in their risk assessment.
The biggest problem for “experts” are the mistakes they made that will undermine their credibility in the future.
- Taking the Chinese government’s claims at face value.
- Allowing anyone involved the virus research at the lab to be part of the investigation into the origins.
- Dismissing claims without appropriate evidence and smearing any who suggested otherwise.
- Not following their own advice
- Bowing to political pressure from teachers’ unions
- Being spectacularly wrong in some predictions
I’m not optimistic we’ll get to a point of more unified action next time.
It wasn't just their risk assessment, but more so the fact that they ignored the different risk profiles and designed "one size fits all" policies. These policies took the emphasis off the most vulnerable and caused significant collateral damage to the least, or not, vulnerable.
The "boy who cried wolf" is going to be the mentality for the next pandemic which could have catastrophic effects.
Desert Hound
DA
Terribly misguided policies.
We locked down people with no real risk.
We shut down businesses
We shuttered schools
We know who was at risk within the first 30-45 days and yet shut down everything.
It is fascinating that some people still defend the indefensible.
Some people can't stand in someone else's shoes. Some people (like introverts and those that got paid for not working) weren't impacted by the restrictions. Some fearful adults put their needs above those of children. Some people just liked the power and control. It's incredibly ironic who some think are the selfish people.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Policy making blurs into expert opinions but we are better off NOT having subject matter experts make policy. The very fact that they are an expert in a given area makes it less likely they are capable of a measured assessment of all risk. Unfortunately, political partisanship is much more common than the wisdom necessary to approach these policy decisions while considering all the risks involved.
Hüsker Dü
DA
The experts consulted with the powers that be at the time. The policy we got sent us down a dark road of denial, deflection, distraction and dewormer.
“Dewormer”. That statement alone proves your ignorance and hypocrisy in terms of denial and disinformation.