Vaccine

[kickingandscreaming]

I imagine this is a vision of COVID mandate nirvana for @dad4 - just kidding dad. Pretty interesting read.

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In fact, the residential compound where I was staying with my parents was about to be sealed off for the best part of two months as the virus worked its way through its 21 stories and 300 inhabitants.

Covid could seemingly pass between the floors and walls and the realization even the strongest measures couldn't stop it was terrifying and shocking. Each time a single person tested positive, the lockdown was extended another 14 days.

Many of us responded by becoming model Chinese citizens, volunteering to disinfect the estate and help distribute food and essential goods -- all of which had to be delivered -- directly to people's doors.

And the volunteers sanitized with a vengeance, lugging around 30-kilogram (66-pound) tubs of chemicals and donning full hazmat suits to douse in disinfectant every incoming package, every nook and cranny.

By the time they had finished, the building was so awash with chemicals that some of my neighbors' touchscreen electronic door locks had corroded and stopped working.

This might have helped ease people's nerves, but there's little evidence it did anything to stop the virus spreading.

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Shanghai surprise: How I survived 70 days confinement in the world's strictest Covid lockdown | CNN

In Hong Kong, Omicron was running amok, but in Shanghai cases were still in the single digits and with China's iron-fisted approach to infections it seemed reasonable to think things would stay that way. That was my first mistake.

www.cnn.com

 

[dad4]

I imagine this is a vision of COVID mandate nirvana for @dad4 - just kidding dad. Pretty interesting read.

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In fact, the residential compound where I was staying with my parents was about to be sealed off for the best part of two months as the virus worked its way through its 21 stories and 300 inhabitants.

Covid could seemingly pass between the floors and walls and the realization even the strongest measures couldn't stop it was terrifying and shocking. Each time a single person tested positive, the lockdown was extended another 14 days.

Many of us responded by becoming model Chinese citizens, volunteering to disinfect the estate and help distribute food and essential goods -- all of which had to be delivered -- directly to people's doors.

And the volunteers sanitized with a vengeance, lugging around 30-kilogram (66-pound) tubs of chemicals and donning full hazmat suits to douse in disinfectant every incoming package, every nook and cranny.

By the time they had finished, the building was so awash with chemicals that some of my neighbors' touchscreen electronic door locks had corroded and stopped working.

This might have helped ease people's nerves, but there's little evidence it did anything to stop the virus spreading.

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Shanghai surprise: How I survived 70 days confinement in the world's strictest Covid lockdown | CNN

In Hong Kong, Omicron was running amok, but in Shanghai cases were still in the single digits and with China's iron-fisted approach to infections it seemed reasonable to think things would stay that way. That was my first mistake.

www.cnn.com

Not the first time CCP has gone overboard on something.

At least this time it’s less damaging than when Mao decided he was the world’s foremost agricultural expert.

 

[Desert Hound]

I imagine this is a vision of COVID mandate nirvana for @dad4 - just kidding dad. Pretty interesting read.

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In fact, the residential compound where I was staying with my parents was about to be sealed off for the best part of two months as the virus worked its way through its 21 stories and 300 inhabitants.

Covid could seemingly pass between the floors and walls and the realization even the strongest measures couldn't stop it was terrifying and shocking. Each time a single person tested positive, the lockdown was extended another 14 days.

Many of us responded by becoming model Chinese citizens, volunteering to disinfect the estate and help distribute food and essential goods -- all of which had to be delivered -- directly to people's doors.

And the volunteers sanitized with a vengeance, lugging around 30-kilogram (66-pound) tubs of chemicals and donning full hazmat suits to douse in disinfectant every incoming package, every nook and cranny.

By the time they had finished, the building was so awash with chemicals that some of my neighbors' touchscreen electronic door locks had corroded and stopped working.

This might have helped ease people's nerves, but there's little evidence it did anything to stop the virus spreading.

---

Shanghai surprise: How I survived 70 days confinement in the world's strictest Covid lockdown | CNN

In Hong Kong, Omicron was running amok, but in Shanghai cases were still in the single digits and with China's iron-fisted approach to infections it seemed reasonable to think things would stay that way. That was my first mistake.

www.cnn.com

He per usual missed the point.

Despite being locked down, not allowed to go out, the virus ripped through that compound.

Lockdowns and masks dont work.

We are paying the price for it now.

We would be in a much better spot if we had not shut everything down, closed schools, etc.

 

[watfly]

I imagine this is a vision of COVID mandate nirvana for @dad4 - just kidding dad. Pretty interesting read.

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In fact, the residential compound where I was staying with my parents was about to be sealed off for the best part of two months as the virus worked its way through its 21 stories and 300 inhabitants.

Covid could seemingly pass between the floors and walls and the realization even the strongest measures couldn't stop it was terrifying and shocking. Each time a single person tested positive, the lockdown was extended another 14 days.

Many of us responded by becoming model Chinese citizens, volunteering to disinfect the estate and help distribute food and essential goods -- all of which had to be delivered -- directly to people's doors.

And the volunteers sanitized with a vengeance, lugging around 30-kilogram (66-pound) tubs of chemicals and donning full hazmat suits to douse in disinfectant every incoming package, every nook and cranny.

By the time they had finished, the building was so awash with chemicals that some of my neighbors' touchscreen electronic door locks had corroded and stopped working.

This might have helped ease people's nerves, but there's little evidence it did anything to stop the virus spreading.

---

Shanghai surprise: How I survived 70 days confinement in the world's strictest Covid lockdown | CNN

In Hong Kong, Omicron was running amok, but in Shanghai cases were still in the single digits and with China's iron-fisted approach to infections it seemed reasonable to think things would stay that way. That was my first mistake.

www.cnn.com

We quarantined healthy people, how stupid do you have to be? They were effectively sitting ducks. We threw out years of medical knowledge in regards to quarantines, masks etc out of fear and in the name of "doing something". Stay at home orders should have been "get out and get fresh air" orders. Instead we banned people from beaches, parks and other public spaces. Remember Newsom's totally unscientific tier system that prevented kids from getting out and playing with their peers? Fortunately, their was the recall or the tier system would have lasted much longer. It would be one thing if this were in 20/20 hindsight, but many were calling it as it happened.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Not the first time CCP has gone overboard on something.

At least this time it’s less damaging than when Mao decided he was the world’s foremost agricultural expert.

I appreciate the humor but there is an important point in your first sentence. The trouble with having the power to impose things that are "overboard" is that, inevitably, the power is used to impose things that are overboard.

 

[dad4]

I appreciate the humor but there is an important point in your first sentence. The trouble with having the power to impose things that are "overboard" is that, inevitably, the power is used to impose things that are overboard.

All true. Some people will have a reasonable discussion on this.

But part of that discussion is admitting that the masks, distance, vax mandates, and indoor restrictions saved lives.

Therefore, that discussion won't happen here.

 

[watfly]

Vaccines are a great idea for adults for their own protection. I just don't see the point for children. other than those that have other vulnerable conditions. Kids just don't get that sick and the vaccines don't prevent infection. Seems to be the majority opinion since only 29% of 5-11 year olds have 2 doses of the vaccination. Can't imagine there will be much demand for 6mo to 4yo.

Experts question CDC's approval of COVID vaccines for under-5s

In the wake of the CDC's approval of Pfizer and Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine for babies as young as six months, at least one expert has questioned the move.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Happened again]

You make it sound like a giant conspiracy. The vaccines saved millions of lives worldwide. Part of what saved those lives was reduced transmission among people who were themselves at a low risk.

Moderna and Pfizer made some money in the process. So what?

There is a decent argument about the lack of updated boosters. Other than that, you’re just throwing stones at the fire department after the fire is mostly out.

You sure like to twist up people's words. Touting any of the covid vaccines as a big time player in transmission reduction is quite the stretch. Par for the course for the mandate crowd. I don't subscribe to any conspiracy - the vaccines were sold as a silver bullet, they turned out to be silver plated. Did they increase protection for certain populations, absolutely, and thank goodness. Not prioritizing and having a clear vision for protecting critical populations killed people. Political flailing killed people. Public health melt down killed people. Divisive rhetoric from made for tv talking heads killed people..

What exactly is an updated booster?

 

[Happened again]

Vaccines are a great idea for adults for their own protection. I just don't see the point for children. other than those that have other vulnerable conditions. Kids just don't get that sick and the vaccines don't prevent infection. Seems to be the majority opinion since only 29% of 5-11 year olds have 2 doses of the vaccination. Can't imagine there will be much demand for 6mo to 4yo.

Experts question CDC's approval of COVID vaccines for under-5s

In the wake of the CDC's approval of Pfizer and Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine for babies as young as six months, at least one expert has questioned the move.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Messaging will be directed at the helicopter parent population. Pharma companies are already putting their people on TV, making sure a doomsday scenario is presented.

We don't even know what percentage of U11s have been exposed to the virus, yet we intend on carpet vaccinating a population of small humans that aren't at significant risk. It's a pediatric joke.

I doubt there will be many takers, many parents are paying attention. Unless school districts try to inject this into the vaccinated requirements.

 

[dad4]

You sure like to twist up people's words. Touting any of the covid vaccines as a big time player in transmission reduction is quite the stretch. Par for the course for the mandate crowd. I don't subscribe to any conspiracy - the vaccines were sold as a silver bullet, they turned out to be silver plated. Did they increase protection for certain populations, absolutely, and thank goodness. Not prioritizing and having a clear vision for protecting critical populations killed people. Political flailing killed people. Public health melt down killed people. Divisive rhetoric from made for tv talking heads killed people..

What exactly is an updated booster?

The current boosters are still based on the original variant, from 2+ years ago.

I'd much rather get a vaccine against the variants currently in circulation, or at least a closer relative. More like the flu shot.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

All true. Some people will have a reasonable discussion on this.

But part of that discussion is admitting that the masks, distance, vax mandates, and indoor restrictions saved lives.

Therefore, that discussion won't happen here.

You are correct. I haven’t seen anyone from team mandate include short and long term economic impact and mental health impact from any “experts” in those fields when promoting mandates. Well, there is the standard response from the collective of talking point trolls that throws “parenting” at any mental health concerns for children.

 

[dad4]

You are correct. I haven’t seen anyone from team mandate include short and long term economic impact and mental health impact from any “experts” in those fields when promoting mandates. Well, there is the standard response from the collective of talking point trolls that throws “parenting” at any mental health concerns for children.

Neither you nor I get to be in the room for the discussion.

I just hope it takes place. Some of the mistakes are best described as “you don’t know what you don’t know”.

Others are not so excusable. It took several months to officially recognize the role of aerosol transmission. Part of that was a reluctance to trigger regulations on air-borne pathogens. In effect, we said “hospitals didn’t have enough negative pressure rooms, therefore the disease must not be transmitted by air.”

The “experts” on the other side, such as they are, did worse. Much of their advice was just straight up denialism. It will go away like a miracle. Masks won’t work because the holes are too big. Case numbers are too small to care about. The growth isn’t exponential.

 

[watfly]

Messaging will be directed at the helicopter parent population. Pharma companies are already putting their people on TV, making sure a doomsday scenario is presented.

We don't even know what percentage of U11s have been exposed to the virus, yet we intend on carpet vaccinating a population of small humans that aren't at significant risk. It's a pediatric joke.

I doubt there will be many takers, many parents are paying attention. Unless school districts try to inject this into the vaccinated requirements.

I don't see the vaccinations for 6mo-4yo even getting to 10%. 5-11 is less than 30% and some of those were forced vaccinations. Does anyone know any parents that are clamoring to get their babies or toddlers vaccinated? Other than hypochondriac and Munchausen by Proxy parents, I don't see much demand for vaccinations for the youngest.

The vaccinations are likely safe for the youngest, but when Pfizer only tested it on 3 kids that hardly gives someone comfort of its safety.

 

[espola]

I don't see the vaccinations for 6mo-4yo even getting to 10%. 5-11 is less than 30% and some of those were forced vaccinations. Does anyone know any parents that are clamoring to get their babies or toddlers vaccinated? Other than hypochondriac and Munchausen by Proxy parents, I don't see much demand for vaccinations for the youngest.

The vaccinations are likely safe for the youngest, but when Pfizer only tested it on 3 kids that hardly gives someone comfort of its safety.

Protecting a child's heath with an approved vaccine is exactly the opposite of Munchausen by proxy syndrome.

 

[Happened again]

Protecting a child's heath with an approved vaccine is exactly the opposite of Munchausen by proxy syndrome.

In this case, do you believe that this vaccine protects the health of a healthy ulittle?

 

[Desert Hound]

The vaccinations are likely safe for the youngest, but when Pfizer only tested it on 3 kids that hardly gives someone comfort of its safety.

Why get a kid vaxxed when statistically they have absolutely NO RISK? By kids I mean 17 and under.

 

[dad4]

In this case, do you believe that this vaccine protects the health of a healthy ulittle?

Yes. The benefits of the vaccine for a ten year old are greater than the risks. This is exactly what the FDA approval process is meant to evaluate, and the evaluation is done by people a hell of a lot smarter and more experienced than Tucker Carlson.

( Insert standard comment from Hound asserting that some non-zero number is actually zero. )

 

[espola]

In this case, do you believe that this vaccine protects the health of a healthy ulittle?

Yes.

 

[watfly]

Yes. The benefits of the vaccine for a ten year old are greater than the risks. This is exactly what the FDA approval process is meant to evaluate, and the evaluation is done by people a hell of a lot smarter and more experienced than Tucker Carlson.

( Insert standard comment from Hound asserting that some non-zero number is actually zero. )

Do you think Pfizer's study that only involved three kids receiving the vaccination is reasonable to determine effectiveness and safety for an entire age group?

 

[EdNewt]

Do you think Pfizer's study that only involved three kids receiving the vaccination is reasonable to determine effectiveness and safety for an entire age group?

Nevermind. Found it.

 

[watfly]

"About the Phase 1/2/3 Trial in Children

The Phase 1/2/3 trial has enrolled more than 10,000 children ages 6 months to under 12 years of age in the United States, Finland, Poland, Spain and Brazil from more than 90 clinical trial sites. The trial evaluated the safety, tolerability, and immunogenicity of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine in three age groups: ages 5 to under 12 years; ages 2 to under 5 years; and ages 6 months to under 2 years. Based on the Phase 1 dose-escalation portion of the trial, children ages 5 to under 12 years received a two-dose schedule of 10 µg each while children under age 5 received three lower 3-µg doses in the Phase 2/3 study. The trial enrolled children with or without prior evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection."

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Receives FDA Emergency Use Authorization for Children 6 Months through 4 Years of Age | Pfizer

In a Phase 2/3 clinical trial, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine elicited a strong immune response in this age group Three 3-µg doses had favorable safety profile similar to placebo in young children ages 6 months through 4 years in Phase 2/3 clinical trial Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine...

www.pfizer.com

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Please cite your source for saying that only three kids received a vaccination in a Pfizer study.

I posted it above.