Vaccine
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Hüsker Dü
DA
I will say I have an enormous amount of sympathy for anyone who has children of any age still in school. Times are tough here in America.
Where do you get the idea that covid ruined the possibility of a compromise on on gun control?
That was your claim.
I think it's a load of hooey. The purported compromise was already dead in 2019.
If it was "the nail in the coffin", it was a nail in the coffin of someone who has already been shot, poisoned, drawn, quartered, and hung.
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Tell you what, I will stop using "fear" to characterize your side's opinions, if you guys stop using "fear" to characterize mine.
that's fair. I'm not passing on the merits of the claim. Just that it's what I'm seeing on red twitter from politicians, talking heads and the proles alike. And i'm seeing it alot from multiple unconnected people. The argument typically goes: if you think I'll let the government do [x gun control policy] after what I saw them try to do with COVID and what Australia did with its unarmed citizens, you've got another thing coming.
How many of those people previously supported background checks or magazine size limits? Close to zero?
I don't doubt they link it rhetorically, but their opposition is exactly where it was 36 months ago.
"there was never any chance of compromise" is a fair position to have.
But to the extent there was, I can guarantee you there isn't any now (even with some basic common sense things we all could otherwise agree to like magazine capacities) because of what happened with COVID, at least as far as the red staters are concerned.
If so, a reasonable reaction for Dems would be to set up votes on all the most popular gun control measures, and let the Republicans vote them all down.
I'm sure the Dems first choice is to pass something, but watching Republicans alienate 88% of the electorate has to be a close second.
Your 4% of voters on "red Twitter" can continue to dominate the primaries. They'll be about as useful as AOC, and in much the same way.
Have you been to red TRUTH. yet?
Because they can't. They are trapped as much by their wing that wants to confiscate the guns (and BTW are terrified of that group turning on them for their own armed private security) and go big and don't want to be primaried by those that call them soft on guns.
It's the same issue with abortion. The vast majority of Americans agree on the outlines of a policy which is very similar to Europe. But neither side will put that forward.
Side or State? I am for each State deciding how many weeks until too many si too many. If California votes to go all the way up until birth because mom says so and the folks vote yes on that, then that will be the law in our State. If Oklahoma folks say, "No more than 6 weeks, after that, it's some sort of find or something? Jail time?" Let each State decide grace T.
kickingandscreaming
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I’ll be surprised if any kind of gun control gets anywhere near 88% support when it comes time vote. There’s a lot more than 12% that have been marginalized by leadership as “a basket full of deplorables”, or “the most extreme organization that’s existed in recent American history”. When it comes down to making a decision, personal animosity will drive many away from what they would support in a vacuum. That’s the outcome of divisive leadership.
Hüsker Dü
DA
So vengeance from the aggrieved over doing what is right because they feel they have been the victim of some mean rhetoric? Is this where we are in America? Hurt feelings and spiteful actions? We are doomed.
We're at the point no one trusts one another, because they are convinced at best the other side is just trying to score political points, at worst that they want to do some pretty egregious stuff (kill the minorities, handmaid's tale women, China lockdowns, take kids away from their parents and have them educated by the state, communist revolution). And yes, I increasingly believe we are doomed....hanging around here in this thread the last 2 years should have convinced you about that.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Both of the sides are searching for some unattainable nirvana. We use to all know that and compromise somewhere in the middle. Media, social and otherwise are polarizing us.
It won’t be an 88% vote for Democrats. Any number over 50.1% counts exactly the same.
Any party that stakes out a 12% position should expect some pain. This was true when Democrats failed to distance themselves from “defund the police”. And it will be true when Republicans vote against criminal background checks at gun shows.
Defunding the police is a mistake.
Opposition to background tests is a mistake.
Multi Sport
DA
And here I thought you were having a good day today...
No doubt looking in the mirror as you typed that up....
This just came out on the news. I guess you need to be careful WHO you hook up with or you just might get infected with MonkeyPox
Traditionally, monkeypox virus is spread by touching or getting bitten by infected wild animals in western and central Africa.
However, the former World Health Organization's (WHO) emergencies department leader told The Associated Press earlier this week that cases in Europe appear to have spread due to sexual activity at raves in Spain and Belgium.
While it is not a sexually transmitted infection, it can be transmitted in both personal and sexual contact, with a notable fraction of recorded cases occurring among gay and bisexual men.
Traditionally, monkeypox virus is spread by touching or getting bitten by infected wild animals in western and central Africa.
However, the former World Health Organization's (WHO) emergencies department leader told The Associated Press earlier this week that cases in Europe appear to have spread due to sexual activity at raves in Spain and Belgium.
While it is not a sexually transmitted infection, it can be transmitted in both personal and sexual contact, with a notable fraction of recorded cases occurring among gay and bisexual men.
