Vaccine

[kickingandscreaming]

Don’t throw out the box of tissues when you’re recovered. There are still about 2200 people dying from covid each week. You might need some tissues for one of the funerals.

Oh, right - especially since no one ever died or nothing bad happened to anyone before COVID. Looks to me like 8000 people die in the US each day. So, 2200 a week from 56,000. Looks like about a 4% increase in tissue use - assuming all those people who are dying with COVID would not have died otherwise.

I found this interesting. There was about a 19% increase in deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. I really wonder what many people would guess for the increase in the rate of death due to COVID if they had to give an answer.

What are the leading causes of death in the US? | USAFacts

In 2022, heart disease, cancer, and accidents were the leading causes of death. Out of the nearly 3.3 million deaths in 2022, over 1.5 million, or 47%, were due to one of these three causes. The fourth, fifth, and sixth most common causes were COVID-19, cerebrovascular diseases, and chronic...

usafacts.org

 

[crush]

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Oh, right - especially since no one ever died or nothing bad happened to anyone before COVID. Looks to me like 8000 people die in the US each day. So, 2200 a week from 56,000. Looks like about a 4% increase in tissue use - assuming all those people who are dying with COVID would not have died otherwise.

I found this interesting. There was about a 19% increase in deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. I really wonder what many people would guess for the increase in the rate of death due to COVID if they had to give an answer.

What are the leading causes of death in the US? | USAFacts

In 2022, heart disease, cancer, and accidents were the leading causes of death. Out of the nearly 3.3 million deaths in 2022, over 1.5 million, or 47%, were due to one of these three causes. The fourth, fifth, and sixth most common causes were COVID-19, cerebrovascular diseases, and chronic...

usafacts.org

You try very hard to act like something is nothing.

 

[crush]

California has its first suspected monkeypox case

Patient in Sacramento County had recently traveled abroad.

www.ocregister.com

 

[crush]

It looks like the Pox is back folks. I had a buddy that got the Pox from his pet chicken back in the 70s. Here is a picture of what the Pox from Monkey looks like in case any of your kids come home from school with big boils on their hands. If you want your little one to be the safest during these horrible times in our country, i would be home schooling by the way if you can or hook up with a local Neighborhood Home School Program ((NHSP)) in your community. Times are not safe and seeing how crazy people are, I would stay home with my child(s). Sending your kids to school these days is very dangerous.

 

[dad4]

Oh, right - especially since no one ever died or nothing bad happened to anyone before COVID. Looks to me like 8000 people die in the US each day. So, 2200 a week from 56,000. Looks like about a 4% increase in tissue use - assuming all those people who are dying with COVID would not have died otherwise.

I found this interesting. There was about a 19% increase in deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. I really wonder what many people would guess for the increase in the rate of death due to COVID if they had to give an answer.

What are the leading causes of death in the US? | USAFacts

In 2022, heart disease, cancer, and accidents were the leading causes of death. Out of the nearly 3.3 million deaths in 2022, over 1.5 million, or 47%, were due to one of these three causes. The fourth, fifth, and sixth most common causes were COVID-19, cerebrovascular diseases, and chronic...

usafacts.org

19% increase in deaths in 2020, 4% increase in deaths long term. That’s a realistic description.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

You try very hard to act like something is nothing.

It's interesting to see how people react to facts. It gives insight into their thinking - or lack thereof. I simply presented facts that give context to the number @dad4 presented, and you brought up the idea that it minimized what is happening. What, exactly, are you arguing? Was it misinformation? No. Was it misleading? No. In fact, it gave important context to @dad4's number. I understand these are emotional times, and rational thought can be difficult, but, try harder.

 

[Desert Hound]

It's interesting to see how people react to facts. It gives insight into their thinking - or lack thereof. I simply presented facts that give context to the number @dad4 presented, and you brought up the idea that it minimized what is happening. What, exactly, are you arguing? Was it misinformation? No. Was it misleading? No. In fact, it gave important context to @dad4's number. I understand these are emotional times, and rational thought can be difficult, but, try harder.

Finding a rational thought in huskers ramblings feels like a quest to find the 7 cities of gold....a pointless exercise.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

19% increase in deaths in 2020, 4% increase in deaths long term. That’s a realistic description.

I will nit-pick about the use of "long term." As you well know, long term, everyone dies. I am sure you meant death earlier than without COVID, but it does bring up a question. Do you expect the increased death rate to continue into the coming years? I would think at some point long term, the COVID effect would become insignificant, and the death rate would actually decrease - not for any good reason, simply because those projected to die in the time period had already died.

 

[Desert Hound]

I will nit-pick about the use of "long term." As you well know, long term, everyone dies. I am sure you meant death earlier than without COVID, but it does bring up a question. Do you expect the increased death rate to continue into the coming years? I would think at some point long term, the COVID effect would become insignificant, and the death rate would actually decrease - not for any good reason, simply because those projected to die in the time period had already died.

Lets not forget that a rather LARGE percentage of deaths during covid happened in nursing homes. The place you send people to die. For some time that percentage constituted 40% plus of all deaths. It has remained a significantly high number.

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[Hüsker Dü]

It's interesting to see how people react to facts. It gives insight into their thinking - or lack thereof. I simply presented facts that give context to the number @dad4 presented, and you brought up the idea that it minimized what is happening. What, exactly, are you arguing? Was it misinformation? No. Was it misleading? No. In fact, it gave important context to @dad4's number. I understand these are emotional times, and rational thought can be difficult, but, try harder.

Your misunderstanding is acceptable in this case. I simply meant, as a whole, overall, you seem to go to great lengths in an attempt to minimize the reality that there is a there there. Unless one has personally been touched by Covid it’s still just an abstract, numbers to be jumbled this way and that to the liking of the user. Aka the risk is not 0, the outcomes are not all manageable and the effects are not all slight . . . but continue on with your clinical dissection of data and numbers. Never mind something that has been a determining factor in so many deaths. I mean heck dude had a underlying issues he was bound to die someday.

 

[crush]

I will nit-pick about the use of "long term." As you well know, long term, everyone dies. I am sure you meant death earlier than without COVID, but it does bring up a question. Do you expect the increased death rate to continue into the coming years? I would think at some point long term, the COVID effect would become insignificant, and the death rate would actually decrease - not for any good reason, simply because those projected to die in the time period had already died.

The leader this group answers to wants less people on the earth and that is 100% true. The deaths are going up and up so so so they can depopulate the earth. Do you see da plan yet? If you lived a good life, it's your time to give way to the young elitist kids. They don;t want bastard kids and or adoptions going on, they want to use those kids for spare parts or for ritual sacrifice. No more births=less people to deal with. Look how they attack and kill kids and use kids as pawns. These are sic monsters were dealing with K & S, regardless if you never agree with me on anything.....

 

[dad4]

I will nit-pick about the use of "long term." As you well know, long term, everyone dies. I am sure you meant death earlier than without COVID, but it does bring up a question. Do you expect the increased death rate to continue into the coming years? I would think at some point long term, the COVID effect would become insignificant, and the death rate would actually decrease - not for any good reason, simply because those projected to die in the time period had already died.

There will be fewer deaths because some people already died early, and more deaths because everyone is getting older, so some people will get old enough to become vulnerable to covid.

That option is best described as “steady state with a slightly lower life expectancy“. On average, deaths will occur slightly earlier due to the existence of one more possible cause of death.

Long term, I expect us to occasionally get surprised by a new variant because we aren’t updating the vaccines. Averages out to slightly worse than we are seeing now.

 

[watfly]

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Obviously, that's because the vaccine provides very little protection against infection. That's well established by the data and what we're all seeing with our own eyes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in complete denial of the evidence, either out of fear or the desire to still control behavior through mandates.

I think what were seeing in terms of deaths from/with Covid could probably be categorized into 3 groups. 1) those that were killed straight up with Covid which is a minimum of 5% of the deaths, 2) those that Covid contributed to and/or accelerated their death 3) those who died as Covid positive where Covid had nothing to do with their death. Categories 2) and 3) are something less than 95% of all deaths. But as between the breakdown of these two categories we just don't have the data to know at this point.

What's the latest on long haulers?

Setting aside long haulers, we still don't know the long term impact of having been infected, just like we don't know the long term impact of the vaccines. I will say "so far, so good" for both, but we just can't say with any certainty...only time will tell.

 

[Desert Hound]

but we just can't say with any certainty...only time will tell.

The one thing we do know with certainty is that the policies failed.

-rising inflation
-rising interest rates
- savings wiped out for many
- school closures screwed kids
and the news just keeps getting worse.

And none of policies helped stop the spread. They did however screw everything else up.

 

[Grace T.]

Obviously, that's because the vaccine provides very little protection against infection. That's well established by the data and what we're all seeing with our own eyes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in complete denial of the evidence, either out of fear or the desire to still control behavior through mandates.

I think what were seeing in terms of deaths from/with Covid could probably be categorized into 3 groups. 1) those that were killed straight up with Covid which is a minimum of 5% of the deaths, 2) those that Covid contributed to and/or accelerated their death 3) those who died as Covid positive where Covid had nothing to do with their death. Categories 2) and 3) are something less than 95% of all deaths. But as between the breakdown of these two categories we just don't have the data to know at this point.

What's the latest on long haulers?

Setting aside long haulers, we still don't know the long term impact of having been infected, just like we don't know the long term impact of the vaccines. I will say "so far, so good" for both, but we just can't say with any certainty...only time will tell.

On the long haulers there were competing studies that were released. Out of the UK, they are finding the long haulers have a strong correlation to anxiety/depression suggesting that it may be mostly psychological stress from the illness. The caveat was that study was smallish and therefore couldn't capture rare events (such as what also has been suggested happens with the COVID vaccine) and didn't examine serious life threatening cases for which there might be secondary issues. Out of the CDC, a study which suggested 20% of people have long hauler. The critique was that the cutoff was 1 month, only used serious cases that were tested in the denominator and didn't account for long viral syndrome which takes place in other diseases such as the flu/cold (I myself suffered from long RSV last summer for about 3 months).

 

[watfly]

On the long haulers there were competing studies that were released. Out of the UK, they are finding the long haulers have a strong correlation to anxiety/depression suggesting that it may be mostly psychological stress from the illness. The caveat was that study was smallish and therefore couldn't capture rare events (such as what also has been suggested happens with the COVID vaccine) and didn't examine serious life threatening cases for which there might be secondary issues. Out of the CDC, a study which suggested 20% of people have long hauler. The critique was that the cutoff was 1 month, only used serious cases that were tested in the denominator and didn't account for long viral syndrome which takes place in other diseases such as the flu/cold (I myself suffered from long RSV last summer for about 3 months).

I have a hard time believing that 20% of those infected are long haulers, I guess it really comes down to how it is defined. To me a long hauler is someone that continues to have Covid symptoms months after the infection. It can certainly take those with co-conditions a lot longer to recover from Covid by exacerbating those conditions but I don't see that as having "long haul" Covid. Not that that wouldn't be equally unpleasant.

 

[watfly]

The one thing we do know with certainty is that the policies failed.

-rising inflation
-rising interest rates
- savings wiped out for many
- school closures screwed kids
and the news just keeps getting worse.

And none of policies helped stop the spread. They did however screw everything else up.

100%. The alleged cure was far worse than the disease. The worst part was these results were predictable to a large extent. Unfortunately, fear, emotion, power and politics overcame common sense. Good news is that, except for the die hard partisans, the public is fighting back, particularly parents. Maybe it was the wake up call that some needed. (sorry for using a derivative of "woke")

(Cue the partisans mischaracterizing that I don't care, I'm ignoring or minimizing that $1 million died).

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Your misunderstanding is acceptable in this case. I simply meant, as a whole, overall, you seem to go to great lengths in an attempt to minimize the reality that there is a there there. Unless one has personally been touched by Covid it’s still just an abstract, numbers to be jumbled this way and that to the liking of the user. Aka the risk is not 0, the outcomes are not all manageable and the effects are not all slight . . . but continue on with your clinical dissection of data and numbers. Never mind something that has been a determining factor in so many deaths. I mean heck dude had a underlying issues he was bound to die someday.

My "misunderstanding" Hahaha! I did nothing of the sort. You're attempting to control the narrative and you don't like the facts. What a useless tool.

 

[crush]

Obviously, that's because the vaccine provides very little protection against infection. That's well established by the data and what we're all seeing with our own eyes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in complete denial of the evidence, either out of fear or the desire to still control behavior through mandates.

I think what were seeing in terms of deaths from/with Covid could probably be categorized into 3 groups. 1) those that were killed straight up with Covid which is a minimum of 5% of the deaths, 2) those that Covid contributed to and/or accelerated their death 3) those who died as Covid positive where Covid had nothing to do with their death. Categories 2) and 3) are something less than 95% of all deaths. But as between the breakdown of these two categories we just don't have the data to know at this point.

What's the latest on long haulers?

Setting aside long haulers, we still don't know the long term impact of having been infected, just like we don't know the long term impact of the vaccines. I will say "so far, so good" for both, but we just can't say with any certainty...only time will tell.

Watty, please tell me how many people died from the Flu last two years?